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7 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:
How about Carson Wentz in Philly?
I am begging for someone to convince me that the current Bills roster is just as good, or possibly even better, as the Eagles and Rams rosters were when they moved up for Goff and Wentz, that would justify the Bills making a similar move to #1 or #3 for a QB.
I'll be waiting.
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23 minutes ago, kdiggz said:
Why are you against having a franchise QB? The Rams weren't against it when they went all out for Goff
The Rams also had these guys on their roster at the time they made that trade: Robert Quinn, Aaron Donald, Alec Ogletree, Todd Gurley, Greg Robinson, Rodger Saffold.
So, much like the Eagles, the Rams ALREADY HAD A STRONG ROSTER IN PLACE, meaning that they could afford to make a bold move to go up and take Goff. -
TRADE IT ALL FOR ROSEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Both 1sts, next year's 1st and next year's 2nd and 3rd!!!!! <thick sarcasm>
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17 minutes ago, John from Hemet said:
Robert Quinn would be my target from the Rams.....put him across from Jerry Hughes and let them work.....
I think you mean, "put him across from Jerry Hughes in Madden and let them work," because that's the only way Robert Quinn will ever be a Bill is in a video game.
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Just now, Logic said:
I feel that Austin was misused just about his whole time with the Rams.
He spent much of his career in Jeff Fisher offenses, so that tells you a lot, as well.
To me, he should be used pretty much strictly on jet sweep actions, returns, and screens. See: Tyreek Hill.
He is not, never has been, and never WILL be a true WR. If you treat him as such and use him as I just mentioned instead, I think he can be productive for your offense.When he was eligible for the 2013 Draft, I remember posters on the old Bills Message Board pounding the table and screaming for the Bills to take him with the 8th pick. One poster went so far as to say: "Take Tavon Austin at 8 and then trade back into the 1st for EJ Manuel."
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33 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:
Cancer treatment in the us is dictated by the medical indaustial complex. Its all BS.
You'd be an ideal candidate for a White House job opening; possibly an ambassadorship.
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4 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:
I think there is a good chance LJ winds up in Arizona if he doesn't come off the board before. My ranking of the QB prospects in this class=
1) Josh Rosen
2) Lamar Jackson
3)Baker/Sam (flip a coin)
4) Josh Allen.
They are all first round worthy, and that's where I think they go.
How does Lamar Jackson compare to, say, Ryan Mallett when he declared?
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16 minutes ago, elltrain22 said:
Are you kidding?? Rosen actually gives us a REAL chance not just to win, but win championships! IMHO, he's the best QB prospect to come out for the draft since Luck
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Just now, BuffaloRush said:
But Beane also said on John Murphy Show that he was looking for a QB. It made me think it's a long shot that they would draft Jackson unless he somehow falls. Keep in mind there were many critics about DeShawn Watson a year ago too
AGAIN with the Deshaun Watson crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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1 minute ago, Misterbluesky said:
Isn't that how most of us felt about E.J. and currently feel about Taylor? For the most part..the fans are fed up by that style of play by a qb.
As am I. Yet, there is a very, VERY vocal contingent of fans on here who want Jackson "because Deshaun Watson last year"
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John Murphy: Bills at their own 30 yard line. Lamar Jackson in the shotgun (because that's all he knows) with 3 receivers split wide. Here's the snap. Pressure coming right away up the middle! Lamar Jackson rolls out, he's going to take off! Jackson is at the 35, the 40, looking to get out of bounds and OH! Lamar Jackson got hit low by the safety and he is down and clutching at his knee. This is not looking good for the 21st overall pick right now.
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10 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:
So there's no chance that any FA of any worth would ever come here?
That's clearly not true. It's never been true. What's the purpose in stating literal falsehoods that add nothing to the discussion?
If you were a top free agent at your position, and you wanted a ring, would YOU want to come here? Or, would you rather go to New England, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Jacksonville, Philadelphia, LA Rams or Minnesota?
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1 minute ago, KelsaysLunchbox said:
How bad is your inferiority complex man?
About as bad as Chris Kelsay's pass rushing abilities.
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2 minutes ago, John from Hemet said:
Yeah and we have
Cordy Glenn, Dawkins (OT)
A pretty darn good TE
A beast pass rusher in Hughes
Matt Milano is a stud
Jordan Mathews is ours if we want him.....and we do have Kelvin Benjamin
I think we are in just as good a position to take that dive.......but lets say for a second that our talent didnt match the eagles.....We managed to make the playoffs this last year with far less talent......have money to spend on free agents this year and will have a TON to spend this next offseason.
If you have a franchise QB.....all of a sudden these other positions become far less important because you find new ways to win.
Yes
A pretty darn good TE - A TE who seems to be injured all the time and is NOWHERE NEAR the talent level of Ertz
A beast pass rusher in Hughes - When he's not being double-teamed, which he was for the majority of last season
Matt Milano is a stud - How do you know this? He could be the next Keith Ellison for all we know.
You're right, we do have Kelvin Benjamin...a Kelvin Benjamin with a litany of knee issues. -
1 minute ago, John from Hemet said:
If they do it I wont slam them for it
This is the one move the bills have not tried in order to get this team to the next level. Go all in on a QB.
Rosen is very talented
Go all in on a QB, even with the number of holes throughout this roster at WR, LB, DT and OT?
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16 minutes ago, wagon127 said:
There will be other ways we can fill those positions. There is a gamble every year in the draft. Its almost like a game of poker. And people will decide if we won or lost the draft on April 29th. Of course it will take several years to really decide that. You are assuming that if we traded all that, we would automatically be set up for failure, and essentially waste Josh Rosen's career, like the Sabres are wasting Eichel's. Dan Marino was picked at 27 in 1983. Maybe the Generational talent we want will be there at 21 or 22. We don't know, but all we can do is go with our gut. I'm sorry, but even when we drafted EJ Manual in the first round, we were all very excited to see how he would do. If we draft any Quarterback in the first round this year, its going to be exciting. I'm not going to allow myself to sit there on April 26th pissed because of what you said. This Quarterback we get, will be with us for 4 years at a minimum, and we aren't trading every single 1st and 2nd round pick from those 4 years. The Eagles traded a lot to get Carson Wentz, and they were able to win the super bowl even after he got injured. I thought according to your logic, the Eagles would have tons of holes throughout the rest of the team, after losing other draft picks. The rams still made the playoffs, after trading a lot to get Jared Goff. They were both in the playoffs in those Quarterbacks 2nd year. There are also tons of examples where it doesn't work. Lets watch and find out what happens.
The Eagles didn't have major holes throughout their roster when they traded up for Wentz. They had the following players on their roster when that trade was made: Jason Peters (LT), Lane Johnson (RT), Zach Ertz (TE), Fletcher Cox (DT), Brandon Graham (DE), Jordan Hicks (LB), Jordan Matthews (WR, when healthy, was productive), Nelson Agholor (WR). The point? They had pieces in place and could AFFORD to move up to the 2nd pick for Wentz
The Rams were in a similar situation as the Eagles when they traded up for Goff. Their problem was that Jeff Fisher had no idea what he was doing and McVay and Wade Phillips actually DO KNOW what they're doing. -
17 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
If they don't take their new opportunity to establish a pattern of picking a QB first and foremost, they should all be fired.
So, they should just pick ANY QB, regardless of whether or not that QB is a good fit for the offense that they want to run?
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None, because it's extremely doubtful that either one of them would want to come here, unless you grossly overpaid them and gave them Malik Jackson/Calais Campbell money.
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1 hour ago, kdiggz said:
ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Say they trade up for Rosen by giving the Giants (or Colts) both 2018 1sts and a 2019 1st and 2nd. As the season progresses, it becomes clear that Dawkins is not a franchise LT, as Rosen just keeps taking hit after hit after hit. Beane and McDermott know they have to get a franchise LT to protect their franchise QB. But, guess what? YOU DON'T HAVE A 1ST ROUND PICK IN 2019 TO USE ON A FRANCHISE LT, NOR DO YOU HAVE A 2019 2ND ROUND PICK!
But, you'll probably come back to this with "dude, they still have two 2nd round picks that they can use on an offensive tackle that could take over for Dawkins at LT." The problem with that though, is the top LT prospect in this class is Mike McGlinchey, who's projected to go in the 1st. Every other prospect is considered to be a better fit for guard or RT.
Moreover, this team STILL has a crying need at WR and, if Preston Brown walks and Kyle's future is uncertain, and they can't sign a top LB or DT (ex. Star Lotulelei) in free agency, now you have two more major holes that need to be filled and could be filled with those two 2nd round picks.
Not to worry though. I'm sure this fanbase will be more than content to give away the store for Rosen and use those two 2nd round picks on the 3rd best WR available and a guard/RT prospect and go into training camp with a 3rd round LBer and Jerel Worthy and Adolphus Washington as your starting DTs. -
Just now, elltrain22 said:
Hell yeah!!
You enjoy losing seasons, do you?
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1 minute ago, K-9 said:
DOOMED!!!
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3 minutes ago, KelsaysLunchbox said:
Actually that sounds pretty favorable.
New England? Brady has to slow sometime. What's the atmosphere there going to be next season?
Minnesota? Who is their QB?
Green Bay? Shut Rodgers down last time we played him.
Lions? On the road? Not scared.
Bears? An improved Bears team still not very good.
And if Houston, Tennessee and Jacksonville are potentially losses...that means they are potential wins as well. Spinning things is fun!
New England - doesn't matter what the atmosphere is like. as long as Brady is the QB, it's a loss.
Minnesota - if it's Cousins, combined with that defense, it's a loss.
Green Bay - Rodgers was shut down because we had a dominant defensive line that included a motivated Mario Williams and Marcel Dareus. That game was also won, because Rodgers missed a wide open Jordy Nelson on what would have been a guaranteed 70+ yard TD pass.
Lions - it's a home game and whoever starts at left tackle will have to deal with Ziggy Ansah on the edge. Stafford will also be throwing all over the field to Golden Tate and Marvin Jones - both of them might have career games.
Bears - Trubisky will be more experienced and they still an improving defense -
Just now, BuffaloBillsGospel said:
So you already know the standings for the next 2 seasons with a rookie QB? How about we could possibly go 11-5 or 12-4 with a viable QB? It can be spun in any direction we prefer.
Um, for one thing, we still play in the same division as the Patriots and their QB is this guy named Tom Brady. We're also playing the NFC North next season, that includes games AT Minneapolis and AT Green Bay (2 guaranteed losses) and home games against improved Lions and Bears teams. We're also playing the AFC South, with 3 potential losses against Houston, Tennessee and Jacksonville.
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1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said:
YES...
So, you'd be ok with watching the team possibly go 3-13, or 4-12, just so you can wear a Rosen jersey on Sundays?
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Brownies willing to trade #1
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Perhaps I wasn't clear in my original request. I'm seeing posters saying that the Bills should make a bold move to go all the way up to #1 or #2 for a QB because that's what the Eagles and Rams did. My question, again, is can anyone convince me that the Bills roster, as it stands today, is as strong as the Eagles and Rams rosters were in early 2016, to justify them moving up from 21 to either #1 or #2 to take a QB?