Richard Noggin

More like a tough FF

Ford's performance against WFT is perhaps the worst I've EVER seen from an OG. How many pressures did he surrender? Without looking it up, I want to guess...12? Something historically bad. That being said, he had a couple decent games as well. As a backup OG, he's meh. I'd be willing to guess Mancz is better. But players obviously can, and sometimes do, improve over time. So who knows the future?

Can't invoke Aaron Maybin when criticizing a LATE 1st round reach who could very well end up being a SOLID player. Does anyone else remember how puzzling the Logan Mankins reach was? People reacted similarly to that pick. Very similar vibes here. Terrible relative draft value, but mitigated by real world results (in the case of Mankins; we'll see about Strange). Maybin was both a reach AND a bust. And much higher in the 1st round.

Again, some consistent values at positions of need available in the early rounds.

My mock draft tonight oddly lines up with a couple others upthread (availability of Lloyd and Hall in rds 1 and 2):

Josh SWOLlen, anyone?

You make a great counterpoint here, in that comparing this particular highly-rated, short-armed COLLEGE/DRAFT cornerback prospect to other short-armed PROFESSIONAL NFL cornerbacks doesn't consider amateur context/pedigree, which allows for further consideration of McDuffie's unhandicapped ability. This limited trait of his might reasonably damage his draft value, however. Right or wrong.

Ummm...so this must be a disguised Edmunds-should-be-moved-to-EDGE post, then? Because that's where Ojabo plays. OBVIOUSLY.

I don't think the OP is a troll, strictly. I think he's young and/or hopeful/eager. No cynicism detected. This thread isn't trolling. It's obliviousness. I'm as cruel and unforgiving of ill intentioned discourse as anyone. Sometimes you just have to nod and smile and go on with your life without punching down.

I don't think the percentage strata (or rings) are indicative of YOE, exactly. Otherwise, a merely average RB would be gaining roughly 80% MORE yards than expected on given types of plays, which sounds to me like a VERY above average player. So I think, like RAS, this spider chart is simply offering comparative percentile rankings for RB performance on various categories of situational plays, with 100% being the highest score.

I'm not sure what you're looking at specifically to derive that kind of almost 200% YOE... Looks like the spider chart simply suggests an almost 20% above average YOE on outside runs in 2021. If you're diving in elsewhere, I'm happy to take a look.

And then there's also Gabriel Davis, and Micah Hyde isn't getting any younger, and RB and CB and OG...it never ends. Hitting on a QB is SO essential, but then that just sets in motion a perpetual wheel of good problems to have.

I'd hope the following consideration has been addressed in the impressive 57-page span of this topic, but...scheme fit? I'm not an advocate for 1st round RBs, but...it seems to me that Hall is a nice prospect for the outside zone run scheme the Bills are looking to feature. His strengths line up with what the Bills org wants to do offensively (all the OL coach candidates this time around were outside zone guys, which is what McD wanted to implement early on with effing Rick Dennison...and all those unforgettable, DYNAMIC outside runs with Mike Tolbert), including pass catching acumen. This spider chart highlights Hall's strength as an outside runner (although it also identifies a lot of deficiencies elsewhere, which can be due to factors above his pay grade, of course).

To be fair...he's closer than most TEs to being an actual WR.

I'm definitely no troll (and yes I can see that label was unleashed while quoting someone else, but you did pluralize it). I AM someone who tries to question hyperbole and fallacy. Jordan Poyer is NOT currently holding out. And while it's not unreasonable to argue that a holdout could be on the horizon, that isn't what you did in your post that kicked off this particular sidebar. You are allowed to make fallacious arguments, and I am allowed to call them out. Don't get defensive. I've probably/definitely put forth some poorly supported claims myself.

It's a bit of a journey, but it lands nonetheless.

Karlos Williams says what

I'm sorry...what?

In this thread you've posited that an Achilles tear somehow has a...shorter NFL recovery timetable than an ACL (which is bonkers at least in terms of functional high-end athleticism; that injury means a FULL year before someone is right again, if they ever get it all back). ACLs have become rote. So obviously you're hyper-concerned about the CB depth chart (or want the Bills to draft a different position) and the injury is exacerbating things for you (which is at least a little understandable). But here, in the quoted post, you write that "(FOR WHATEVER REASON) [Tre] waited over two weeks before doing the surgery" (all emphases mine). So now there is something else going on. Now, suddenly, you're ignoring myriad reasonable contexts surrounding significant injuries (such as inflammation (most common complication), infection, conflicting medical opinions, etc.) to, I guess, introduce further doubt about Tre, or the team, or both? Or just to reinforce your own fears (or conflicting draft desires). I don't know. But two weeks between significant injury/trauma and high-stakes surgery is NOT noteworthy.

The football answer to your question depends on the simple answer to THIS question: which ACTUAL player are we talking about? Until we know that, then this discussion is just a way of reshaping old narratives.

I disagree that off-ball LBs still need to be differentiated between ILB and OLB. I know there have historically been differences between their responsibilities, but at this point it really feels like your MLB is just the stouter of your two or three best LBs. The roles/specific LB positions are determined by the traits or talents of the personnel on a given roster. Possibly unrelated: Remember the playoff game against Jacksonville back in 2017/18? Remember Lorenzo effing Alexander essentially playing MLB in that game? At least as a subpackage in short yardage and goal-line. He was a beast at it. He made a handful of old school MLB plays. From OL to IDL and EDGE and eventually SLB...no idea where I'm going with this. I guess he was our best LB by far at that point, and we needed him most in the middle that game, against that offense.

And the part of the defense that was actually working on those pressure plays was the secondary, ironically, in that coverage forced Mahomes to hold onto the ball at least long enough for the pass rushers to beat their blocks and have the opportunity to then throw up all over themselves.

The bolded is easily forgotten based on how the playoff game ended, but for the first three quarters, at least, Mahomes evaded and eluded and really kind of embarrassed Bills pass rushers. So many squandered opportunities to finish plays and drives. The Bills were in such a hole in part because the D-line could NOT close the deal.