Richard Noggin

For me it's both the terrible blaming of his teammates (really bad form for public comments whether it's true or not) AND the complete unwillingness to acknowledge anything the opponent did. The most arrogant QBs I've rooted against, including Marino, Brady, and now (recent entry) Rodgers, go down yelling at their teammates. It's so delightfully reassuring. Not sure if the latter two can course correct as they have in the past, given their expanded hubris. Never count them out, but don't be afraid to enjoy the current drop-off. They're a-holes.

I think this is an important rhetorical reply to the OP. The consistently ELITE performance of the Bills secondary/pass defense since McD's and Frazier's arrivals, including, mostly, but not at all limited to the presence of specific players such as Hyde, Poyer, and White, makes it really difficult to parse out the individual values OF those specific players. The Bills under McD have become this perfect incubator of consistent pass defense, mostly independent of pass rush and run defense. Defensive performance is statistically less predictable YoY than offensive performance. Yet somehow the Bills pass D under McD has been pretty damned consistently awesome. It MUST be some righteous combination of coaching and personnel, pointing most prominently to McD, Frazier, and Butler on the coaching side, and Hyde, Poyer, and White on the personnel side. We've seen other even unlikelier secondary players exceed expectations and grow into solid starters under this regime. Smart money says that NO SINGLE SECONDARY PLAYER IS SINGULARLY INVALUABLE in this defense. But it would be foolish ignore the importance of a foundational guy like Micah Hyde, the FIRST player targeted by McD upon his arrival, who possesses such underrated athleticism and rare savvy and flexibility. Poyer was brought in soon after. These guys were targeted, as was Tre White. All smart, devoted, sneakily athletic talents. Hopefully Damar Hamlin and Dane Jackson continue to show how well fit this same mold. And of course Taron Johnson is unquestionably awesome at this point. So integral to this defense's design.

Joke's on you. Andy Reid has NEVER uttered the words "discipline" OR "accountability." LOL nerd.

One could ask how valuable any of the guys in the secondary are on an individual basis, given what we've seen this season. (I think Hyde is valuable, ftr)

Can you point me in the direction of such rumor(s)? How does this VERY humbling and humiliating trajectory alter the unfortunate inevitability of Tommy in the broadcast booth? I'm forever fascinated by the prospect of such a ruthless, empty vessel attempting to construct an actual personality that other humans will appreciate watching/hearing while they watch football.

I don't enjoy piling on Bills players who might be weak links. Especially players who obviously possess physical traits that suggest potential, combined with flashes of actual production...but McKenzie is straining even the most forgiving analyses. He has a demonstrable problem with consistent execution. He makes too many costly mistakes on the field when compared to his positive contributions. How is that debatable? (And I really wish the guy would show out like he did against Miami 2 years ago and New England last year. But it has to be noted that those are the only glimpses we can really point to, despite his increased snap count to date in 2022.)

Just build the damned OL the way they've been trying to build the DL. That's the next ESSENTIAL phase of Bills roster building. Been neglected too long. Extend JA17's career.

The rule is flawed, for sure, but the progress on display is at least very positive: the league's coaching staffs FINALLY (incrementally) more closely representing the diversity of its players.

The quote: "Source tells me their sources have told them sources have confirmed" HAS to be satire, innit?

This is amazing.

Underrated point in this thread: San Fran is the most interesting destination for CMC from the perspective of a neutral NFL fan. Excited to see Shanahan's plans for him.

Recalling, during the 2017 season, the rookie GM Beane openly "hoping" for college prospect JA17 to have a "down" final year so his draft stock remained realistically acquire-able outside the impenetrable top-5 in a QB-rich draft class. Problem is, I can't recall if Beane informally shared this prescient gem in-person at Tempo to a guest plus us non-media workers, or if this confessional intel was uttered above-board via interview. 100% I remember him openly/"sarcastically" hoping that Allen kid/QB at Wyoming had a disappointing season so his draft value didn't elevate beyond their reach. Because I cannot find it online, and I have a clear memory of this humorous-but-honest quote being uttered between tables 2 and 5 as Beane was leaving, I'm forced to feel like i was privvy to his playful, but prescient admission: "Hope that Josh Allen kid at Wyoming has a bad senior season."

I'm afraid many of the posters in this thread are judging the Chiefs fanbase primarily off of that message board. That's so obviously misguided, yet here we are as message board contributors, over-valuing this online space. In real life, from what I've heard from so many, and from a few in this thread, is that the Chiefs fanbase is generally VERY respectful to visiting fans. This is NOT the case everywhere in the NFL (including Buffalo at times, although I'd argue we've handled recent success reasonably well in this regard). Social media forums are so easily sullied by a toxic minority of contributors. This is why vigilant moderation is so essential to healthy discourse. Makes me appreciate the work of those who help to keep this forum a respectful and rewarding space for sharing.

The best touchdown celebrations of all time belong to Steve Smith, IMHO. And this video isn't half bad, either. LOVE the access to even a fraction of what ELITE training and treatment facilities and professionals are like. And of course a little bit of McD's sincere kool-aid at the end for good measure.

The Jets and the Dolphins are relatively stacked with highly drafted/acquired players throughout their rosters. The main difference is the Dolphins feature some more established, well-paid players who have dramatically outplayed their respective draft positions. Either way, both teams are capable of making life difficult for any opponent. The drought-era Bills, on the other hand, perpetually fielded a lineup of PUZZLINGLY OVER-DRAFTED Day One players who underperformed or outright busted, one or two high profile, overpaid assets, and a motley depth chart of plucky but outclassed (often undersized) JAGs. They were mostly mediocre, and almost never dangerous.

Your first point is an important one. There were so many injuries at one point, especially on defense, that it clearly wasn't the Jimmies and the Joes. The secondary, especially, minus maybe one play down in the Miami debacle, has played very well despite at times missing ALL FOUR STARTERS at boundary CB and S. I know the front is stacked this year, but they also were missing 3 out of 4 DTs as well. It's gotta be that Frazier and McDermott (and the staff they've assembled) are ELITE coaches, especially with respect to teaching and developing. The depth guys have been ready and able to execute their assignments. This might also suggest our personnel dept does a great job bringing in the right players for these coaches to work with. It's often difficult, in football, to isolate proper credit/accountability. SO many layers of variables. Why I love the sport so much. The interconnected complexity is like a societal or at least organizational microcosm played out in clearly quantifiable contests. (As to your second point, I thought Milano was actually a bit terrible (for him) in the first half: often and surprisingly a step behind, slow, or out of place. Seemed like the Chiefs targeted him as the conflict defender on multiple occasions, and got the best of him. He DID turn it around as the game went on.)

To be fair, Daboll is elite at the interpersonal component of coaching. He values the human element of the game more than some, without being a pushover. Which when combined with game-planning acumen and overall aptitude, sounds like the makeup of a solid head coach. I don't know enough about Dorsey, beyond his demonstrable and oft-cited competitiveness, to have an opinion on his capacity for being the head guy.

Yeah, but knowing me, I'd throw away his post-its or pretend I didn't see him pointing to some obviously correct red flags.

Because it's legal now? I mean, rules get revised and updated and hopefully streamlined all the time. So what rules USED TO BE has very little bearing on what they ARE. I feel like catches, for example, aren't the effing counter-intuitive nightmare they used to be.

I'm watching the Yankees try to stay alive.

Well then eff me I guess? I'm okay with being wrong. It's okay. I'm fine with it. Okay?!

Would HAVE blown them out, tbh

Right. But the post I was responding to seemed to welcome the "outing" of everything while ALSO sticking it to those wishing to "cancel" Snyder. But it seems like the only way things go nuclear is IF Dan Snyder is removed from NFL ownership...so there's an inherent contradiction (as you may well recognize)

I've heard from multiple Bills fans who have attended the recent games in KC that their fans, in person, are generally respectful and welcoming. Which, unsurprisingly, appears to stand in stark contrast to the online hoards. Imagine that.

This past week saw some RPO success, whereas, to my eye at least, earlier in the season it wasn't being run as effectively. We also saw the Bills incorporating more Pin-n-Pull run concepts, which has me wondering if Dorsey is moving towards marrying RPOs with gap/power running concepts, whereas, to my eye at least, earlier in the season he was hoping to marry play-action with wide zone running concepts? I know that ideally each week is its own challenge which inspires its own solutions, but we saw what happened late last year when the offense shifted its blocking concepts in the same direction we've just begun to see already this year. Hopefully it's a trend in the direction of self-efficacy.