Richard Noggin

I see what you did there. This time of year, in a couple years, could in fact find the Bills OL scattered across the country, depending on OTA schedules.

No way Brady participates without final edit approval baked in. That guy is NOT a "good sport" when it comes to humor/criticism. The tone and tenor will be celebratory of his accomplishments but a little critical of Brady's hyper-competitiveness. They probably won't even mention his scandals (except in passing absurdity) or pseudo-scientific/nonsense TB12 brand.

I wish you were right. Would be a better world. But I fear "very many people...feel as though they know better" than whomever disagrees with them. In general. This board is better than most forums, to be clear. I think fans generally wanted a speedy deep threat WR (because we don't really have that threat on the roster), and would have LOVED if we traded with KC and they took Coleman...and ultimately we took Worthy. Was even getting to the point where Worthy was the guy I wanted the Bills to draft above all others, and thought he'd be gone by 28. (Conversely, I definitely also shared some posts here the past few months proclaiming my counterintuitive optimism for Keon Coleman's prospects, given his combine gauntlet and best-in-class hands. Earlier in the winter, I was definitely concerned with Coleman's contested catch rate, lumping him in with the likes of Q Johnson and N'Keal Harry. It's been a journey.) Is the color-coding on these route graphics inconsistent? Slant and Screen routes, for example, are mis-colored on both infographics, according to their own internal logic.

LOL my 72-year old mother gave up such dreams a LONG time ago

Stay right where you are. McBeane's scouts are on their way. Don't panic. This is the big break you've been working for all these years.

We've seen this before lol (immediately thinking Kelvin Benjamin and Karlos Williams, both FSU, comps) Fortunately, there is NO way Coleman follows in Benjamin's heavy footsteps. Just wondering where @Not at the table Karlos is? It's just sitting there on a tee.

In some circles, this is fightin' words. In others, it's high praise.

Sounds to me like the Bills (and probably NFL teams in general) are waiting on Hyde's decision to either seek another NFL contract or hang 'em up for good. Beane said all but the retirement part out loud recently. He said the Bills do not yet know/are waiting to hear what Hyde has decided. WHAT Hyde is deciding on exactly, I guess, could be whether to agree to whatever modest contract number the Bills have proposed, if they've even gotten that far with his agent, versus continuing to seek more money and/or term elsewhere...but I strongly suspect it's more existential than that at this stage. My read is, like you @billsfan89, that Hyde is considering retirement...and also that the Bills would 100% welcome him back at a modest number for one more run if he decides to suit it up again in 2024. Kind of a no brainer for the team, but all contingent on the player.

Edit: I'll leave my initial question intact below so you can all laugh at me. Turns out Coleman only participated in positional drills at his pro day. Guess it isn't some grand conspiracy. "Who has Coleman's faster pro day 40 time? For some reason I can't find it. Big tech colluding to keep us Bills fans divided over reductive data points." Derp.

"I don't have a life outside of football." -actual quote from our new WR. Love to see it. Josh's new little brother. We both keyed on that same quote, of course, but that whole stretch of the interview is REALLY refreshing to hear from a fairly highly drafted NFL WR. His vision for QB<>WR chemistry is so pure, so idyllic. Hope Josh is willing to grind with him on that film stuff. Would love it if all the targets and the QBs had an easier time coming together as a tribe in 2024. Allen has a clearer path to leadership this season. I hope he really goes for it.

Is this a football-related post, or...?

Why is Shakir having to elevate to #2 when the Bills also signed Samuel? And why are those WR #s so important, but also so impossible to define? Curtis Samuel is almost the same exact size as Stefon Diggs (but thicker), definitely faster, less productive down the field but more productive in the short and intermediate zones where Brady seems to want to operate, higher draft pick/higher perceived pedigree initially but at a lower tier of production to date, and is 4 years younger...so why isn't he a great idea for this offense? Like a MUCH cheaper but not super substantively-lesser replacement.

Allen has already QB'd offenses where Cole Beasley, John Brown, Stefon Diggs, and Robert Foster (separately) had career years. Of course Gabe Davis had career games, but never really a top flight season. I think the QB can obviously work with a variety of skillsets. Imagine him with improved talent like he has in 2024? (That's right, the overall talent with Coleman, Samuel, Shakir, Kincaid, Knox, Hollins, and Shorter is an actual improvement to past years.)

This deserves a noisy LFG because Solomon has legitimate traits and legitimate production from a small school that has already produced legitimate pass rushers.

Just hope this likeable, 20 year-old innocent doesn't take Reed's advice on anything OUTSIDE the scope of football lol. Reed was a dawg on the field, and I'd like guys to have access to Former Buffalo Alphas like Reed and Moulds. Reed was eventually effing AWESOME every other year, oddly, just like Moulds was. But it was SUCH a different league. I mean, look at Reed's career 59.6% catch percentage! Gold jacket! That alternating YoY success is a curious phenomenon for the franchise's first two best WRs. Stevie Johnson of all people broke that pattern, and then of course Diggs set a new paradigm in a new era. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReedAn00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoulEr00.htm (Love that Shakir is intentionally letting Eric Moulds wear him out on the field this offseason. That's where I want these guys tapping into Bills legends. On the field.) Beane's comments about Coleman being "Buffalo" (anticipating how much fans will embrace him here) are intentionally the same way he framed Josh Allen for us. And I gotta be honest: he's not wrong. The kid is likeable. Can't tell you how many acquaintances who know how problematic my Bills thing is have reached out to say that Coleman is so grounded/likeable in his press conference (and usually also include how they think his little lisp is endearing fwiw).

Yeah, you sounded right from the jump. Just thought I remembered a quote in there that broadened the advice, or laid out a more general philosophy about advising his draft eligible guys from the South on where they should be not trying to end up.

I think you MIGHT be right with respect to the focus? But WAS it exclusive to QBs, or is that just how they got into it?

Did Dumerville have those freakishly long arms though? Turns out 32.6" versus Solomon at 34"...so advantage our guy. But not at all a terrible comp overall.

Can you say more? It's like an extension of the top recorded speed ever Coleman recorded in the combine gauntlet; although apparently someone posted here that he never hit 20mph in a game last season? That seems weird. Would love to know more about the metric you're introducing here. Love that game vs timed speed tension. I've repeated a bunch on here (like anyone cares lol) how much I think that gauntlet showing (eclipsing Nacua's 2nd best ever mph from last year) is NOT nothing. Apparently the Bills agree to some extent.

Page 6 of this thread has been 🔥from you all. Reasonable discussion of his potential for IOL position flex or not. Experience and performance. Short arms. Athleticism. Interesting size/weight comps to other perceived smallish centers. Funny how well we keep things objective on a day three OC versus a day two WR. Makes sense.

That isn't a wild take tbh, especially in light of Coach Prime's very public comments about advising his guys to avoid cold weather teams. Then again, JA17 helps a LOT.

Logs in for five seconds, sees consecutive posters whining and bemoaning Bills lack of action in top half of 4th round, slowly backs away...

Eric Moulds is a compelling comp, but we all know our guy Moulds was functionally more physical and much faster down the sideline than Coleman seems to be. Coleman does have more wiggle and more above-the-rim game, though. Moulds was a lot like AJ Brown, I think, if that makes sense. Just a monster. Not a lot of WRs have historically brought that same kind of brutish alpha physicality AND (deep) nine-route knack. Coleman compares more closely to Tee Higgins to my eye. Measurables for sure (not QUITE as tall), and tape to an extent. I'd actually argue that Coleman is a little shiftier, whereas Higgins played on better offenses and got to show off slightly better top end speed. Mike Williams (the one the Jets recently signed from the Chargers) is another potential comp. Same distinctions seem to apply.

Estime strikes me as a guy with BAD feet. I can't wait to learn more about Troy Franklin's draft profile and why he is a day three pick and not a day two pick. His production was elite, and his advanced stats/analytics are mostly top-5/top-3, and apparently Joe Brady recruited him way back when. And he gets behind boundary DBs. Seems like the exact kind of guy the Bills are lacking. REALLY looking forward to learning more about why the NFL judged him to be a day three pick. Estime's slow footwork and acceleration are huge red flags for me. I have several family members who are Notre Dame alum, and I tend to watch their games. Estime seems like a bad pro projection. I remember upstairs at Tempo watching Doug Whaley, in person, mock Trent Richardson's lethargic, excessive footwork. To my recollection, Whaley was with a newly-acquired Shady and the rest of the RBs, and trying to fit in by pooping on an RB who CLEARLY (to all of them present) just wasn't a legit pro. But it might have been a year or two earlier than that. I remember Shady (when he first arrived) being a snipey prick who cast mucho SHADE (of course). The younger dudes immediately gravitated to him. Shady was a doosh tbh. So I recall Whaley trying, with success, to match that energy and poop on a former 3rd overall pick at RB who just could not play in the league. Estime seems like that to me.