Richard Noggin

3rd in 2023 and 6th in 2024? Sign me up.

Agreed that he has more value in Buffalo for 2023 than in Arizona. Which even further weakens this proposed deal. It's just not a super logical fit except if maybe Oliver simply represents cap hit mitigation and 'Zona is kind of eager to get SOMETHING for Hopkins ASAP. Shrug?

Would need some salary retention by the Cards to make this okay. Creates a significant hole at 3T (Phillips and Settle are pretty underwhelming for such a vital position in a single-gapping 4-3 front); the Bills would HAVE to fill this role in the first couple rounds or maybe post-draft FA? Even if you think Oliver is a bum he is the primary starter at 3T, and is sometimes kind of good. Then again, I'm open to saying EFF THE ROTATIONAL DT DEPTH CHART if it means the Bills passing attack can take yet another important step forward. DHop and Diggs is a pretty legendary duo.

This is an intensely oversimplified best case projection. The NFL doesn't really work like this. Defenses catch up to specific schemes and personnel groupings. It could work occasionally, sure, if there's enough protection AND enough threat of short and intermediate route concepts underneath the deep stuff and/or a solid rushing threat from the same spread concepts to draw defenses down out of deep safety shells.

Isn't the potential knock here that he was a fast guy running like 3 basic routes in a very college offense? Operating within the complex nuances of an NFL offense could involve a serious learning curve. I don't disagree that the Bills probably love the traits, though. Edit: just watched some highlights and well he sure can pick em up and put em down. Seems like a Beane-y WR prospect.

He'll post them TOMORROW lol

Shame washes over me whenever this comes up.

Darn **looks around, suddenly, for purpose**

I'll probably try to watch some of it. Especially the later part of round 1. Are people doing special stuff for it these days?

No way he slides to 27 (IMHO). Unless the pre-draft process uncovered some unreported medical concerns, he's one of the first WRs off the board.

Mingo doesn't fall to the end of the 4th. No way. Would be great, but doesn't make sense.

That's insane.

Are you suggesting that spending a 1st and 2nd round pick PLUS elite starter money (maybe not actually elite starter money for the Jets after all, in 2023 alone at least*) to simply "get better" is wise? You only make this move to try and win a championship while some young, elite roster pieces are affordable enough to allow for it. *a quick review of Rodgers on Spotrac has me wondering if his deal is actually pretty workable for the Jets (not being on the hook for his signing bonus), or if those annual option bonuses still make it financially constraining. I don't know the status of his 2023 option bonus (can be paid/activated from March 17 through week one). Maybe that complicates the otherwise ridiculous ~$15M cap hit?

Of course acquiring Aaron Rodgers is good for the Jets and potentially bad for the Bills. But it's not just the QB's enigmatic persona that introduces risk into the equation; it's also said QB's age, recent health (I know not MUCH there), and late-season (especially post-season) performances. The Jets are spending a 1st next year (if Rodgers is mostly healthy in 2023) and a 2nd this year, PLUS kind of grenading some of their roster/cap mapping to go all in here. I'd actually love to see more on how this move affects their cap, what they need to do to be compliant now and next year, etc. Rodgers doesn't strike me as a guy who would do much to reduce his own cap burden, but I don't know the guy. It's definitely an interesting development.

I think you're going a little above-and-beyond with your hyperbolic characterizations of "this board" in an attempt to do what so many grown men seem to love doing on the internet: trolling against some perceived tribal groupthink because you like to upset anonymous "opponents." You do you, I guess. You're certainly not alone. I find this board to be all over the place, and not riddled with unreasonable homers any more than any other team. I think the team's fraught legacy actually caters to some pretty annoying fatalists, to be honest. But as for Rodgers joining the Jets: OF COURSE it makes them better in the short term. He's been one of the best we've ever seen. And their roster IS dangerous. His ability and dedication entering 2023 is also fair game for debate. Past performance does not guarantee future results (including last year's drop-off). But at his age, Rodgers is at least a candidate for decline.

Fascinating that I first read about your well-established anti-Luck perspective in THIS thread and that I've now seen it for the first time in real time in THIS thread. I have no quarrel with your Luck trutherism; just happy to witness it in action.

Let the Jets draw some fire with this move.

Davis just doesn't catch the ball well enough. It sounds so basic and reductive, but the dude's technique has just fallen apart; fingers pointing AT the ball when he does extend his arms (wtf is that?!) or in opposite directions (like an RB taking a handoff) when he lets the ball get into his body. It's probably correctable, I guess, in the spirit of the growth mindset. But I feel like either Davis or possibly someone else in the room actually defended his "unorthodox" form last season... Either way, Davis has had REALLY bad stretches each of the last two seasons where either he and Josh weren't reading coverages/leverages the same way and/or he just wasn't catching the damn ball. I know he's been dinged and has soldiered through it (I think 100% snaps in that dangerous Miami heat WHILE also hurt). But it's been oddly uneven, and we're probably all still a bit messed up by his meteoric playoff game against KC's single man coverage that didn't yet leverage against his signature in-breaking routes.

Says presumably full grown man on internet fan message board for professional football team in a different division.

WR/TE or, my preference: THE TRENCHES. Gotta invest in both lines. When a team has their franchise QB in place, the focus needs to be protecting him and getting after the other team's guy.

Like I said: "he was probably too deferential to Frazier's expertise and the respect he engendered amongst his players." I would have also preferred McD to intervene more often. Now we get our wish.

Your numbered points that can't be quantified are all VERY debatable with respect to accuracy (1-4) and/or relevance (5). It's all so incredibly complicated and subjective. And even so, I could probably dig up or generate quantified assessments either challenging or supporting each point. What I've bolded in your post speaks to the fundamental flaw here: you're both weighing in on the RB value debate AND discouraging further debate. Kind of all over the place.

Kudos to your nuanced post here. The ability to embrace ambivalence is so essential to reasonable discourse. One question, though: why was McCoy uniquely acting "seemingly our of nowhere...poor taste" in criticizing a person (Kelly) who had previously criticized him? Why wasn't Kelly also classless years prior in his initial criticism of McCoy trying to amplify civil rights?

Do you agree that ALL employers should do the same? Because there are certain professions many people in this country cherish and celebrate that have MUCH higher rates of domestic violence than the norm. It just seems odd to focus on this employer that isn't statistically significant when compared to actually important lines of work.

Because the judicial system is already tasked with punishing REAL LIFE crimes, and so many of those crimes have no tangible impact on the integrity of the NFL product. Gambling is SO different in that it is an explicit part of the collectively bargained contracts under which NFL players are employed, and offenses could actually erode the integrity of the actual product. It's not about morality. It's about labor law/workers' rights.