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There's an ESPN article today on the latest feel-good story, Case Keenum, and what it means about choosing qbs. It's points are : Coaching matters : Comparing the fortunes of Keenum & Golf with old and new coaching Investing money in infrastructure is probably better than throwing money at a prayer of a passer : This is aimed primarily at picking up a qb on the open market, but emphasizes Keenum is succeeding because he's in a situation to succeed. If you're going to take a flier on a quarterback, don't look for the same sort of prototype you're chasing with the first overall pick : Once you're out of the First Round, you need to look beyond your checklist of stud quarterback requirements and consider more intangibles. The idea there aren't 32 good NFL quarterbacks is overstated : Money quote : "Instead of saying that there aren't 32 good quarterbacks to go around, we should be saying that there aren't 32 good situations for quarterbacks at any given time in the NFL" http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21533844/what-learn-star-turn-case-keenum-minnesota-vikings-whether-re-signed-2017-nfl

Three points about this : I still don't get why everyone assumes or wants Taylor to be benched the second the Bills are out of the playoffs. He still will be the best quarterback on the team. He still will give them the best option to win. He still will have earned the starters slot. The old reasoning - to see whether Peterman could preclude the need to draft a quarterback high - is no longer operative. So why bench Taylor with a handful of games left? Isn't that rather petty? What does it tell the locker room, the rest of the league, and the majority of fans? Of course, with some fans the answer is obvious. They'd bench Taylor out of gleeful spite. Highly probable Peterman starts in 2018? Wow. Look, the average lifespan for a Bills' coach and Gm in this millennium is about 2.75 years, and we've already burned through year-one. Discounting the chance it was ownership's call, some combination of coach-coordinator-gm just made the team a nationwide laughing stock - and McDermott looked confused / weaselly / childishly-stubborn in the process. There is NO chance Peterman starts in 2018 unless everyone is certain that decision won't blow-up in their face. And give the ease which Peterman panicked & got flustered, how certain can you ever be on that point? Way back in mid-October, my take on NP was this : Yes, he has a chance to become a starter. But - like Taylor - he fell in the draft for a reason. Like Taylor, he has flaws in his game. Like Taylor, he can overcome those flaws with a great deal of work on his strengths and weakness. But if Taylor had gone in for Flacco his first year, he would have probably flamed-out ages ago. Start Peterman too soon and that's probably the end result. I still think that take is right. Taylor is gone. Of course it makes sense to keep him around in '18 as insurance while the golden boy draftee matures, but that's now unlikely. McBeane will cut him purely to save face. So this will be the result : (1) Rookie, (2) Cheap veteran burnout, (3) Peterman. That could have a Hollywood ending, but given the number of holes to fill on this team, I'd lay odds not. I just was looking at a 4-round mock draft and there wasn't a o-lineman in sight. That alone is a sign of the problems this team faces......

Yep. It's difficult to get this argument, but I've put a great deal of study into the issue, and can explain the intricate & complicated line of thought : (1) If the offense does good, or functions well - Tyrod had nothing to do with it (2) If the offense does poorly, or functions badly - it's Tyrod's fault (3) If the Bills win - Tyrod had nothing to do with it (because "he doesn't win games") (4) If the Bills lose - it's Tyrod's fault. And that just about covers it; you're all caught up......

Isn't that the thinking which gave us Nate vs Chargers?

I never thought there was any great mystery to the decision. Taylor plays well in three games - Bucs, Raiders, and Jets - plays poorly against the Saints, and then was benched. Meanwhile the defense is allowing a league-worse 400 yards of total offense per game over that same span. Explanation? Taylor is a holdover from the former regime and the evidence so far shows McBeane will go the long extra, extra mile to eliminate the past wherever remotely possible. But how was it even possible you ask? Simple again : They thought the System trumps everything : experience, performance, talent, skill. Peterman (they thought) fit their system, so would be a better quarterback automatically. They've made similar decisions before, this one was just more embarrassing and obviously wrong.

Uh huh. And how long have you been peddling the COT thing? Hint : A hell of a lot longer than even the very first mention of "Petermanics" (or "Petermaniacs") I tend to think the collective IQ drops when people get so angry / sour they stop thinking and just gripe / grumble. What do you think of that theory ??

Previous two outing? Taylor played well against the Jets - particularly given he was hammered by the same kind of pass rush which had Peterman throwing interceptions like rice tossed at a wedding. And before you bring up nonsense about "garbage time", Taylor's first half numbers were 11-14, 79% completion, 115 yrds, 8.21 ypa, and a TD pass. - and no interceptions (fyi). So, to sum up : Taylor played well vs the Buccaneers, Raiders, and Jets - had a bad game against the Saints - and was then benched. Meanwhile, the defense is giving up 400 yards of total offense a game that same period, which is pretty much league worse. Also : If one good thing came from the NP Debacle, it's that suddenly everyone now notices the sorry state of the offensive line. Heck, I bet if you went back and looked at the Jets game now, even you might notice how atrocious it was (though Taylor didn't throw five interceptions which "weren't his fault"). Now suddenly the Petermanics see how often the Bills' offense is way behind the chains by stupid penalties. Suddenly the Petermanics see how limited the receiver group is. Suddenly the Petermanics notice the stale play-calling from the OC. "Peterman certainly was not given any help" ?!? What do you think Taylor has dealt with this entire season?

A few weeks back I thought it was obvious Taylor would stay. Yes, the Bills would draft a first-round QB regardless, but McBeane wouldn't want to stake his development - and their careers - on throwing him in the pool to learn swimming. Taylor is due a pretty reasonable starter's salary in '18, particularly since there is a pay-out needed to cut ties anyway. It made sense, with the only caveat being Peterman - who might look good enough to bide the team over while their golden boy matured. All that still seems legit, and Peterman look less likely now as a trusted fail-safe. But now I feel Taylor is gone. McBeane will dump Taylor as a matter of face. After all, one of the easiest ways to deal with unease over treating someone like dirt is to continue treating them even worse. That way they "earned" the first go-round. Sordid human psychology 101. So it will be Peterman, a veteran burnout, and the shiny-new Number One. It might work out - but it could be a disaster. And if things go south, McBeane could find themselves in a bad way. In this millennium I think Bills' coaches and GMs last about 2.75 years on average.

In the Jets game Taylor was 11-14, 115 yds, 8.21 yds per attempt, and a TD at halftime. Was that all "garbage time" too?

That's a pretty good summary, but I'd add this : The team traded off your primary target, only true number-one receiver and sole deep threat. Taylor made a point of saying his contract renegotiation allowed the team to add weapons. Now, I concede that was largely spin : He wasn't going to get long-term money elsewhere and a short term deal with the Bills set him up to play for a future deal. The team's offense in 2016 had performed reasonably well, and Taylor had to think that was a good foundation to shine this season. Instead, the new OC changes the run / blocking scheme, which (along with injuries) left the running attack a shell of it's former self. And the front office sold off talent in a fire sale, including Watkins - Taylor's main guy. Add weapons? Not a bit. Taylor may well believe he was played for a fool.

Well, there was nothing awesome to say about Taylor in the Saint's game. That's the problem when you're tethered to reality. If only Taylor's critics operated under the same constraint.......

But sample some of the Peterman Defense Posts (PDPs), and you'll quickly see the COTs ain't got nuttin on the COPs. Why, before Sunday I never knew five interception games were commonplace among the NFL greats - virtually a requirement, no less - and a lofted-up duck-of-a-prayer throw doesn't count as an interception if you're facing a meanie rush. Supporters of Taylor can learn a great deal from the COP's brazen devotion.......

And yet if I suggest you're ate up with irrational hate, you claim to be baffled I'd suggest that. Right now, Peterman isn't as good as Taylor. Yet you want to start him. Why? Because you've "moved on", so want to play the worse player? Like I said above : It's a glorified peevish snit, nothing more. You'd be less grumpy if you "moved on" from this seething anger into the bright sunshine of rational thought, ya think? Does your dead grandmother "throw with anticipation"? (chuckle)

First : You're being willfully obtuse. What I stated wasn't an opinion, but a cold-hard fact. No one outside of the insular world of Bills' fandom would see the decision to start Peterman in KC as anything but a pathetic joke. If an outsider wandered into this thread and saw 32.03% of Bills' fans in an (unscientific) poll proposed just that, the laughter would shake the walls. If that outsider heard it's because "Tyrod can't take us to the promised land" - or whatever blather is the day's substitute - he'd see it for what it is : a peevish snit. That isn't me - it's anybody and everybody outside of a certain class of Bills' snowflake. Second : "He didn't win it, he got it because Tyrod failed to produce." And yet you want to start Peterman. How blind do you have to be not to see the irony there?

Hate? Nah; education. It's a gosh-darn big-wide world out there. Take the 31.65% (and climbing) of Bills fans who think Peterman won the starting QB job Sunday : Does it hurt them to learn the rest of Planet Earth thinks their petty weird obsessions are comical and absurd? Not a bit. Just imagine if a fan from one of the other thirty-one teams accidentally wandered on-site. Talk about embarrassing, huh? Consider it an intervention.

Uh..... Yeah. America does indeed love the Peterman Story. Perhaps not in the way you think though.

(1) Why are so many people now saying Taylor should start until the playoffs are out of reach, then be benched? If Taylor has earned the starters role now, isn't it likely he'll still earn it then? Should any other starters lose what they've earned if the Bills reach that point? People used to say the "play Peterman" shtick was because (supposedly) it was an open question whether the Bills would draft a QB. Does anyone think that justification is still valid? What's left to warrant taking the man's job with a few games left in the season? Spite? (2) Looking at what Peterman's apologists have come up with over 6-14-66-5, can anyone imagine their orgasmic rapture if Peterman plays a whole game, throws for 180yds and only two interceptions? I've got a pretty decent imagination but I don't think I can fully get my head around that.

Taylor Hate is such a strange phenomena. Over at Rumblings there's a epic hater named ForeignArrow who does his own All-22 review after every game, grading the quarterback play. He just did the Chargers game (Peterman alone) and graded NP's game as 1.64. I won't even attempt to describe what that number is supposed to mean, but suffice it to say it's over five times better a grade than the same person gave Taylor for the Jet's game. It's as if the red-hot heat of hate has totally fried their brains.

"So 3 of the 5 INTs weren’t exactly Peterman’s fault" Wow. You know. I've been one of Taylor's biggest supporters, but would never in a million years claim the Charger-strip-fumble-TD "wasn't exactly Taylor's fault". Because it was. And I'll bet theRalph didn't cut Taylor any slack about that fumble. Maybe if he just shut down his emotions and considered the facts, he wouldn't use such a laughable double standard. But, who knows? Perhaps he's still light-headed from all the "positive energy" of Peterman's 6-14-66-5 half.......

We Taylor supporters have much to learn from the Cult of Nathan. None of us ever tried tying ourselves into such convoluted knots to excuse the inexcusable. Our Nathanist brethren can teach us a great deal about proper cult-like dedication.........

Remember : Taylor's stats in the 15 games with both Watkins and Woods playing? 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INTs That was with good, not elite talent. The offensive line played better than now, but still had problems with pass protection. Obviously there was an excellent running attack, as opposed to this year's off and on thing. But just think how many Taylor Memes don't stand up looking at those numbers : Needs an elite supporting cast? Nope Checkdown Charlie? Nope. Won't throw to receivers? He did when he had NFL quality targets. Afraid to throw downfield? Are people's memories really that short? Not accurate / can't process at game speed / not a starting QB? The numbers suggest otherwise. With only a little luck, Taylor will find himself on a team a little more talented and a lot less dysfunctional. Don't be surprised if he then performs as per the numbers above.

Uh huh. When you'd rather see the Bills humiliated rather than watch Taylor play? When you want the lesser player to start? When Peterman can't "pass the ball", but who cares? When Peterman is "not the answer", but you're still warm & tingly to see him? When we lose because of Peterman, but that's OK? Exactly how am I to read that? Hate is the only theory which makes sense.

Weird. Just when I think I have at least an understanding of the Hate some Bills' fans have for Taylor - strange a phenomena as it is - there's a new manifestation into whole other realms of bizarre........

"Trump was right" re the Bills isn't even clever trolling. Such a sorry grade of trolls these days.........

Nah, I won't call you crazy. I will - however - suggest you consider how much better Taylor would look with average pass protection and decent-grade targets. Better than Peterman, I'd bet