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The latest example is the downturn w/ Dak. Up to now he's been in quarterback heaven, with a stellar offensive line, good receivers and a great running attack. So people all last year wailed over the Bills passing on him in the draft. But how well would he perform in Buffalo? He's still in a much better situation than Taylor, but looks decidedly more mortal with just some of his supporting cast gone. Another example is Case. You can find any number of posts from people convinced the Bills should sign him - as if his massive improvement could be lifted up from its ideal setting of Minnesota and dropped into place in Buffalo. I'm skeptical that would prove true. Everything here is spot-on, but one caveat : When Taylor had Watkins and Woods to throw to he was much more efficient : A higher completion percentage, more td passes, and over 8yds per attempt. I think there have been two parallel developments : The talent around TT has gotten a lot worse / dysfunctional (ie, running game), but Taylor has gotten a degree better (though not as much as even his supporters would wish). I think the Taylor of '15 would have been much less successful transplanted to the situation of '17 As I understand it (tho I'm notoriously weak on NFL contract stuff), cutting Taylor saves about 9.4 million in cap. But McBeane probably won't stake next season on Peterman and a rookie, which means they'll have to sign a journeyman veteran. That will chew-up 3-4 million of the savings from cutting Taylor - so is it really what's best for the team? The question is probably moot, as McBeane will cut Taylor for no other reason than to justify their recent embarrassing clumsiness.

You see this a lot. The anti-Taylor crowd fuming because no one else in the country (world? solar system? universe?) dislikes Tyrod as much as they do. There's really a simple explanation for this disparity : The rest of the universe sees an above average quarterback - clear upgrade over any recent Bills quarterbacks - who is playing moderately well in an offense drained dry of talent. The rest of the universe sees a mess of an offensive line, a mess of a receiving corps, and a rushing attack as likely as not to be a mess from week to week. Being reasonable people, they remember Taylor regularly making big plays back when he had more to work with. They consider that while judging him now. They see the possibility of upside in a talented third-year starter - particularly given those three years have been cursed with coaching dysfunction, multiple offensive systems, repeated defense collapse, and a revolving door of skill position teammates via trade and injury. It all seems pretty clear & logical, doesn't it? The anti-Taylor crowd finds contempt necessary to keep the fantasy of a dreamboat quarterback pure in their hearts. Anything else would be a betrayal of that perfect image. If a transcendental quarterback floated down from the clouds, they just know problems of offensive line or receivers would be washed away in his blinding white radiance. Any appreciation of Taylor whatsoever fails that glorious vision. Only thru unrelentingly scorn and anger do they dare to be great! Only thru unrelenting scorn and anger do they rise above average! Unrelenting scorn and anger is their sacred moral duty! See? Not a lot of common ground between the two sides. Also : The reason people hype TT instead of NP is because Taylor is a much better quarterback than Peterman. Pretty easy to understand when you try looking at it from that angle......

Speaking of facts, here are two other ones, equally relevant : The most egregious fault in Peterman's start was his response to pressure. Taylor faced an equivalent rush in the Jets game yet threw zero interceptions. Yes, massive improvements to the o-line will better what was seen in the Chargers game, but Peterman will still face pressure. After all, even Dak faces pressure. If Peterman throws up wounded ducks every time someone is in his face, you'll get three interceptions a game, rather than five in a half - but it will still be an issue. "I have to assume that the coaching staff saw enough potential in practices that told them that with protection, Peterman could get the job done." Yeah. And with Minnesota's o-line and weapons, Case Keenum is suddenly an all-pro. With Dallas' o-line and weapons Dak is franchise - until you start whittling away at some of his support, then he looks a bit more human. In the fifteen games when both Watkins & Woods played, Taylor did this : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 ints, so maybe he improves with better support, ya think? You might want to consider the extremely high probability Taylor would outperform Peterman each stage as the supporting cast is improved. Can you really claim any evidence otherwise?

New England ahead 30-0 at halftime over the Bills is a pretty strange wet-dream for a "Bills fan" to have. Of course I can't say I'm entirely surprised. The same poster said he'd prefer not getting in the playoffs this year if it meant starting Taylor the last five games of the season. If I had to guess, Tyrod either keyed his car, kicked his dog, or stole his girl. It's the only explanation which makes any sense.......

Speaking of Lynn, here's a Fun Fact : Everyone knows the Bills were top ten in scoring last year. But take just the average of games with Lynn as OC & Taylor as quarterback, and their scoring rating would have actually been even higher. Tied for fourth - with Green Bay.

Yep; the below has been posted before. But if people weren't so desperate to believe - in their tiny cold hearts - that Taylor is so uniquely bad the horrid quality of receivers he's had is irrelevant, we wouldn't need to post this over and over.... Over two seasons, TT had Watkins and Woods playing together only 15 games. His numbers those games : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INTs

On the other hand, the only think that does work with Brady is getting pressure. It's either that or dousing him with holy water. They say that works with vampires, so it may be worth a shot.....

Uh huh. You might not wanna bet the family farm on your prediction......

Denver is another possibility. But after the NP fiasco, I'm sure teams will just wait for the Bills to cut Taylor. Given the clumsy way McBeane played that, the best they could manage is another Dareus Deal - for a twenty-seventh round draft pick. Of course Taylor is still under contract, but I see this management putting a premium on saving face.

You really can't make this crap up, can you? Some people hold a mass whine-fest over one whiff of a throw - and it was a completion no less. Some goodhearted person decides to help these people out - since it's obvious none of them ever saw another NFL game in their life. This good samaritan patiently explains every Sunday, in every game, every quarterback makes bad throws (plural - in case you didn't notice). He provides multiple examples, just to give these people a chance - at least a chance - of understanding. And the whiner's response? "Ok, so now we’re putting Tyrod on same level as Stafford?" So much for understanding, huh? Really : How can anyone be so dense.........

So Peterman gets another chance to be Peterman because Taylor is Taylor? It's hard to follow that logic. Taylor is better than Peterman, and it's not even close. McDermott / Beane / Dennison took a flyer with Peterman because they thought their "system" trumped skill, experience, talent, and established record. And there ain't much "calculation" behind thinking that weak. Peterman's "quick release" gives the Bills a chance in a "shootout" ? Could you please tell me how you came up with that? From NP's meh college career, maybe? Or perhaps his 50% passing in preseason for 5.4 yards per attempt? I'll grant Peterman demonstrated he can put 30 points on the board. Unfortunately it's for the other team. And that "quick release" you're so hot on? That just delivers the ball to the cornerbacks & safeties that much sooner. The only people unaware of the Bills' abysmal offensive line are people who didn't notice it when Taylor was playing. I wonder why? Yeah. I shouldn't be such a grouch; I know. But I live in a world where people are obsessed with one erratic throw Taylor made yesterday, and it was a completion no less. Meanwhile dead-enders plot the glorious resurrection of gawdforsaken Peterman, which is just pathetic. Personally I doubt he sees the field the remainder of the year. He made McDermott look like a fool, and Bills' coaches cannot afford to look ludicrous. The average career span for a Bill's coach this millennium is about 2.75 years, and the clock is ticking. If McDermott needs another clown show I'm sure he'll just hire one of those Bozos who do kiddie birthday parties.

Uh huh. If you don't measure up, to the bench you go. No excuses, to the bench. Say you played well against the Bucs, Raiders, and Jets - then stank it up against New Orleans? No matter, to the bench you go. Meanwhile : LeSean McCoy has had a 9yd game (Panthers), 21yd game (Broncos), and 25yd game (Jets). I can't say I blame him, but apparently he had an "inability to play better". I don't think those games were his fault, but we're not taking excuses, are we? I know there's no one off the bench remotely as capable, but wouldn't it be "exciting" to waste a game learning the obvious? NEWSFLASH : Benching Taylor for Peterman was colossally stupid. Some combination of Coach / GM / OC thought their precious system would magically make NP the better quarterback, despite talent, experience, established record, and skill. Stupid, right?

Wow. I didn't even know people were out there peddling this trash. Kind of funny how you can put a bowl full of reeking manure in front of some people and they eat it right up - and happily lick their lips after. There's another example over at Bills Zone. A blowhard there is always peddling junk which he says comes from a top-secret source in the Bills' organization. So he claims his (secret) source said this : Tyrod won back the starting job not because of NP's performance, but because Kim Pegula forced McDermott to, because - yes - Taylor is black. It was entertaining - albeit in a rather sordid way - to watch so many posters gobble-up this buffoon's crap - spewing indignant rage in return. The things people take pleasure in, huh?

Uh huh. And years '15 & '16 other teams never caught on the Bills were a run-first team? They never realized how uniquely bad Taylor is passing? Only this year did the light bulb over their heads flash-on and suddenly they realized the Bills depend on McCoy. Well, it's a theory I guess......... Also : You want to prove Taylor is sooooo bad, the fact that he's had an abysmal offense to work-with is irrelevant. But, two problems : (1) However well Cam did or didn't do without this receiver or that, quarterback performance in the NFL regularly rises and falls with the strength of a OBs supporting cast. For every "Cam" (if you can even find more than one), there are countless counter-examples refuting your point. One on ready hand is the current feel-good story of Case Keenum. No doubt he got "a year of film" on the rest of the league - and that's the reason he's been able to up his game so much, right? It's kind of hilarious to see posters here drooling over Keenum coming to the Bills. Switch out Case & Tyrod's situation and I bet Taylor over-performs and Keenum suffers. What do you think? (2) The fact is Taylor has performed very well with good - not elite - talent. Here are the numbers again : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INTs. Unfortunately, injuries restricted his time playing with both Watkins and Woods to fifteen games over two years.

Or let's say Dak was our quarterback. Check out how he's currently affected by a slight drop in talent, even though he's still got a way-better supporting cast than Taylor. Switch situations, Dak & Tyrod, and I wonder what would result? One clue would be to look at the fifteen games these past two seasons when Taylor had both Watkins and Woods playing. The numbers : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INTs Pretty good, huh? The 8.25 number is pretty exceptional even without ...... wait for it ..... YAC !! That was the result the one time Taylor had a true pair of NFL grade receivers to throw to. This year? No number-one (traded away). A bunch of number-twos / slot receivers who have divided their time between being injured and (first half of the season) being a head case. LeSean McCoy is a wonder, but he's running behind a line which resulted in a 9yd game (Panthers), 21yd game (Broncos), 25yd game (Jets), 49yd game (Saints & KC). Speaking of the O-line, I really wonder how Carson or Wentz are going to handle playing behind them in our hypothetical scenario. No doubt their play won't be affected at all, right?

Uh huh. You'd willingly sabotage the Bills' first playoff appearance in 17 years just not to see Taylor play a few more games. Your words : And I may be the only person who doesn't want to go to the playoffs this year if it means playing TT for the remaining games. Supposedly this isn't motivated by spite, but because playing Nate Gawdforsaken Peterman a few games this year (somehow) brings the Bills closer to Super Bowl victory. Is that really the best explanation you've got?

I admit to being amazed about this. Taylor is (at minimum) an average NFL starter. He seems to be a consummate professional, a good teammate, and a class act. How in the world does he inspire such irrational hate ?!?

What made sense was the Bills to draft their number-one draft pick golden boy, and bring back Taylor another year to allow the new qb to mature. Some draftees don't do well when tossed in the swimming pool to learn how to swim. Aside from the high potential for flame-out, there is also the continuity of the team as a winning organization to consider. Next year's Bills team will not be talented; there are too many holes to fill. I just saw a mock-draft of four rounds and the Bills didn't get a single o-linesman. What does that tell you? The offensive line has been atrocious this year and time isn't on it's side. Taylor - if anything - has over-performed with the talent around him. His line is a sieve, his running attack frequently drops out altogether (example :14yds in Carolina), and his receiver group has been among league-worst. Put Peterman or the heartthrob rookie in such a scenario and I bet you'll see more losses. Hell, put Dak in that situation and you'd probably get the same. He's still in a much better situation in Dallas, but look how a talent drop affected him. So keeping Taylor made sense. Per my understanding, cutting him saves nine million and change off the cap, but the Bills would still have to bring in a veteran. So maybe the savings is six-mil after the Bills invest in a veteran burnout. So is cutting him really such a good deal? It's kinda irrelevant, because the clumsy stupidity of McBeane and/or Dennison has made it a moot point. Yeah, it's still the team's call; Taylor is under contract. But after treating him like ****, this bunch will cut him just to save face. To my eye, that's just the kinda guys they are.....

Hilarious. The quote is sitting right over your response but you're too dim-witted to read it "Chimp" indeed, huh? Let's try this : I'll put the quote here below, and give you one more shot at reading comprehension. Ain't I generous? "During the past two seasons Taylor had both Watkins and Woods playing for fifteen games, and the result was exactly as I said. Try a little research, maybe?"

No, I'm not - "chief". During the past two seasons Taylor had both Watkins and Woods playing for fifteen games, and the result was exactly as I said. Try a little research, maybe?

And when he had Woods, Watkins, Clay, and McCoy he completed 63% of his passes for over 8yds an attempt, 27 touchdown passes & 6 interceptions. And added another plus-minus 500 yds rushing. Does that answer your question? Today he played with an offensive line which often imploded, almost nothing from the running game, and this week's assortment of receivers off the scrapheap. And he played well. So the haters whine about ....... wait for it ...... a 14yd completion. Too funny, huh?

Without question. The only problem? Taylor gets the blame when the Bills lose, but no credit whatsoever when they win. It seems strange people can pull that off, but they do. Also : In the Carolina game, the running backs had 14yds total. Taylor was over 80% of the rushing attack, well over 90% of the total offense, and accounted for every single first down. He even might have won the game if an overwhelmed rookie had the slightest bit of ball awareness. But if you insist on blaming one person for the Panthers game, then it's a simple choice : The OC.

First, every single quarterback in the NFL regularly checks off. Every. Single. One. A lot of fans on this board apparently have never watched another NFL game in their lives - at least not with the same eyes. Taylor whiffs on a throw and this board explodes - as if all quarterbacks don't have several bad throws every single game. Taylor misses an open receiver? Try watching another game. Taylor doesn't throw much to the deep middle? Try watching another game. Taylor isn't affected by a lousy offensive line, a carousel of receivers off the scrapheap, a running attack which disappears completely for entire games, or a stale stubborn OC? Watch another game. Or watch the first half of Bills vs Chargers. That will tell you much the same thing. Confession : I never saw the Saints game. I sometimes catch games later, but with that one I just didn't have the heart. So I can't say how Taylor was so bad that day, but will say the narrative built out of that game is pretty absurd. Checkdown Charlie? Before the Saints game Taylor was sixth in the NFL with +20yds pass plays per attempt. In front of him was Goff, Brees, Brady, Cousins, and Watson (not in that order). After Taylor was Russell Wilson and every other quarterback in the NFL. The meme that Taylor doesn't push the ball downfield can only come from people who never watched a Bills' game before New Orleans, much less a game from the past two seasons. When Taylor had Woods and Watson on the field (15 games total), he averaged over 8yds an attempt, which is pretty exceptional in the league. Look : I'm a Taylor supporter, but if you say the Bills can upgrade, I have no argument with you. If you want to dislike him, be my guest. I don't police people who dislike Tyrod; I police stupid.

Really? First, NP wasn't bad, but pretty-much the worst in modern history. There's a difference there if you're willing to open your eyes. Second, Taylor was bad vs New Orleans. But he was good against the Jets, Raiders, and Bucs. He was good against the Jets despite facing the same kind of pass rush which had Peterman throwing an interception every other attempt. Funny how you forgot that......

First, a confession : I have no head whatsoever for NFL contract talk. When people start talking "dead money" and "cap space", I get light headed and have to sit down with my head bowed until the room stops spinning. But this seems to be the clearest formulation : Bills could cut Taylor in 2018–they’d incur over $8 million in dead money, but they would also save $9.4 million in cap space, as well as $16 million in 2018 cash commitments. If I read this right, cutting Taylor gains 9.4 million in cap, from which you sign your Poyer for 3 million. Savings, yes, but I don't think it's as clear cut when you look at it that way.