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Agreed but he sure looks a lot smaller on the screen.

Arizona’s O line makes ours look like the Electric Company. Rosen was grabbing snaps from his shoelaces all night. Took a pretty good beating too. Bradford will be out by Week 2 if he starts. Also, I don’t know what the height and weight on Rosen are but man he looks small, really small. Good looking player when had time.

Never throw punches at Mills. You'd be swinging at air . Everything gets by him!

Don't know, I don't follow the Tide. Maybe for reasons I mentioned above. On his first deep run he had defender beat and caught it. Second deep ball he had his defender toasted. He's got ability, too bad he can't put it together. I wouldn't cut him just yet, he's shown more than Proehl and we're not exactly deep at the position.

It's really too bad because he has shown the ability to create separation and get open. Unfortunately his lackluster effort, hands and not being where he's supposed to be may very well seal his fate.

I've heard of him.

Not trying to take anything away from him but did you walk away thinking his play was much more superior to Josh or Peterman for that matter? He made short, precise throws but my God!, that ATL D was putrid. Every reception was mostly uncontested. Not a DB near the wideouts. His game did seem a bit more polished and I guess that's to be expected. Like you said, at least a couple years.

I'm sorry, I missed the part in my post where I said I didn't want NP to win the starting job. I happen to like NP. We happen to have shared the same chiropractor here in St John's Florida when he went to Bartram. True story although not an impressive one. The chiro used to hype him up all the time to me when the Bills drafted him. If he wins it, great. All I'm saying is we've seen him with the better unit and he's performed admirably. Now how about affording the same courtesy to the guy they signed for 10 mil and the guy they traded up to get. Let him play with the 2nd and 3rd team and see if he plays with the same consistency. Like you say, if he continues to play well it makes the decision easier. It's not Josh I want to see with the 1s, it's AJM. I'd be fine with Josh sitting and coming in later or next year.

100 percent agree. We've already seen NP at his best with the 1s. Let's see AJM with the 1s and Josh with a better offensive unit out there.

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I think it's well known he was a devote follower of whatever religion he worshipped.

Nondescript? You might want to check that 2003 Jets roster. Very good players both O and D. Chad was ok, but he'd be passable in todays league, not rip it up. He doesn't have the arm strength to keep Defenses and DB's honest in what is now a passing league. He'd need a serious run game to mask that arm.

Why not? And if not, who goes? I still think AJM gives them the best chance to win now if they put Josh on the back burner. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PennCh01.htm Nothing spectacular either. But for a back up role, more than good enough.

As good as NP looked last night I was still left with a ho-hum feeling. I can only hope Josh becomes a lot more relevant than Chad P. To me he was the definition of average, Career 66% / 102 TDs, 64 INTs/ 200 yds per game. Sound familiar? It should cause we just got rid of a guy just like him but with running ability. I do agree with you that if Nate can evolve into a CP type clone that would be perfect for our back up position but as a starter, no way. Chad was pretty decent but we didn't draft Josh 7th overall to be decent.

If the guy just had a little more zip in that arm he'd be the starter hands down before Josh is ready. Showed good vision, progression and control of the offense. Unfortunately his arm reminds me of Chad Pennington.

Gun to your head, with what you've seen this past year. Adams or Hyde? Who you got? Be honest.

Only in Cleveland can Dez and OBJ be looked upon as role models.

Fair enough, I just don't see it. Wasn't ignoring your post. The coaches eye will determine who starts, not the fans. I just think at this point he hasn't shown enough.

The man's the ultimate hybrid and can play obviously either position. I was having grandiose visions of our back 3 and you ruined it!!

Gotta do better than that. They'll want next years 1st and maybe a 2020 2nd along with a player like Lawson or even Hughes. And you know what? I'd pay it!!! Mack (Thumper)/ Edmunds (Enforcer)/ Milano (Hawk) . WOW!!! Use the cap space savings for talent on Offense and away we go!!!

Fair or not eball, do you ever recall a QB on this or any other team isolated from the 1's this long into camp and come away with the starter position come opening day? Allens' biggest problem is having 2 serviceable starters in front of him. Not top shelf, but serviceable nonetheless. One of them (NP) being one of "their" guys and the other (AJM) being brought in as insurance in the event they couldn't score the QB they coveted in the draft. The Jets really forced McBeane's hand when they traded up to 3 because it made it conceivable they may not get their guy. And that's on them BTW for thinking they can be cute with their draft ammo not thinking some QB needy team would leap frog them. In a perfect world it would be NP and Allen fighting it out for #1 and #2 while some PS player hold the 3 spot.

I also recall that as well. What I'm trying to say Shaw is that I feel it was never their intention to have him in the running for starter though they said it was open comp. I guess the real question to ask is, up to this point do you believe Allen has been given an actual and fair chance to compete for the starting QB position? Preseason starts Thursday and the season opener is Sept 9th. The starter will most likely be named before the last preseason game on the 30th if not sooner. McD has done some head scratching stuff to this point but I don't think Josh with his body of work so far will merit enough to be the starter come opening day and if he's not the starter then to me by definition he's being brought along slowly. Even if he shows extreme promise in the preseason I don't think it'll be enough to start.

Everyone's ready to take the new toy out for a drive, but even new toys need a break in period. McBeane have a tentative plan in place and it involves bringing Allen along SLOWLY. The fact that he has yet to lead the first team this far in pretty much gives you a clue of their intentions. I know they said early on that it's an open competition but that appears to be BS. Starting a raw project like Allen pretty much assures us a losing season. That would be so unfair to those players and fans who want to continue playoff aspirations after last season and deserve the best QB out there. At this point it doesn't look like Allen, but to be fair he hasn't really had a chance to roll with the 1's. Now if the team craps the bed and come out 0-6 (very possible) then I can see getting the kid some real time experience. But if they come out let's say 4-2, there's no way he sees the field barring injury. And that's a good thing in my eyes at least. This is only my opinion and I obviously have no insider knowledge of what the brain trust plan for the season. Oh, and SCREW BILLICK! He's been defecating on this team ever since he was passed up for HC.

I believe it was a Buffalo reporter named Wes Goforth but not entirely sure.

Marv loved his players to a fault. He was truly a " players coach". This was one of my favorite moments sticking up for Bruce Smith.