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And opportunity... But along these lines, I still remember something Tom Brady said way back when asked about guys like Alex Smith (the 49ers version) and Vince Young. He was talking about how he had this huge advantage because he had been running basically the same system his whole time in the NFL. Practice was about perfection, not learning, for him. He could install stuff from 5 years ago for an opponent if it gave them an advantage in a given week. He also got thrown in the fire early. Had to make reads and play QB because he was slow. Thinks a running QB sometimes struggles at being a QB because they can escape with their legs...it's not that it isn't valuable, just that it can limit your growth if you let it. Sometimes the most physically gifted guys have poor work ethic and/or skills because they never needed them before the NFL

Here's my problem with guys like PBF81...he didn't come up with his "Keon Coleman can't separate" narrative on his own. He read something that someone wrote, who read something that someone else wrote, who all trace back to a single source (Harman) about how how per some metrics Keon Coleman couldn't separate at FSU and he should be a big slot or he will flop in the NFL. Now everyone else is parroting "big slot" based on their "film study", including MB scouts. When questioned, the old fallback is "I do better than NFL front offices, look up my stats!" or "lets review the tape together" Please. You want to review tape together? Instead of telling me when Coleman got separation...PBF81 or any armchair scout, please breakdown the first three plays from the video. Tell me about the offensive concept, the defense, and the WR keys/reads. I want to see if you actually know what you are talking about, or if you are literally just watching for outcomes. That will tell me if you are worth listening to or not. Hypothetical? Fine...everyone has an opinion. But acting like you are a football expert...come on man. Save it for someone that is more gullible

Or the offense we played with Josh as the QB. "McDermott is a control freak" and "Mcdermott loves ball control" And yet, under his tenure they pass a ton and have had a top offense. So either he isn't in control, or he isn't a strict ball control coach.

You know, for a team that has the second most wins in football over the last 5 years...there is A LOT of distrust regarding the FO and coaching staff. I know that stems from a lack of SB victories (or even appearances), but wow. Everyone loved the Von Miller signing until they didn't...now they want to repeat it at WR AND give picks??? You'd think situations like Bernard would temper opinions, but people wiped that egg right off and got right back on the no-name train.

You can't have it both ways...Mcdermott has been the head coach here for 7 seasons, yet his fingerprints are only on the second half of 2023? Ok. Lest we forget Mcdermott fired his original OC to hire Daboll, but of course BD did everything behind Mcdermott's back, right?

This "it's Mcdermott's fault" narrative has to stop. Sean Mcdermott has been the coach here for ALL of Josh Allen's career. He was the head coach when we passed on practically every play. You act like Daboll just didn't listen to him and everyone since is his puppet. That's ridiculous.

Contracts? cough kincaid cough or would you have preferred a receiver with that pick?

Flat out...fans are playing fantasy football. So are draft analysts and talking heads. They look at these players based on a series of numbers and act like they are plug and play. Need I remind you Mike Mayock was a GM for a hot minute...remind me how that went. Most of the "draft experts" on this board formulate their boards based on what they read on the internet, which is in turn probably sourced from somewhere else on the internet, which is sourced form an insider using information from scouts and coaches. Nobody here is just watching a bunch of college football and coming up with their "board" based on what they saw. You're already biased toward industry beliefs before you even start your e v a l.

That was the point...they didn't draft a TE because they had one...The Bills didn't draft receivers high because they had them already.

Clearly the Bills value TE more than the Chiefs...drafted Knox in the third round AND Kincaid in the first. Meanwhile, the Chiefs haven't spent a Day one or two pick on a TE since 2013. Clearly Chiefs think TE is a waste of space on their roster. Did you ever think maybe the Chiefs spent more on receiver the last couple years because they didn't have Diggs and Davis???

Retrospective validation is inherently flawed. It assumes that the only variable is the player, as if they are just plug and play. Example: Twin kickers, identical in every single way...one goes to a dome and the other goes to Buffalo. Who do you has the higher odds of winding up with a better FG%? Things like coaches, teammates, personal life, etc all have impact on how well a guy performs. Using such a simple model as comparing the actual draft to a big board is incredibly simplistic... Everyone likes to say the Bills are lucky because they drafted Josh...as if they had nothing to do with his development. Or that Buffalo wasn't a good fit as a town. Sure, general consensus on a players value can be guided by group think...everyone watches these guys play. But lets be real...most of these big boards are based on what industry guys tell these prognosticators. They talk to scouts and GMs. Their opinion isn't just their own. But it is generic. There is no way to know what a team values or needs better than the team picking.

Something you all seem to be ignoring in this massive complain fest is.... The Bills have been pretty freaking good for most of the time Josh, McD and BB have been here. Like, outside of his rookie season, they have been in the playoffs every year and most seasons they are picking in the late 20's with one of the best records in the league. By that point in the early rounds, you are kind of stuck with what other teams didn't take. Reaching for a WR at that point is silly.

Two things: First, the nice thing about Coleman is his best attribute(s) are related to his natural athleticism. So, while he might not be a focal point at the start of the season, he CAN be useful on the field day 1 playing what I would call the "Gabe Davis" role (ie the X receiver who blocks, runs a limited route tree and uncovers on scramble drills). I think his ball skills compared to Gabe give him a chance to be an upgrade in that role from day 1. Second, I think the Diggs targets are going to Kincaid, Shakir and Samuel (or maybe even Hamler works his way into the rotation). 12 personnel, for example, takes lot of pressure off any outside receiver. Eventually, maybe Coleman becomes a force...but I think just asking him to win in the redzone and on scramble drills, pick up some YAC in the quick pass game, and do a half decent job as a blocker is all he really needs to do to help this offense be efficient.

Side note, that's not blood...it's myoglobin.

To be fair…if you run two TE and they both play on the ball (split or not), the rest of the skill players can line up wherever you want. also, lots of teams line up “slot” receivers on the line against zone and/or off coverage..

Numbers without context…how lazy is that? most of those games were as a rookie behind Sutton and Jeudy. Then he had hamstring issues, a torn ACL, a torn pec and heart issues (likely viral) right around when Hamlin almost died and semi-retired. We are talking skills, here. Did you watch him at Penn State? Or as a rookie in Denver? He is lightning in a bottle. I’m not putting much stock in him breaking out due to his lengthy injury history, but I could easily see him being a Hollywood Brown clone if he can stay healthy.

He’s hardly a JAG…He is incredibly talented, and he might be the fastest guy on the team. That said, his injury history is brutal. If he doesn’t make the team, it’s likely due to medical issues.

Deer. It's a Cajun gravy (like how Italians call pasta sauce gravy). Goolge cajun piquante sauce.

I think they like the guys they drafted/added last year like Shorter, Shavers, Isabella. not for nothing, but if (and it is a big if) Kj Hamler is healthy…he’s way better than anyone we could have drafted in round 3 on.

I don't know how they are going to turn out or anything, but as somebody who lives in Columbus Ohio and watches a lot of Big 10 football, Curtis Samuel and KJ Hamler were two of the most dynamic college football players I have ever seen. Neither of them really had a position so they got drafted lower than their talent dictated, but both are crazy fast (wouldn't be surprised if they are two of the 10 fastest offensive players in the NFL) and make magic happen with the ball in their hands. Our offense COULD be outstanding if one or both of them hits. It's a big if, but not out of the realm of possibility. Nevermind Shakir and Coleman and Kincaid.

I have never really seen this guy play, so all my knowledge is second and third hand... Qualifier aside, one talent evaluator (I think it was lance zierlein) said when he saw him at the senior bowl, he reminded him of a "rolling ball of knives" and that stuck out to me, because the last guy I remember hearing that about was...Kyle Williams. Size, demeanor, playstyle (apparently)...that's who this guy reminds me of. Lets hope that happens.

People keep saying that he doesn't separate on his tape...but how many of those people actually WATCHED his tape. And I don't just mean his targets. If he is running mostly bubble screens and go routes from the X, what exactly do you expect?

Another comp I like is Puka...

Don't forget Puka...pretty much a direct comp on who he could be, especially after I saw Puka play basketball

Two points: first point…the Bills have been one of the most successful teams in the league the last 5 years. They haven’t picked earlier than like 25th since 2019 (Ed Oliver). When you are successful like that, it is hard to land new star players without a little bit of luck. so, instead, you have to do what the Bills have done. Draft a bunch of good but not great guys, trade for some guys, sign some FA and be good top to bottom. There aren’t a lot of teams in the NFL that win every year, and that’s a big reason why. Honestly, I think Beane does a great job base on where we pick. second point…no rookie was really going to make that big a difference outside the top 3. We should all really be hoping that some of the guys on our roster like Kincaid, Samuel, Shakir, Shorter, Hamler, Isabella, etc take steps forward. All of them outside shakir and shorter were picked on day 1 or 2, all of them are under 28 and all of them are pretty fast. As a whole, the WR corps is considerably fast than last season. Coleman, shakir and Samuel might not sound intimidating…but all three of them are WAY better at RAC than what we have had. They also have better hands. side note…Curtis Samuel is one of the best against man in the NFL. As someone from Ohio, dude was incredible in college…maybe one of the best I’ve ever seen. If he had a real position coming out, he could have gone much higher.