Mikey152

I don't know...I kinda think the dude behind the camera is the cringy one. Dude was at the game as a fan, not a player. What other time in your life would you ever walk up to another guy who is twice your size and could murder you and taunt him about his job? Why people think that is ok is beyond me. Then they go on podcasts and talk more crap about the guy. Theyre all losers who should get their butts kicked, IMO.

Without debate? That pick, the literal pick, was used to select Justin Jefferson. If anything, I think that highlights that doing the right thing doesn't necessarily always lead to the best outcomes.

Like the Jets and Bengals? To get "blue chippers" you generally either need to tank your season, tank your cap, or get super lucky. What people are killing Beane for happens to a lot of perennially successful teams. They tried to sign/trade for a few blue chippers like Miller and Diggs to varying degrees of success, but it ultimately blew up in their faces both times and trashed their cap.

There would have been riots if the Bills drafted Laporta in the first or over Kincaid. Or if they drafted a CB. ironically, you named a tackle (they already have two stars they drafted) and two centers. Hardly world beaters and EXACTLY the type of guys you get at the end of the first round. Not elite pass rushers or receivers like this board wants. Those guys are either long gone or lottery tickets.

I think the early round criticism is weak… I get that Elam was a bad pick, but outside of that and the Cordy Glenn pick, who was taken AFTER their pick that was so much better? It’s not like they have a bunch of top 10 or even top 20 misses. We are talking about late 20 picks, here. thieve had two shots in the top 10 (one via trade) and drafted (arguably) our best offensive and defensive players with them

Honestly, they came out of the gate swinging...looked like they just lost a bit of steam at the half. Hard to keep that kind of energy the whole game, especially against an opponent who wasn't backing down from a fight. Luckily they won enough rounds early in the fight to hold on and still win it.

Lamar is an extreme, and because of that there are a wide variety of opinions. Most people will agree he is a great football player, but I think where you get a lot of differing opinions is when you start talking about him as a quarterback. Lamar is not a great thrower of the football by NFL standards. He just isn't. On top of that, he doesn't throw a lot of timing/anticipation passes. Despite that, he had CRAZY passing stats this season because he and Derrick Henry are possibly the best running attack in the history of the NFL, and easily the best this season in a time where most defenses are geared to stop the pass. This leads to lots of heavy boxes and tired defenders, and also leads to teams being afraid to play man and let him scramble all over them. So, a lot of his relative weaknesses don't really get exposed because his strengths prevent teams from exploiting them (most of the time). In the playoffs, it doesn't work as well. Defenses can slow down the run without being complete sieves in the passing game. If they can force him to be even sort of a traditional QB, he gets exposed. It isn't easy, and he is improving from bad to below average as a passer, but he's just never gonna be a great QB in the traditional sense. We will never know if that actually matters, but it is a great experiment. I feel like Jayden Daniels is an even better version, and one day someone will come along who can truly do it all and be unstoppable.

I take these with a grain of salt...these guys don't know the progression or the keys. They are guessing.

He didn't say it like that...Vinovich clearly wasn't scolding him. I think Josh is just a classy guy who put that situation on himself instead of the refs. They will appreciate that.

The problem is, "you" talk about McDermott like he is just the DC. He is the HC. He is in charge of the defense AND the offense AND the special teams. Everyone talks about how great Joe Brady is, but it is McDermott who fired Dorsey in the middle of a season in favor of Brady, and who hired him in the first place. It's also silly to think McDermott has no say on our offensive gameplan, active roster, etc. You guys used to laugh at him when he said complementary football, but look at what the idea of a balanced team has brought. McDermott has had a top offense practically his whole time here in Buffalo, and most here would have you believe the Bills accomplish this almost in spite of him. but the defense? Oh, that's 100% his fault.

Agree 100% on the spots...like a full yard off on several occasions.

I think it’s the assistant coaches… Joe Brady and Bobby Babich are considerably younger and less stuffy than the previous guys. Not sure if that reflects Sean loosening up, or caused him to loosen up, but either way they really seem to have him focusing on being a head coach and motivator these days.

I don’t know what to tell you…no Johnson, no Bernard, Rapp hurt early tackling Henry. The middle of the defense was in rough shape. Bishop, Lewis, Spector, Morrow…yes, they were missing leadership on the backend

The Bills are…well planned. Lots of depth, lots of complimentary pieces. Leads to a good team that’s greater than the sum of its parts. All that said, it probably doesn’t work without a guy like Josh Allen running the show.

You missed the part where when the Bills went to three LB without Milano and Bernard, they got destroyed by the RB passing game to Justice Hill and passes over the middle. Spin it any way you want, but Bernard and Johnson are two of their 5 best defenders, and arguably the two most important leaders. The same reason he was voted most overrated.

We already went over this…Tua was hurt for a significant portion of their season. Last year, He threw for almost 4700 yards and 29TDs with almost 100 less attempts than Burrow had this year and RBs that scored a ton of touchdowns. make any excuses you want, But Burrow played 17 games this year and didn’t make the playoffs. If Tua had been healthy all year, it’s all but a lock they finish with a better record than the Bengals. Its disingenuous to call them garbage and the Bengals basically a playoff team, especially because both times the Bills played the Dolphins Tua was on the field. i am not retconning anything, btw. I am just pointing out that twisting records or statistics to make a player or team look better or worse shouldnt and doesn’t fly. At the end of the day, the only team of any consequence that the Ravens beat was the Bills, and they beat them by abusing the backups in the middle of the field. They also lost to two of the worst teams in the league.

That’s a lot of retcon and one-sided arguing… Take the Bengals for example…how are they much different from a team like the Dolphins? Honestly, they’re really pretty similar, and even finished pretty much the same way. The only difference is the Bengals were bad because they let defensive players walk and the Dolphins were bad this year because their quarterback was hurt (but he played in both games against Buffalo). Just like the 49ers were bad because Mccaffery was hurt (but he played against the Bills). Same with the Texans and Rams who were, you guessed it, healthier for the Bills game. At the start of the season, the Bills had a WAY tougher schedule on paper. Most of the teams that didn’t perform did so due to injury…but they weren’t injured against the Bills. Speaking of injury, why does nobody mention injury when we talk about that first meeting with the Ravens? Bernard and Johnson were both out and Shakir got hurt in that game…and that is exactly what the Ravens targeted. They won’t be able to do that this time around.

I don’t think I agree on the schedule. those 5 games for the Bills were all division winners and included both #1 seeds. They also played both #1 seeds and the final 4 from last season this year. meanwhile, more than half of the ravens games against playoff teams were against wildcard teams…they also lost to the best AND worst teams in the NFL.

To me, that is the real key. Anybody who uses stats to say Lamar is better (or Josh for that matter) is instantly tuned out in my book. I have watched a handful of Ravens games this season, and a bunch more over Lamar's career. There isn't one single time I have EVER thought Lamar Jackson was a better player than Josh Allen...not 1. Heck, there are still some routes he can't reliably complete. He is not a complete quarterback. But, Baltimore does a great job hiding his weaknesses and playing to his strengths most of the time, so he is productive and they win a lot. Derrick Henry was a stroke of genius. To me, Lamar as MVP is a joke. He's the definition of a system quarterback.

my bad on Ed…I knew I was missing one. And yes, I know it is possible, but chances go way down. And for the record, they HAVE DRAFTED all pros. They drafted Tre White, Matt Milano, and Taron Johnson. Injuries suck.

To be fair, Josh is also the only pick they made in the top 10 of the draft, and most of their first picks are in the 20s. The odds of grabbing elite players goes way down back there. It’s not impossible, but it is more difficult.

McNabb's 2004 season (the year they went to the SB) was his FIFTH probowl season in a row, and objectively very comparable to Josh's 2024 statistically and record wise. He might not have been Josh Allen, but he wasn't exactly a scrub, either.

Nobody is saying it isn’t true…just maybe a bit exaggerated, while in turn minimizing similar indirect contributions of other players. It starts to feel like a narrative. cooper cost a third round pick and his contract is dirt cheap. It was a great deal even if he is just a role player, especially if it is a role that was sorely needed. Where you are getting push back is when you try and spin it as an indictment against the team and the WR situation heading into the season, where they didn’t have a number 1 or any good receivers, because Cooper isn’t fitting your own criteria here in Buffalo. It feels hypocritical. but I get it…it isn’t really about WR at all. It’s about not trusting this team to get it done because they always fail.

This thread is like 200 pages long…subtle debate died long ago. but yes, the hyperbole was strong in that post and intentional. For me, this isn’t about being right or wrong…I couldn’t care less. It’s the negativity. As a wise poster once messages me "I'm not at all convinced that everything is going to work out well, but on the other hand, there's nothing wrong in thinking it should." The reality is, this thread was never really about WR. It’s about trusting (or not trusting) the people at one bills drive. My position is and always will be that one bills drive has a plan and it COULD work, not that it WILL. For whatever reason, there is a sizable number of posters on this message board that just cannot get on that train. I get they are frustrated, but at what point do you take a look in the mirror and realize you’re turning against your own team and fellow fans due to your anger?

This, right here, is the hypocrisy I am talking about. Amari gets TONS of credit for the offenses performance the last 8 weeks ( despite only playing in 6 games). His INDIVIDUAL PRODUCTION (snaps, targets, catches, yards, TDs) doesnt signal #1 receiver on this team, and they sure don’t signal # 1 we in the NFL. But, you know…he’s Amari Cooper. Hes making a huge difference you just can’t see it in the numbers. He dictates coverage, even when he is on the sideline he is so good. the rest of the receivers, though? Still trash. I mean, look at their numbers! They’re better than Amaris, sure, but that’s only because the whole team covers Cooper when he is on the field and they run the ball when he isn’t (and we all know WR have nothing to do with running the football). Amari Cooper is a good player. I am glad he is on the Bills..but this need to be right in your negativity is compromising your common sense. Regarding your charts from earlier…the offense also got better with Coleman and Kincaid out of the lineup. Do they make us worse? Or maybe, just maybe…it’s more complicated than a single variable.