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This is a great time to remind everyone that Jimmy Johnson basically did what equated to this in 1989. He used the 1st overall pick on Troy Aikman. What people forget or don't even know, is that he also used a pick in the supplemental draft to select Steve Walsh. By doing so, the Cowboys gave up their 1st round pick in 1990. If you search around some, you can find Johnson talking about how important it was to get that QB....and he was willing to burn up two 1st round picks to make sure he had at least 1. He understood, that if you didn't have a QB, then your first job was to find one...and not stop trying to find one until you were sure you had one. It was important in 1989, and it's even more important now.

by your line of thinking then, anyone who pays someone to play football is now criminally negligent. Clearly it's a dangerous game, but people will watch it and those who participate at the highest level can make a lot of money. This isn't as hard as it's made out to be. Everyone can agree it's dangerous and there are risks. The NFL should just agree to part with some cash and set up a pension/care fund for dudes because chances are they will need it later on...separate from the fat paychecks. Then we can get back to watching big fast dudes smash each other and run fast.

I prefer to see an NFL kick off. However, I do understand there is a stat somwhere that says something like injuries are 5 or 6 times more likely on that play than any other regular play. (that makes sense...lots of guys running full speed and colliding) So, my thoughts on this. I understand that there are way fewer returns now since they have moved the ball up and most kicks sail deep into, or through the end zone. A kicking team still has the option to onside kick, squib kick, kick short on purpose daring the other team to try a return, etc. On the flip side....you may be down a score late in a game and instead of kneeling at the back of the end zone, you may opt to bring that out hoping for a great return. LEAVE THE OPTION to the teams how they want to handle kicking and returning kicks. The onside kick is a an exciting play, the return is an exciting play. the term "Kickoff" is specific to this sport and is a transcendant term...we have "kickoffs" for all sorts of things besides football. 2nd point. NFL football is enjoyable because we are watching modern day gladiators. We marvel at the size, speed, toughness, and strategy of the game...and by it's nature, as has been mentioned, is dangerous. Instead of having all these changes to rules etc....keep improving the helmets etc...that's great...but have every NFL contract contain a clause in it about how the sport is dangerous and perhaps remind the players that while they are playing a dangerous sport and many of them may suffer later in life, they can make a ton of money to take those risks. I don't play NFL football because I am short and slow and fat. But if I could run a 4.2 and throw a ball 70 yards etc...and someone offered me life changing money....there is a 99.9 percent chance I will accept those risks and play football. I would suppose 99 percdent of those playing now would continue to as well.

I have two tickets and only planning to use one for myself.....interested?

I continue to maintain that NO ONE can get to 1, 2 or 3 now. The teams that are there are using the picks they have on QB. The jockeying will be for the 4th QB and the action will be around pick 9. Mayfield will be a Jet. Darnold to Browns. Rosen to Giants. I think the Bills (make a mistake) and go up to 9 for Allen. I think the Patriots go up to 14 for Rudolph. Arizona gets left in the dust in round 1. Chargers go Lamar Jackson....I had been thinking Saints, but the Chargers need rivers replacement. Jackson can sit....he will generate buzz for a team that needs to have buzz to sell some tickets to the new stadium.

Maryland Bills Fan......Stan Humphries led the San Diego Chargers to a Super Bowl once. .....There is a list of OK QB's who were on a team that had ONE magical season where all the free agent signings worked out, where the drafts had been good for two or three years in a row, and the ball bounced the right way a few times, and they made the super bowl. There is an incredibly long list of guys like Matt Cassel who mustered all the skill and talent that was in them and barely led a team to the playoffs a few times...and were never close and were never going to be close. You are completely missing the point of the concept of the "franchise QB." If you attempt to assemble a great roster, as you propose, without the "Franchise" QB in place, you MIGHT have a few years of really good drafts, you sign free agents that work out, and then MAYBE....if it all comes together ONCE, you might maybe win a super bowl. Teams without a great QB have gone down this road many times. It isn't impossible..it just isn't likely that ALL of those things come together all at the same time, and if it happens....it only happens ONCE if at all. Not likely to begin with...and it's a one shot thing if it happens. (once every 10-15 years) When you have the "Franchise QB" in place, you may have a bad season due to injuries, or tough luck, etc...but EVERY YEAR, you are a threat to win and compete. With the QB in place your other players will perform better because the man with the ball is making better choices...He can throw a target open as oposed to having to rely on the target to become wide open before throwing. .more catches, better audibles, more TOP, more points...this translates to the D...less time on the field...playing with a lead more often...and when you have "holes" on the roster, they aren't as big a deal because as long as you have the QB, you are competing for TITLES.

Browns. Drafting a QB. Giants. They have Eli Manning. He is old and been in decline. They may well draft a QB. They have the 2nd pick because Manning isn't very good now, and he can't carry that roster. Jets. Have come to their senses and are going up to 3 for a QB. Texans. ??? They didn't have Watson most of the year. He was a rookie. They lost a lot of games. .....you don't have a point here. Broncos don't have a "committee of 3" They have ONE guy who is paid like a starter. Has been named the starter...and is going to be the starter. Undisputed. On a team who have coaches that have publicly been given THIS YEAR. They are pick high because LAST YEAR, they had Trevor Simien. He isn't very good. They signed Keenum hoping that he is an improvement....again....if your question is to ask why these teams are up high....the answer is going to keep coming back to 1. They have no QB, or 2. The record is bad because the QB they do have was hurt or wasn't on the team last year....but let's keep going.... COLTS....Luck didn't play....it should be obvious what this guy means to that team. He was out all last year and they got to play all year wtih Jacoby Brissett..... Bucs. They have Winston. He had a bad year...played hurt...and even when healthy...not 100 percent certain he is the man, but they aren't ready to call him a bust yet...he has shown enough to continue. .... Bears...Dude...they drafted Trubisky at 2 last year...he was a rookie...I'm not that impressed with him, but I will even admit his WR corps was bad. If he is just a guy, then this is what happens..you have a bad record and you draft high... 49ers. Couldn't win without Garropolo. couldn't lose with him. I am tottally not getting your point. Oakland. Carr...is their guy. He had a bad year...he has had a good year. Bad year, bad record. new coach etc.... Fish. Tannehill...again...out all of last season.... Translation. EVERY SINGLE TEAM on your list got BAD QB PLAY last year...some had rookies, some had old dudes...some had their guy miss part of or all of the year. the lesson here is a simple one. BAD QB = HARD TO WIN. HARD TO COMPETE. GOOD QB = COMPETE EVERY YEAR. THIS is it. You get the QB when you can. You keep trying until you find him. Chances are you will find him at the top of a draft, but you may find him in another round, in free agency, undrafted. etc. The odds are much lower he will be found there, but the point is, until you have one, you need one, and if you need one, you do what you can to get one. Draft, trade up, whatever it takes.

You have had Matt Cassel as your QB for the past 17 years..but you don't realize it.

This thread is basically what I joined this place for.....this exact same thread exists on KC boards everywhere for the last 2 decades. So many fans always arguing we had "holes to fill" ....You all probably recall that KC was in the playoffs all the damn time from 1990 to about 2006. All we ever did was fill holes. And our organization was actually good at that. Many good drafts and free agent finds to fill out rosters. A long long line of great RB's in that time. Some super offensive lines. Pro Bowl pass rushers, and defensive backs...and always making playoffs......and always losing in the playoffs. Lost to Marino twice. Manning twice. Elway, Roethlisberger twice, JIM KELLY, Luck, Brady......I am not that smart, but it doesn't seem like a coincidence that Elvis Grbac, and Chaz Bono....Damon Huard, Matt Cassel etc would find themselves on the losing team in playoff games vs THOSE GUYS. When you try and make the argument that you can win without a QB, it is worthwhile to look at the teams that pulled it off. The 2000 Ravens being an example...had great drafts for 3 years or so in a row (very hard to do and very unlikely) and added some great free agent pieces to that team (Shannon Sharpe, Rod Woodson) ...and got game manager play out of Dilfer....AND everything fell just right for ONE SEASON. If you want to use all your draft picks to fill holes and try and duplicate the 2000 ravens..knock yourselves out. Kansas City tried it for decades that way, and even when you are reasonably successful at roster building...you have NOTHING wihtout a QB...you have a lottery ticket hoping that ONE season you were the ultimate roster building badass and everything comes together ONE time for that trophy. GOOD LUCK! Expanding on my point. KC went 13-3 with Steve Bono, they switched out to Elvis Grbac and went 13-3 a couple seasons later. They switched out to Trent Green and went 13-3 again a couple more seasons later. That was all sandwiched in between a bunch of 11-5, 10-6, 12-4 ETC. You give me a roster with the best 52 NON QB in football and I can go 13-3 several times. You give me Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady...an in his prime Jim Kelly...and I will find 52 football players to fill out my roster and win championships.

Mostly to do with the 5 in top 15, and the possibility that there could be 7 taken in round one if someone gets desparate that misses out. I probably over did it a little with the title.

I live in Ft. Worth, Texas and they are doing a lottery down here for tickets....but that isn't how I got mine. I am a Chiefs season ticket holder and I won two ticket to the Chiefs draft party down here, and attend day 1 of the draft through them.

The 2018 Draft is going to be the draft that surpasses the famed QB class of 1983. 5 QB in the top 15 picks. More and more front offices have come to the realization that QB is more important now than it's ever been. ***YES, you can win a super bowl with a mediocre game manager, but your window is ONE season in wich you hit on a ton of your draft picks, your FA signings pan out better than expected and everything falls your way for ONE SEASON*** With so many teams in need, combined with an anticipated GARBAGE QB class in 2019, we are looking at 6 or maybe 7 possibly going in round 1. It is crazy. I continue to maintain the following as I have now for the past couple months: 1. Cleveland. Darnold. I simply refuse to blieve they are taking Jeff Allen at 1. The games I have seen suggest the kid is not accurate enough. They may see him as another Big Ben, but Ben completed 63% as a freshman, and 69% as a junior, his final season at Miami of O. HE was accurate to begin with and got better while he was there....this simply isn't Josh Allen....I would run away as fast as I could from that guy...I think Clevelands brain trust understands Darnold is the superior prospect despite Allens impressive workouts. 2. NY Giants. Rosen. ....So, the Bills, Patriots, Broncos, Jets, etc...are expected to offer a bounty for the 2nd pick to take the QB here. If the Giants had the 12th and 22nd picks.....and having Eli on his last legs....would they not want to offer that to two in order to get Rosen? I can't stress enough....2019 class is garbage. Eli is just about done. They can't possibly know where they would pick next year in a bad year for QBs...and by then they are really going to NEED one. The MOST VALUE they can attain from the no.2 pick is to use it themselves, ensuring their future with Rosen. Also....the Saquon Barkley talk is rediculous....if nothing else, this is a DEEP RB draft.....a very good one will be there later if that is what they think they need. Consider also, just having more picks doesn't mean you get day one contributors or stars.....Rosen is the pick here...not a trade out. 3. NY Jets. Mayfield. The GM and Coach need to WIN NOW with the new QB playing early and often. Their jobs depend on this.. Mayfield....can't stress it enough. improved every year. High completion pct. TONS AND TONS AND TONS of college reps. Ready to go right now...he is flamboyant..he is a name....they went to 3 for Mayfield. 4. Cleveland gets the first NON QB player of their choice. It won't be Barkley. 5. Denver. They want the guard from Notre Dame....might consider a trade down, but need a partner that won't take them off of that guard. is the 4th QB in this draft worth coming up to 5 for? Denver is NOT taking a QB here. The coaches have publicly been given THIS YEAR. The team kept the WR duo, and most of the d remains in tact. The line is awful. The guard starts today. They signed Keenan to starter money to START. they are trying to win while the window is open, and the coaching staff in place is NOT the group who will be around for their next high draft pick at QB. They aren't going to develop a guy if drafted at 5. This staff lives or dies with Keenum now. 6. Colts. Great place for a top 3 NON QB. I say Chubb is the pick. 7. Tampa. Saquon Barkley. They have some other really nice offensive pieces...this is the missing piece for this team. 8. Bears. Offense is set. They have holes to fill, and pass rusher is a huge need. They dont' trade out and take Marcus Davenport UTSA. 9. 49ers.....here is where it's at for the Bills, Pats, Chargers, Cardinals.....maybe even Steelers. SF will be willing to accumulate some picks here to move out. Who wants Allen? Rudolph? Jackson? The problem with this draft and these circumstances is that Buffalo has to get someone....(YES, they HAVE TO!) The problem is, no one at the top 3 is going to budge, and then you are going to be considering an expensive trade to 9 or so, for the FOURTH QB of this draft....and if the Bills don't make it, someone will. This is as good as it's going to get Bills fans.....you move up to 9 and it's for.....ALLEN. The fun isn't over....because picks 10-14 then become teams that don't need QB...and Arizona, the Chargers and the Patriots ...and maybe Steelers will be looking at Rudolph. ....I had predicted in past posts this would be the Chargers moving up ahead of the Cards for Rudolph...but now I think the Pats go up to any of 10-14 to take Rudolph. Arizona PASSES on Jackson...and he goes tumbling down to the Saints. Who stand pat and take him. That leaves a final tally of Cleveland - Darnold Giants - Rosen Jets - Mayfield Bills - Allen Patriots - Rudolph Saints - Jackson ....and now would be a great time to troll and remind you all, Mahomes (and Watson) were just sitting there at pick 10 last year. Ask yourself, would you trade Tre White and the 22nd Pick for Watson or Mahomes now? .....or you might ask it another way....would you trade Mahomes or Watson for the 12th and 24th picks in this draft? ....or another way to look at it...would you trade Mahomes or Watson for ANY of the QB in this draft?

I have tickets to attend day 1 in person. Chiefs don't have a day 1 pick (as of now at least) but I can't wait to see how this whole thing goes down...should be alot of manuevering day 1 for QB etc....can't wait to see it live.

...ok. I see your point here.

The Rams need to sell PSL's and season tickets for their new fancy stadium. They need to WIN NOW to generate maximum interest. They do not care about the hole they dig 3 years from now. Full disclosure. I am a Chiefs fan....and I am not completely sure that signing Sammy Watkins for 16 mil per was a good use of funds...but having looked over the film from last season in LA......frankly, McVay did a GREAT job of scheming folks open to help out Goff. The more I watch the film. the worse Goff looked. He either can't or hasn't developed enough (probalby can't) throw a good NFL deep pass. If they use Cooks the same way the tried to use Watson, I don't think Cooks is going to look very good there. Shorter routes are what Goff did well last year executing the offense. ......They didn't "Dump" Garrapolo. His contract was about to expire. The patriots were not going to franchise tag him. Their options were to let him go and get a 3rd round compensatory pick. trade him for something better than that, or try and sign him long term...wich he was surely not going to do there as he understood his market. I would agree the Pats could have gotten more than a 2 for him, but they weren't going to keep him unless Brady retired.

.....not too late to jump on the Mahomes bandwagon. He could have been a Bill, but that doesn't mean you can't still be a fan...

I think strong IQ tests (not the ones you do and share on facebook) are very good at predicting life outcomes and determining all sorts of things...No need to go into all that here....been looking at the Wonderlic....and quite simply, there just isn't a correlation there between a wonderlic score and predicting that a QB will or won't be good. I happen to not like Jackson much as a QB prospect, but that was before I even knew his score, and this score changes nothing about my opinion of him as a prospect. I agree that a QB needs brain power that allows quick read of progression and good understanding of a playbook...but this test I don't think, is a good indicator of a persons brains abilty to process these things....If I were a team....I would probably get alot more out of having a guy sit down and evaluate film and plays....kind of like Grudens QB camp show.

He won't care after that..he has a new stadium that he needs to sell out....LA Loves a winner.

Not Kansas City

Umm... did you happen to notice those Colts “teams” made the playoffs with Peyton Manning, they lose him, and the “team” finished with the worst record in football. They draft Luck, and they are are a playoff team again. Luck gets hurt and they end up with the third pick in the draft. I am not very smart but I think this is what is referred to as a pattern.

This should have been obvious to everyone the minute Keenum signed his contract....don't need the Denver Post to tell you this.... Healthy Andrew Luck has done VERY WELL without a team around him..he makes them all better. That's what a franchise QB does.

No. I think the first 3 will all be QB...then the high end NON QB will go....about pick 9 or so, that's where the action is because those teams don't need QB and they will consider more picks in this deep draft more beneficial than drafting someone at 9, 10, 11, etc....So the Bills, Cards....and maybe Chargers will be looking at what's left in the QB market trying to decide if they need to get in front of each other....so for example...Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield go 1-2-3....(in my estmation) ...Josh Allen, Mason Rudolph and Jackson still on the board...You can't tell me the Bills are cool with McCaron, and the Cards are set with Bradford and Glennon....if ONE of the Bills or Cards...or Chargers...maybe even Pittsburg....takes a liking to one of them..9, 10, 11, all ripe for the picking. I do think the Bills go to 9 to fend off the cards for ALLEN...and the Chargers and Cards manuever for Rudolph...around pick 14,15. So...5 in top 15.

THANK YOU!

It is amazing to me how BLIND some of you want to be to what is happening here. The COLTS took the Jets offer, not because Buffalo could pay MORE but because the Colts only had to move to 6. There are some players way up there that INDY really likes that won't be there at 12. The Colts get the extra picks in a deep draft, and still get at top 3 NON QB. They didn't WANT the Bills package! .....and the other thing that is funny is that everyone just assumes that the 2nd pick can be had if the Bills just meet the asking price.....there is no asking price to be met.....the Jets certainly called about it. If the Giants were in this for a top 3 NON QB, they would have traded out already....They are taking the QB. ....can't stress this enough....hardest thing to find is a high end, franchise type QB. Your odds of getting one are much higher at the top end of a draft. If you think you can get one, you get him. The Giants have the 2nd pick in a year where there are some guys who many think could be that kind of guy. If you are the Giants, you do not know where you will draft next year, and surely your scouting department has told you that the 2019 QB crop is garbage...even if ONE guy emerges...will you be in position to get him? The most value the Giants can get from that pick is to use it this year while they are in position to get their next QB. They even have the unusual luxury of drafting so high but still having a vet QB in place so the new guy can sit if they are so inclinded. The Bills will either sit at 12 or trade up to 9 or so for Josh Allen, or gamble on waiting for Mason Rudolph...but that is a huge risk because Arizona, Pittsburg, and the LA Chargers are lurking...the Chargers are especially dangerous to move up on someone.