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  1. ......I've seen enough of Allen to believe that he offers HOPE still.  You are going to upgrade the roster.  He is going to get an offseason to work on issues.  He DOES have intangibles, can run, leadership etc....  The Broncos Giants drafted Saquon Barkely and the Broncos took Bradley Chubb in the top 5 of the past draft.  BOTH of those guys are very very good football players.  And both the Broncos and the Giants SUCK.  They didn't have a QB, they didn't draft a QB, and now they are facing a 2019 Draft that MIGHT have ONE QB (Haskins) worth going after....if they can even get him.  2020 is a LONG LONG way away.  I would much rather be the Bills heading into 2019 with Allen, the hope that he provides...the idea you are going to load up and try and be great as opposed to the certain dread of facing another season of Case Keenum or Eli Manning...KNOWING there is NO HOPE.  Brady is about done.  You know Tannehill isn't a difference maker....it's the bills and Jets for AFC supremecy for the next 5 years at least.  

     

    There is A LOT to look forward to in 2019.  If you hadn't taken Allen in 2018, you'd be sitting here knowing 19 was going to be a waste of time...no QB to get, etc etc....What the Bills have that so many teams do not heading into 2019 is a chance to be something good and special...the Broncos, Giants, Bucs, Dolphins, Lions, Bengals, Jags....they don't have that.  Dread. Misery.  Despiar.....no hope.  Allen = hope.

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  2. Josh just needs a better Oline, better weaponry, more experience...etc....This could apply to BOTH josh's.  I would say that the Josh who is athletic and can run is better than the Josh that can't.....but if both josh's get a line and some weapons and one Josh is completing 65% or better of his passes an the other Josh is only completing 55% or so....then that Josh will liekly pass the other Josh in the race to see who got the best Josh.  Still hard to say.  I predicted both would be busts...won't really be able to call it until sometime next year at the earliest.

  3. 20 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

     

    Rosen’s personnel is better and he has less wins.

     

    I am not a Rosen guy and have predicted that he will underwhelm.  However, the Cardinals literally have been without ALL five starters on their oline most of the year.  They have a couple guys starting who had been bagging groceries before getting the call.  I’m not sure they have better personnel.

     

    19 hours ago, thurst44 said:

    He's also 4-5 as a rookie with a team that has been favored in 2 out of 14 games, is 4-4 in games he completed, and with a team that is 1-5 when any other QB has played a significant time. 

     

    There's nothing definitive yet, but it's a pretty promising start to a career.

     

    I find it hard not to be excited about the upcoming prospects of a team who overachieved its (admittedly negligible) expectations with an exciting, dynamic young QB, a top defense with most if not all likely returning next year, an abundance of salary cap room and draft picks. 

     

    I continue to believe Allen’s completion pct is a concern, but I am very open to the idea that more time, and an upgraded roster will help.  The debate won’t be decided until next year when the Bills have invested in the roster like the Bears did for Trubisky this past offseason

     

    19 hours ago, eball said:

     

    Actually 4-4 in games he started and finished.  He left in the 3rd Q of the Houston game with the Bills trailing 10-3.  The Bills scored a FG on the drive on which he was injured to make it 10-6, then we know what happened afterwards.  QB wins and losses are solely based upon who started the game so it is what it is, but Allen had the Bills "in position" when he was hurt.

     

    All of that nonsense aside, when you look at the talent around him on offense for Allen to be essentially a .500 QB in his rookie season is impressive (to me).  The "problem" with Josh Allen is that so many people are completely invested in him being a bust because they didn't like his "advanced stats" predictors that they will continue to look for the negatives until he wins an MVP or throws for 40 TDs with an 80% completion percentage.  It's sad.

     

    The “problem” is that the stat predictors all said his completion pct would be low.  His completion pct is low.  It’s THE entire issue around Allen then and it still is.  It’s not as if people are nitpicking this issue.  This is what the concern was coming in.

     

    19 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

    Throwing it 40 yards downfield plus another 30 yards across the field from across his body? Kind of hard to put that on him. Could it have been better? Sure I guess but how many NFL QBs actually get that ball anywhere close?

     

    Mahomes.  ?

     

    If if anyone cares to refute these points, your argument carries more weight when it includes graphic depictions of big.     Glasses.......and voluminous........hair.

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  4. 5 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

     

    I mentioned this in a different thread, but I'll say it again.

     

    When Josh Allen sets his feet and steps into his throws, his passes are usually right on the money.  His misses (and no doubt there are more than what is ideal) are usually due to him rushing, failing to re-set his feet, relying on just his arm to wing it, etc., etc.  The key with making Allen more accurate is not overhauling his throwing motion or footwork.  It's just getting him to be more consistent in doing it right.

     

    This is MUCH DIFFERENT than someone like EJ Manuel, who never displayed good QB mechanics and always seemed to just be throwing the ball in the receiver's "general direction."  My guess is that Manuel never really learned how to be a Quarterback, and just needed too much work by the time he reached the NFL. 

     

     

    ...umm....interesting take on Manual needing "too much work".....when you are in a thread talking about Josh Allen....a guy who by all accounts was ready to go day 1.

  5. 3 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

     

    The only reason you post here is to brag about Mahomes

     

    I've certainly done that here from time to time.  I post on other issues that aren't even QB related as well.  ....I've not hidden the fact I showed up here after the "trade" because I've wanted to keep my finger on the pulse of the Bills fan base AND see how things developed, including the trades and drafting of your QB, Allen, and how that's been going.  I've also put it out there I think Allen isn't going to develop...not that he couldn't, not that he isn't an incredible athelete...I continue to think it's every bit worth while to get him some better weapons this offseason...see if you can upgrade your line...he has talent...I am skeptical about his ability to ever consistantly be an accurate thrower....and that I think it's a very important attribute....but you get this guy the right mix around him and the right kind of offense...he's totally viable....my last several posts here have been about many fans unwillingness to even acknowledge that the kid has an accuracy issue...and it isn't "just" getting better.  .....and you don't need to hear that or anything else from a Chiefs fan...I get it...  But I'm here and I enjoy the conjecture....and unelss someone kicks me out, I'll keep posting my thought on this and other stuff here.

    5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

    I'm not writing off those issues.  I think he'll be similar to Cam Newton in terms of accuracy (between 57 and 61%) throughout his career once we get some better weapons in here with WR's who can get separation and make tough catches.  The scrambling ability and making throws few can make will make us learn to live with his errant throws.

     

    This is a good take.

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  6. Zay Jones had his best game as a Bill with Matt Barkley throwing At him 11 targets, 8 catches.  93 yards and a TD.  On the road at the Jets.  Foster had 103 in that game.  Barkley has SEVEN career starts and had just signed the week before.  It’s one game but Barkley completed 15 of 25, right on his career completion pct of 60%.  His passes were not short.  He averaged over 10 YPA.  That isn’t dink and dunk.  

     

    I continue to be amazed that so many people keep writing off Allen’s accuracy issues to everything but Allen himself.  

     

    By by the way, according to PFF, Allen has more time to throw in the pocket than any QB in the NFL.

     

    Barkley played behind the same line.

     

    Allen is a serious threat to run and make things happen.  He is fast.  He is a gamer.  He is tough.  He has a strong arm.  He can demonstrate all of this on a field and you can measure all of those with stats or the eye test.

     

    He has a well documented, well scouted, well known accuracy issue that you can measure with stats or see with your eyes.

     

    some people don’t like math that doesn’t fit what their blurry vision tells them can’t be true. 

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  7. Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

     

    Well, yeah, but even Buffalo doesn't manage personnel decisions with a motivation "keep NE from getting him" for a low risk, low money investment guy.

    That's crazy talk!  Especially when Denver is 6-6 this year and you think their QB is not good (I think it's more than the QB, but that's me).

     

    Denver has lost a few games they should have won....lost at home to Houston 19-17  HORRIBLE clock managment and play calling in the two minute drill meant they had to try a 63 yard field goal to win....and they had already missed one earlier in that game.....they lost to the Rams by 3.  23-20.  They beat the Chargers.  They beat the Steelers  They run very well, and their defense is fast and physical.  They present matchup problems for teams like the Rams and Chiefs....and Chargers and Steelers...holding all of them to under their scoring averages...you catch them on a day when Keenum actually has a good game and you are done.  Now...having lost Sanders, that may be more than they can overcome...they need everyone healthy and playing at a high level...but when they do...they are a tough out.  The 6-6 is a bit of a mirage.....and also...somehow, the Broncos are one of those odd teams that plays to the competition...the Jets blew them out somehow earlier this year in New York.  ....regardless... If signing KB for chump change, and plopping his fat ass on our bench means he isn't in Denver possibly playing hard and helping them in a time where they need a WR...then GOOD. worth the pocket change it cost.  

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  8. 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

     

    Um no, a simple glance at any statistics don't tell the story.  Sutton has a catch percentage under 50%...47.5%.  Thomas is a good WR, but as you note, they traded him away.  Sanders is also good, but when a team has 1 good WR the best corner is usually assigned to cover him like a blanket.  Sanders and Thomas are also both 31, an age at which most WR sometimes fade.  And now Sanders tore his ACL.  Keenum can't throw to himself.

     

    I'm not saying Minn. wasn't right to move on, but when you have a QB who has proven he can play capably to well given the right conditions and he moves to a new home and struggles, it's absolutely fair to ask whether some of the conditions he previously had are missing. 

     

    I repeat though: why on earth would you hypothesize KC would factor in "keeping him from Denver" in a player personnel move?

     

    Denver is to KC what New England is to Buffalo.  Believe me...the ONLY team in the AFC that the Chiefs don't want to see again this year is the Broncos.  

  9. Just now, JerseyBills said:

    Respect. i didnt  see that post , just reacted to the one and took it out if context. 

    Whats your thoughts on Watkins? 

    And what is wrong with your defense!? I'd actually  enjoy seeing  KC represent the AFC in the SB but that D has to step up. Interested in your take on the problem and potential solution, cause i don't see them getting there unless the D steps up. 

     

    Man your offense is spectacular though 

     

    Let me try and seaparte Watkins from his contract and talk about the two separately.

     

    The contract is HORRIBLE.  KC paid out WR 1 money for the guy KNOWING he would be the 4th option, 3rd option at best on this team.  That's just not smart use of resources.  

     

    The player has been...OK.  He's hurt too much for the money...but when he's played he's been allright...had a few big games.  IF ....IF he were the no.1 option he'd put up some strong numbers...probably not worth the contract even in that scenario...but he's been ok.  If Hill were to miss time Watkins would probably look more valuable to us than he has thus far.  

     

    I haven't seen enough to justify the contract..and frankly, we could have saved that money and spent it elsewhere and signed someone else much cheaper this past off season...in hindsight...I would have liked for us to have kept Albert Wilson (he blew out his ACL so maybe it's better we didn't) ....Anyhow...not worth the money on Watkins....he has been, more or less what people said he is....an intriquing prospect that is hurt often and needs volume to have maximum impact.  He hasn't broken any big plays.

     

    Our Defense .....is interesting in that we are at or very near the top of the NFL in sacks.  Two very good edge rushers in Ford and Houston and a very good D Tackle in Chris Jones.  You'd think that having this kind of talent up front would mask some problems elsewhere..but it hasn't.

     

    Having watched every KC game...we may well have the worst ILB pairing in the NFL.  Reggie Ragland looked decent his first year here..he SUCKS.  ....and maybe he needs to be in a different scheme where he just goes downhill all the time, but in our scheme the ILB are asked to read and react.  Ragland needs to have no responsibilities in coverage at all and just go....even when he gets moving off the snap...he is easily blocked and can't shed.  A bust.  We signed Anthony Hitchens from the Cowboys for big Money in the offseason....unlike Ragland..Hitchens looked pretty good in Dallas last year....but playing in this read and react system...he also SUCKS.  He is asked to read and then cover RB and TE...and he isn't good at it...he was a good sideline to sideline defender in Dallas and the reports were he wasn't good at coverage there either....just a really good pursuit player.  .....because he has to read the play and often cover someone, on run plays..he is slow to identify and thus slow to move...and gets swallowed up by O lineman.  His Contract is AWFUL and the way it's structured, we are stuck with him for 2 more seasons.  They did draft Dorian O'Daniel from Clemson, and when he has played ILB..he HAS looked pretty good...good in coverage...quicker to react and has shown some ability to shed blockers...but they are reluctant to play him...he should be starting.  Ragland should be benched.

     

    The secondary ins't very good.  Orlando Scandrick is old, but has been ok....dropped what would have been the game clinching INT vs the Rams...just flat out dropped it...right in his hands.  Steven Nelson is ok.  Our safties are OLD and SLOW.  Been waiting on Eric Berry to come back all year...he MIGHT finaly play this week...they need him.

     

    Because of the sacks and turnovers...and the D is OK to live with even if the numbers in yards and points don't always look good..they do produce big plays.

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  10. 1 minute ago, JerseyBills said:

    Hey man , the majority of us on here calk it how we see it and aren't going to trash a guy because he's on a different team.

    KB was disgusting to watch , i couldn't stand seeing little to no effort on a consistent  basis.  Hes dead last in the league  and currently has the lowest catch % for WR with 50+ targets in the last decade , at 37%. 

    Carolina fans said the same to us and we didn't listen.  All i can say is , you'll see. Don't get tour hopes up man. if you got time , watch literally any game he played this year and get back to us after that... We wanted him gone weeks ago , he's a disgrace 

     

    I said it already..but yeah....I don't have high hopes about this....the Chiefs made a low risk, low money investment in a guy who at one time, a long time ago, showed a little....fine...we paid out some pennies to kick the tires...I read this board all the time and have read ALL the stuff you find folks have posted about Benjamin..and I have watch a few of the games....(ever since the Trade and the drafting of Allen, I can't get enough of watching the Bills....love the passion of the fan base here...and am glad to be on this board..great place to talk football)  ......I think KC sees this as SUPER cheap depth....and anything else would be gravy....contract just for the rest of this year....I'm not hoping for or expecting much.

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  11. 25 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

    You being a Chiefs fan I can see your point of if it dont work, not much of a loss financially for you.  But for your fans that think you just landed a gem, I will tell you no more than to watch some of his tape in Buffalo, one of the laziest and effortless players I have saw in a while, not to mention he only catches like 30% of his targets, he consistently drops passes

    i agree with you....this isn't exciting news to me....due in large part to me following this board...I might be the best informed KC fan about this guy.  SO MANY KC fans see a name they know and instantly "LETS SIGN HIM, HES A BEAST!  (on a side note, the tendancy of the lower IQ among my Chiefs fan base, LOVE the term Beast.  ugh.)  ....KC fan base has a hard time separating Madden from real life (this goes for salary cap issues as well...SIGN EVERYONE!  TRADE FOR EVERYONE!)  

    3 minutes ago, Yav said:

    Ha that's funny. The Chefs won't even make it past their first playoff game so don't worry no SB for them, as for KB, I guess KC is in the market for a lazy WR that can't catch. 

     Yav....not sure you have any sort of credibility with your incredibly horrible Pat Mahomes predictions and takes.

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  12. 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

     

    Below average QB that contended for NFC Championship last year.   Who’s he throwing to?  Ain’t Diggs and Thielen.

     

    But I repeat: you beat Denver twice this year.  Not likely to play them again.  Benjamin just signed for rest of season, so it’s said.  So what’s up with the Denver fixation?

     

     

    I think you’ll find Benjamin hasn’t ever played TE because he can’t, but Good Luck!

     

    A simple glance at Case Keenums numbers this year tell enough of the story....or go watch some of their games...Minnesota was right to let him walk.  He's not been good at all this year. .....He has targets and a good run game....Emmanual Sanders is pro bowl caliber WR...The traded Demarryous Thomas, but the Rookie Sutton has impressed...and they have a very strong running game....that offense isn't void of talent.  Sanders just tore his ACL in practice yestarday, so he's done....and they did claim Holmes, the other WR you released.

     

    Again..as far as Benjamin playing TE....and you telling me he can't (and I believe you)  ....well, again, great...our second string TE also can't play TE...so if Benjamin has step into that role, he'll fit right in.

     

  13. 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

     

    Why would a team leading the division at 10-2 burn a roster spot on signing a guy to “keep him from” the divisions 3rd place team, currently 6-6?

     

     

    What is up with this Denver fixation?

     

    IF KC thinks they signed a TE, Good Luck Mates!  KB can’t really block and he’s been playing very small for his size.  You’ll see.

     

    Even though we have beaten Denver twice this year already...they have really played us tight...they are a touch matchup for us...they also did have held the Rams to low totals on offense and nearly beat them...they beat the Chargers....Denver has a below average QB holding back the rest of that team.  

     

    As far as Benjamin being a TE, our current back up TE, Demetrious Harris...already can't block and never plays as big has his size either...he's been here 4 years already and hasn't progressed....If Benjamin sucks...that's fine..he sucks and will have cost us next to nothing....if Harris were to get hurt...well...we appear to have his crappy identical twin on the roster now.

  14. 6 hours ago, H2o said:

    Maybe they're looking at him as a backup TE for Kelce?

     

    This is the only reason for KC to sign him if we did it to "help" our own team.  KC is thin at TE after Kelce.  

     

    They may well have done this to keep him from Denver as well.

     

    Watkins is apparently currently healthy so this signing, if it's about Watson at all, wasn't about Watson this week.

     

    Frankly, a good many KC fans are overly happy about this signing and think we are getting the guy who excelled in Carolina, and not the hot mess he's been in Buffalo this year.  

     

    If he works hard here and makes a contribution here and NOT in Denver, then I'm good with it....but really not a big deal in my opinion. 

     

    Best Case is that he moves to TE and does well, makes himself into a nice thick tall red zone target....worst case...he sits on the bench and does nothing....not costing us much...and he isn't in Denver.

  15. I don't suppose this head to head comparison of each of these guys 1st 2 NFL seasons means anything to anyone here.  I threw in Vick because unlike the other QB on this list, Allen is a weapon as a runner, and his running stats thus far are practically equal to Vick in his first 2 NFL seasons.  It is remarkable that Vick and Allen also have nearly the same completions and attempts on a per game basis through a similar number of games at this point in their careers.

     

    Would you be happy if Allen had a VICK like career?

     

    Per Game

     
     
      Passing Rushing
    Rk Player From To Cmp Att Yds TD Int Sk Yds Att Yds TD
    1 Josh Allen 2018 2018 12.6 23.9 152.9 0.6 0.9 2.9 22.6 7.1 48.6 0.5
    2 Jim Kelly* 1986 1987 19.1 32.1 228.3 1.5 1.0 2.5 20.3 2.5 11.9 0.0
    3 J.P. Losman 2004 2005 8.9 17.9 105.5 0.6 0.7 2.1 15.2 2.5 13.0 0.0
    4 EJ Manuel 2013 2017 11.4 19.7 125.6 0.7 0.5 1.6 9.9 3.2 11.3 0.1
    5 Michael Vick 2001 2002 12.2 23.2 161.8 0.8 0.5 2.3 13.9 6.3 46.3 0.
  16. 4 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

    Cool. And I think Mahomes is a lot like Foles: basically a bad QB who had one good year and then is destined to fade into obscurity. Sure, Mahomes has a slightly better completion % but Foles had a much better TD/INT ratio and they had exactly the same YPA of 9.1. Just two systems QBs. Everything they're saying about Mahomes now they said about Foles in 2013. Many seem to think they're bound to follow similar paths. 

     

    What numbers would you like to use to measure his progress as a passer and how much time do you think is enough to see results?

  17. 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

    So...you've now given us Tim Tebow and Kyle Boller as Allen comps. Might as well go whole hog and throw in Jamarcus Russell for the trifecta of terrible QB takes.

     

    I’m giving those guys as examples of prospects who “just needed to be more accurate”.   Allen is an incredible prospect.  More gifted than those guys.  The comparison is that NFL people and fans thought it was just a matter of more time more reps and more coaching and the accuracy, passing efficiency, was going to happen, like a forgone conclusion.

     

    most of the fans on this board speak of Allen exactly this same way.  More time more reps and better supporting cast has been the failing formula to improve accuracy for decades.  Many here seem to think success is right around the corner.  

  18. .....the argument that The difference between Allen being a 60% thrower and a 55% thrower is 1.5 passes completed if he attempts 30 passes.  

     

    This is is mathematically correct but you can apply this to every QB.  Somehow others manage to consistently complete at a higher pct despite also having to throw a ball away, have the receiver drop the pass etc.  

     

    quarterbacks not not named Josh Allen have higher completion pct with the same group.

     

    my point remains.  Allen is an incredible prospect with lots of gifts and talent and he has a very substantial set of data to look at that suggests he isn’t accurate and that it is far from a given he ever will be.  

     

    My point isn’t that I think Allen is awful or that  I think he can’t improve or that given better supporting cast improvement can’t happen.

     

    It is not a given.  Another example of a guy with a great arm, gifts etc was Kyle Boler.  A guy coaches thought wasn’t accurate due to supporting cast at college and who they could coach up and surround with talent and fix him.  There are a lot of Kyle Bolers.  Accuracy, efficiency whatever you want to call it... but it is HARD to teach.  Making quick reads, and then the proper pass don’t tend to be things that can be improved much of at all by coaching or better players around.

     

    ive said in many other threads here that given his incredible natural gifts and his football upbringing he is worthwhile.  I can buy the argument that he was a farm kid that never was coached up as a kid, as a high school player or in college....

     

    its not a given and if Allen does develop into a legit franchise QB he will have beaten long odds and the Bills leadership will deserve to be praised as geniuses.  

  19. 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

     

    Please stop with the Tebow stuff.

     

    You've got a point about improving QB accuracy not being a given, but rather something relatively rare and difficult. 

     

    But no one thought Tebow could pass.  His whole passing motion was crap from the start, and known to be crap from the start.  No one lined up at the Combine to ooh and ahh over his throws.  He never made the kind of passes Allen makes sometimes that snap your head around and drop your jaw.  Stop with the Tebow stuff, it's simply an inapt comparison. 

     

    As for "Baby Hoodie" coaching him, that counts as a positive when "Baby Hoodie" shows he can develop a QB.  So far his track record is not good.  Sam Bradford, who can actually pass and play QB when healthy, looked totally incompetent with McDaniels as OC.  53.6% completion percentage and 6 TD, 6 INT in 10 games.  Magically, his completion percentage and TD/INT were better his rookie season under Shurmer and magically improved the following year under Schottenheimer.  Huh.

     

    The  "Lamar Jackson would have been all time greats" is also wierd - he's a rookie, like Allen.  He might improve, he might not.  He might be an all time great, he might not.  But talking about what he "would have been" when he's still a rookie is - agenda-ish, I'll just say that.

     

    This is fair.  Clearly I am not doing a good job of making my argument.  The Tebow comparison I tried to make wasn’t about Allen and Tebow being the same guy, but was an attempt to make my original and only point here wich is that Accuracy way more often than not, doesn’t just happen, many very good prospects, with good coaching often fail to improve this vital skill.  My whole point is that many many posters here, when talking about Allen, are dismissive of his lack of accuracy and explain it away like it’s simply a matter of time and is bound to happen.  If there were several past cases I’d this happening then it would be something to be assumed and dismissive about.  The past suggests that in fact accuracy is very difficult to improve and for a good many humans, is something you are born with or not.  I am not taking anything away from the raw prospect he is.  He is a tremendous prospect.  I would be excited at this point if I were a bulls fan to see if he can get better because he shows so much of what you want a QB to be.  That said it is not a given he’ll ever be consistently accurate enough to be a franchise type QB and any analysis that involves just assuming some linear improvement.  

     

    The accuracy is is a concern and a problem.  It was on draft day and it still is.  

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  20. 27 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

    Those stats are extremely misleading. Percentage completion for a QB is only sometimes an accurate indicator of accuracy. The last two weeks Allen has led the league in yards in the air per pass. When it is third and 20 he throws a 20-30 yard pass not a completion for 6 yards and a punt. He rarely throws screens and WR screens, maybe two a game, which are completions and gin up percentage stats for 2/3 of the quarterbacks in the league. He rarely if ever dumps the ball off to a RB if his WR are covered. The Bills don't even have those guys in the play calls. The Bills also have the worst WR corps in the entire league, no run game and terrible blocking. 

     

    Allen had a 8-19 stat line last week and he was very accurate most of the entire game. If he threw two more called screen passes a game, which most teams do, and are almost guaranteed completions that have zero to do with accuracy, his completion percentage would jump from the 50s to the 60s with no better throws. 

     

    I agree Allen goes downfield more often than many QB do....and having watched Alex Smith for years...I agree, high completion PCT isn't the be all end all for accuracy.  Smith comleted a TON of short easy passes.  Accuracy is more than completion PCT....as stated by others here.  .....So, even given all this....isn't it worth asking then, if you KNOW Allen can only complete "X" pct of deeper passes and you believe he'd complete more if you called a screen or slant or two...wouldn't someone in all this time, figured out that it was worthwhile to call a short pass for the guy here and there?  .....what good does it do to throw it farther downfield if you don't complete those?  Certainly he doesn't connect often enough to justify doing it as much as he does....he doesn't throw TD's at a high enough rate to justify it....he has a high turnover rate that might go down....wouldn't it be optimal to have him throw shorter more often?  

  21. 3 minutes ago, BB@Shooter said:

    Go look at some of my posts about Allen. I am from Wyoming and have explained why his numbers weren't great at Wyoming. It isn't accuracy issues. He had a worse supporting cast than he does now, they were a running team, and his OC put him in a lot of 3rd and long situations. You need to research more. And not take the lazy way out and listen to others who didn't research. 

     

    Why did the two QB under Coach Bohl, who were before Allen have signifigantly higher completion pcts?

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