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I know, I know....the trolling Chiefs fan is here to piss on the Bills corn flakes again......I agree with Gregg TX here.....I have the Bills going about 8-8. the schedule is rough. I also think Miami, is going to get it together pretty quick and be a tough out. To me, this season comes down to how efficient Allen is. You guys have got to get 6's in the red zone and you need more drives extended when it's 3rd down than you've had in the past. That's Allen. I hope Diggs is a difference maker in this department. I think one thing we can all agree on is that the Jets suck.

i know it's a bills board.....but looking forward to Willie Gay Jr replacing Reggie Ragland....that should be an upgrade.

Toot Toot (me tooting my own horn)

Knowing Mahomes cap hits are certain now, allows KC to know what they can do with the Cap for Jones. The extension they signed with Mahomes COULD have voided out years remaining (they didn't in this case) etc etc... IF KC gets a deal with Jones done, it's going to be heavily backloaded with small base salaries this year and next....after that thye won't have to squeeze so hard.

From day 1, that WAS my purpose to come here. In the process, I've ended up liking the community. I don't hate the Bills...I hate the Broncos. I root for Buffalo when they aren't playing KC....and just because I doubt Josh Allen doesn't mean I don't like watching him....he's exciting as hell! I've been rooting for him to prove my doubts wrong since you drafted him. (just like many fans here) I understand how I come off as a condescending jerk based on how I came to find the this place and my early times here... but I don't plan to go away....I don't post all that often now as it is....looking forward to the season...hope we have one...the KC/Buffalo game in your crib should be a good one. I'll be here to talk about, like it or not.

Funny you should mention Tannehill.....over the next 4 years, Ryan Tannehill will make more money than Patrick Mahomes. Um....they are bringing back 20 of 22 starters from last years team...One of the starters being replaced is Reggie Ragland....with 2nd Round pick Willie Gay Jr. (first round talent, slipped in draft for knocking out his own QB) And we added Clyde Edwards Hellaire. ....also....SEE ABOVE....Mahomes costs LESS THAN RYAN TANNEHILL for the next 4 seasons. And....the core is signed through 2021 by the way. Mahomes, Hill, Kelce, Fisher, Schwartz, CEH, Honey Badger, Frank Clark, Thornhill, Butker....we are locked and loaded for a good run.

.....And it's FATASS By a nose!

It's simple. If you think he's a super bowl QB, you sign him. If you don't, then you don't pay him at all and move on.

@Yav hates Kansas City and Kansas City fans.....At some point I think he lived in KC and had a bad time.

I know I'm making this seem simpler than it is. I think Buffalo has handled it better than most in the past couple years...you tried Manual...he didn't work out. you tried Tyrod....he was ok. Now you are on Josh Allen....I think a top 10 type QB is the best shot at finding a guy, but you should always look....FA, diamond in the rough CFL guys, you try until you find a guy. but you gotta find the guy somewhere. I don't have the answers...and not all 32 teams can win or find the guy....it's hard......all I am saying is actively searchign out the right guy is better than paying top dollar for someone who isn't the guy. They are already under contract. Hill is in for the next 3 years...he signed an extension last year. Kelce has another year after this one under contract. We're good to go. They guy has a QBR of 99.9 on third and 15 or more, the rest of the leauge has a QBR of 4.6 in that same situaiton. Mahomes is good.

When do you pay a guy like a top tier QB? The point is if you don't have a top tier QB..... 1. you shouldn't pay a guy like a top tier guy who isn't one. 2. you need a top tier guy.

Of course......but the point is do you pay Kirk Cousins a ton of money to be Kirk Cousins or do you keep drafting and trying QB's until you find one?

......which is my point. Is your point that teams just stick with a Tyrod Taylor type QB because he's decent or an Andy Dalton type? Should Joe Flacco make a bazillion dollars? Kirk Cousins? Or do you "take a chance" and try and improve?

yes....not super bowl champions.....just like before we had Mahomes. And then you don't pay Mahomes if he isn't good...you go and try and find a guy who is good. You are making my point for me. It's hard to win a title with a midling QB....it can be done. it's just harder to build a generational defense, draft well for 3 or 4 years in a row and have everything culminate just right for one season. If you don't have the QB, then you need a QB. You don't pay a QB big money (that what this thread is about..paying big money for average QB) if he isn't a big money type player.

Teams need to be.......like the Chiefs........KC had Alex Smith...we were winning divisions with that guy. he was putting up "numbers" KC decided that he wasn't getting them to the top and traded up for Mahomes. The problem with mediocre QB getting paid is most teams are too scared. They know what they have with X, and sign him, instead of daring to be better, letting reliable mediocre X move on and getting someone that could be better in there. The NFL doesn't need to do anything. Teams need to be honest about the QB they have. Now, having said that...Andy Reid was/is one of the few guys who had the kind of job security and reputation to be able to go to an owner and say....I realize we are winning, we sell out the stadium every year and our QB is a good guy in the community etc...but he isn't good enough and I want to trade up in the draft for this guy who I think can be better. Very few front offices can do that. Normally a big QB change happens when the coach and GM have just been newly hired and they get one shot at this. That is the problem. If those guys find a QB that gets to 9 wins consistantly, they keep him, becuase the GM and coach keep their jobs because they are "winning" they are "close". You'd overpay a QB too if it menat you got to keep your 5 million per year job an extra year or three or 4.

KC has most of the core under contract for the next few years. 2020 the entire core is back. 2021 is going to see alot of turnover, but we (KC) will have in 2021 Mahomes Kelce Hill Frank Clark Honey Badger Juan Thornhill Harrison Butker Eric Fisher Mitchell Schwartz Clyde Edwards Hellaire Willie Gay Hitchens ....and others. Hopefully they can find a way to sign Chris Jones long term.....he's the one major piece (Unless you count Sammy Watkins as a major piece) that aren't under contract through 21.

The following is NOT a typo: Pat Mahomes QBR on 3rd and 15 or more is 99.9 (also, this stat alone, should demonstrate just how awesome Mahomes is) The rest of the entire NFL QBR on 3rd and 15 or more is 4.7 KC would just score and go for the "onside" conversion everytime.

I can vouche for this. @GoBills808 is a man of his word. Sent me a check in the mail for a bet I won with him last year.

Um.....ONE up and coming gunslinger. The other guy has kind of already arrived, you know, having won a leauge MVP and Super Bowl MVP.

McClain has an article coraborating all this..but it's behind a paywall

https://www.espn975.com/bench-travis-johnson-says-obrien-didnt-want-deshaun-watson/ https://www.walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/Per-Sources,-Watson-Will-Seek-Market-Value

I didn't say "The Texans" I said specifically, BILL O'BRIEN did not want him. Here is a picture of the Texans War Room when they made the pick....does that look like BOB wanted him....does it look like anyone there besides GM Rick Smith is happy about making the pick?

.... Let's do this again..... going into the 2017 NFL Draft, The Pegulas had already fired the coach and had hired McDermott about 3 months before the draft. It was already being speculated that Whaley would be on the way out as well. He was kept on ONLY to assist with (NOT RUN) the draft. McDermott was clear about the fact that he was NOT taking a QB in the 2017 Draft without the new GM (who wouldn't be on board until later) to help evaluate and make that choice with all parties on the same page. McD being a defensive minded coach, also perhaps didn't have the background to confidently make that choice in 2017 on his own. ********THE BILLS WERE NOT GOING TO DRAFT A QB IN 2017 NO MATTER WHAT********** Not Trubisky, Not Watson, and Not Mahomes. They went into that draft OUT of the QB Market. They had been discussing the trade with KC FOR WEEKS. On a side note....considering the Bills were OUT of that QB market and knew they wouldn't be in it in 2017 at all....the trade and pics they made with KC should be graded as A+. People crap on the Bills for "missing" on Mahomes. The circumstances that existed in the Bills front office and leadership dictated that the wouldn't be taking a QB. If you want to blame anyone in Buffalo for "passing" on Mahomes...then you have to blame the Pegulas for their unorthodox handling of their FO reshuffling in the 2017 offseason, leaving them with a new coach and a lame duck GM, meaning they weren't set up to evaluate and take a QB in the 2017 Draft. Given the circumstances....McD could NOT have possibly played it better than he did. ....2nd....I have never heard that Pegula liked Trubisky...where did you read or see that? THIS is the first thread I've ever read that. ...3rd....The Chiefs did NOT want Watson. lots of loose lipped folks in the KC organization let it out that Watson did not impress on the white board in meetings with Ried. The move up was for Mahomes, and only for Mahomes. Furthermore, Bill O'Brien did not want Watson either...that move was orchestrated by then Texans GM Rick Smith (and further rumored to have been directed by the owner to make it happen) Lots of puplished whisperings that O'Brien loved Mahomes, and ALSO didn't think Watson performed well on the white board. ...and last....Blake Bortles has been the backup for the Rams since his release from JAX...he isn't out of football.

I am bored at work and saw the thread here about that reporter in Boston proclaiming the Pats would still win the division, the Jets, Bills, and Phins were all inept bla bla bla. It compelled me to give Stidham a deeper look, so I watch all of his preseason work from 2019....these are my thoughts. ****MODS**** if this is deemed to not add anything of value here etc.....feel free to discard etc.....again...I'm bored at work....I did some office chair film review. Here are my thoughts. Right away you notice that Stidham is very good at climbing the pocket...this is one of Tom Bradys hallmarks, and Stidham is feerless in traffic, as he steps straight forward into the middle of relatively small pockets, keeping his eyes downfield and delivering alot of good passes. It's quite impressive. Of note....stidham, when climbing, usually does throw the ball, but when he feels the heat, this is also BY FAR his prefferred escape route....running straight ahead. in all the games he played, each opponent threw a middle blitz right at him, and all 3 of those times he just crumples to the ground.....or has no chance to escape. He's helpless against a free rusher coming up the middle right at him. Stidham, when taking snaps from the gun, does go through his progressions fairly well, but he did tend to hold the ball for a while. In the games I watched, he was mostly playing scrubs....some of the better pass rushers in the leauge are going to get to this guy when he doens't make up his mind quickly to throw. When stidham is flushed and tries to throw, he doesn't have the arm to get mustard on his passes....especially rolling to his left....throwing on the move to his left, he throws a VERY weak ball, and it isn't much better rolling right. He doesn't have the speed to create enough space to stop and reset once he starts to roll...so getting him moving out of hte pocket is advantage defense. It's also very apparent in every game, ANYTIME Stidham ran play action, once he turns back around after the fake handoff, he is QUICK to throw...he already has in mind where the open man should be and often is correct and wastes no time at all getting the ball out...often to an open target. Its a sharp contrast watching how quick stidham gets the ball out on play action vs just taking a shotgun snap and standing around scanning the field and taking his time. Given time in the pocket...or even when he is compelled to climb the pocket and throw, stidham was good at recognizing man coverage on the outside and throwing to that target. He rarely chose outside targets who were doubled up. He did go to some tightly covered targets in the middle of the field but had success on alot of that as he does well stepping into those throws as he is climbing up in the pocket and is able to get enough zip on the ball to get it through those tight windows. In general Stidham had good pocket pressence and was good about feeling the pressure coming....but he lacks the athleticsm to do much about it once the rush hits home...even when he makes the effort to escape or sidestep, he's slow....and throwing under durress reveals the weakness of his arm when he can't step into the throw and drive the ball. Only in the FINAL preseason game did i note ONE anticipation throw....a 7 yard out that he began the windup before the target made the cut. It was the only one I saw....could be due to playing with the scrubs... Not the most graceful screen thrower...seems rushed and antsy trying to execute those. Overall....I can see why Belichick might feel good enough to give this kid a real chance in 2020....I would want to see more work on timing routes with the 1's before I'd feel real good about this kid, but he seems capable and well suited to run the Patriot short passing game they prefer along with his fast execution of playaction...and they might just have something viable there. You run some double tights and pound the rock setting up playaction.....I can see it working out. Need to see A LOT more in the timing/anticipation area.

Here are mine.....TUA is giong to fall like an anvil in a loony toons cartoon. Jalen Hurts will be the best QB in this draft....and he'll be taken by the Chargers.....................at pick 32 (they will trade back into round 1) Chase Claypool will be a pro bowl player........but at TE not WR. Best RB in this entire class likely won't be drafted.....it will be Michael Warren, Cincinnatti U.