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I am glad to have Karlaftis....for what KC likes their DE's to be...he was made in a lab for spags....just pointing out that Allen and Karlaftis are not all the same player type.

As much as I enjoy postivie comments about my Chiefs....I wanted to chime in here and say that this is a bad comparison. Jared Allen was a division II sack machine at Idaho State....and when he came out...and on into the NFL...he had a ton of "bend" to him. Karlaftis simply isn't that type of player. He doesn't offer much bend at all. He's alot more like Ryan Kerrigan....a larger, power oriented guy who is expected to be a strenght VS the run and win in passing situatoins by power, or with strong hands and beating the O-linemans punch, and shedding blocks. I hope Karlaftis is a great player, but as mentioned in this thread...it's damn hard to find good DE (espeically pass rushers) beyond the top 15 or so in round 1. The body and skill set is just hard to come by. Someone mentioned Creed Humphey was in the Bills laps and they took Basham instead. .....that, in hindsight was a mistake, but the point that 2nd round project DE types, just don't offer a good ROI. If you aren't taking one high, then there almost isn't any point. IOL...WAY BETTER ROI in mid rounds on those guys.

I think you've got a good grasp on what KC is doing. Reid can be stubborn and SLOW to change what he is doing, but he isn't dumb and he does change things up once he can see that change is in fact needed. The leauge has gone two high crazy. Teams were pretty effective at taking away KC chunk plays....which had been their bread and butter from 2018 to last year. Teams just gave KC all the real estate they wanted between the 20's and then bogged us down in the red zone. If they are priced into having to pay Orlando Brown big money....and teams are presenting a light box....and I read a very telling stat from PFF or NFLNexGen.....LB bit the least in the NFL on KC play action...and they moved the least to run/defend against the Chiefs. No one was afraid of our passing game. LB were just staying home clogging up shallow passing lanes. Signing Ronald Jones, trading Hill, and self evaluating that KC does have some O linemen who should be plus run blockers...all point to a shift in philosophy. Mahomes best football thus far, was played when KC had a good running game to go with him. I think they want to get back to that. One more thing to point out...WAY TOO MUCH of KC's run game last season was RPO....this puts the Olineman at a disadvantage becasue they block that like it's a pass play. they never get a chance to fire off and drive anyone. I think KC had a nice run using RPO stuff for a while but teams caught up to that and you don't want Mahomes actually running the ball as an actual function of the offense. So I think you'll see alot less of that...the running game will look alot more like a conventional straight forward attack relying on the plus line to drive results instead of smoke and mirrors.

I thought we might do business going up to 21. ...was surprised they were willing to trade up though...not a typical Bill thing to do.

This used to be the case. In some ways it still is....but if you draft well, you can put guys on the field sooner and get a pretty good idea in a short time what you have. I know...KC Fan....but Nick Bolton, Creed Humphrey and Tre Smith...all drafted last year...all started...all were good. Without Smith and Humphrey...KC would not have been able to sustain a division winning record last year...they nailed the draft...so it can happen. I like the Chiefs draft, but I'll wait and see how it looks on the field before I really have a strong opinion about it. I certainly wouldn't have thought KC nailed it as well as they did last year a day after the draft was over.

I would add, that from a Bills and Bills fan perspective...the argument that the Bills had to get to 23 for Elam...I think is correct, and therefore, getting to 23 was a very good move by Beane. For those of you who think the Bills wasted a 4th to move up 2 spots..... Consider that the Cowboys ended up taking OT Tyler Smith. CLEARLY the Cowboys made a panic move here. They have their CB2 possibly in some serious legal trouble...and at any rate, teams can always use 3 good CB's even if you like your CB2 well enough. You can not convince me that Tyler Smith was ahead of Elam on anyones draft board. Project OT/G types do not get ranked ahead of CB1 types. EVER. The Cowboys, got caught with their pants down. The run on OG/T types that were much better prospects, that the Cowboys would have been happier with...went earlier than they thought I am sure. Both Zion Johnson and Kenyon Green (the guy Dallas really wanted) we long gone. Trevor Penning was gon at 19. The Cowboys are not averse to seeing their guys go in front of them, but then just taking BPA on their board...thats how they got Parsons last year when Horn and Surtain went right in front of them. Elam was the guy they were prepared to take. When Beane moved up and took him...the Cowboys panicked. They had to take Tyler Smith...he was the last G/T prospect of note available to them, in a year when they had glaring holes in their line. Smith could have been had later. Smith was the last non Center O lineman taken until pick 57. Total panic move. Living here in the DFW Metroplex...it warms my heart whenever the Cowboys do something to cause the Cowboy fanbase angst....and this certainly has.

I think we can agree that both KC and the Bills were calling teams starting at 20 and both were looking to move up for a CB...and as Veach said, he believed he had to get in front of the Bills...at minimum Veach thought they were going for McDuffie...and Beane believed KC and others were going up for a CB, quite possibly Elam. The idea that KC and the Bills were both hunting Corners is true. If nothing else, it's interesting that both teams felt the players available at 20 were worthwhile to make moves for.

I tried to be careful in my wording when explaining this...I have no sources. I know teams rank players differently. I never claimed that the Bills certainly had Elam in front of McDuffie or vice versa. I make the assumption that many teams likely had McDuffie ahead of Elam based on all the big boards and all the mock drafts that always had McDuffie drafted significantly higher. Again, that isn't proof that was the case. I don't claim to know how Beane had them ranked. The only thing we know for sure is that the Chiefs did have McDuffie ranked higher than Elam because they had their pick of both and chose McDuffie. It's ENTIRELY possible that Beane could have believed the Chiefs or others had Elam ranked higher and once the draft got to pick 20, he was on the phone making the effort to secure Elam. that is all possible. I also noted that KC, if Elam would have been the guy we ended up with...would also have been happy. The fans would like it...and so on. When the draft is going on and a team is deciding if they need to move up or drop or stay put, they are making a calculated choice based on the information they have and drawing conclusions about the best way to proceed. Let's take the Chiefs moving up out of this...lets just say that McDuffie is off the board and we are approaching pick 21 or so and Elam is the CB still on the board when pick 23 is coming up...the Bills at 25 do not "know" what the Cowboys will do...or who else might have Elam rated where. They moved from 25 to 23 because...just like I have done here....they made some assumptions based on the information available, that to secure Elam, they would need to get to 23 to do so. It's very reasonable to conclude that the Cowboys may have taken him, and that other teams were calling about getting to 23 for him. Many in this thread have made that very case. I've done nothing different in forming my conclusion.

This is very interesting. I don't think they were calling to get to 20 for Elam. Here is why: IF the Bills had Elam as the best rated DB on their board, it seems strange they'd be worried about going up for him when McDuffie was still available. The reason being, McDuffie has been rated higher and been mocked higher than McDuffie throughout the scouting and draft process. Many mocks had him as a top 15 pick..and some even had him inside the top 10. Some ranking had him ranked ahead of Stinglely. Elams has never been mocked that high and never shows up in any scouting services, any big board etc as a top 15 pick. The highest I saw him was 17th. Generally he's been a guy slated in the 28-34 range. Even if the Bills had Elam ranked higher than McDuffie (possible..we'll never know) then it would still be reasonable to think that most teams probably had McDuffie higher and that he'd be drafted before Elam, by some team just making their pick or by a team moving up. Veach specifically saying that KC moved to 21 to get ahead of Buffalo suggests (but isn't proof) that the Bills were trying manuever to get McDuffie. Veach clearly had reason to think that McDuffie was the Bills target. It's a fact that KC took McDuffie...so KC wasn't trying to move up to 21 because they were concerned Elam wouldn't be there. Given that McDuffie had been ranked appreciably higher by available sources, it doesn't seem like Elam was the guy the Bills were coveting when making calls to move up to as high as 20. That isn't to take away from Elam at all. If KC couldn't make a trade...or if McDuffie was off the board at 15 or whatever and KC was sitting at 29..and the Bills at 25, also are still looking at him as the high end, round 1 talent that he is...that there is still a manuever by KC, the Bills or another team, to try and get him. I'm not knocking the player or the pick. I just don't think Elam was higher on the Bills board. I do believe that they absolutely saw him/see him as a round 1, high end prospect worth securing with a high pick. Elam was a guy KC fans often would disucss as a real possibility at 29/30 and was a popular guy to mock to KC there. KC fans would have been happy to have ended up with him for all the same reasons you guys are glad to have him. I live in the Dallas Ft Worth area...this is a LEGIT reason to believe the Cowboys would have in fact taken Elam. Considering their fallback plan was..............................Tyler Smith? A project OT/G.....there is NO CHANCE Smith was rated higher than Elam on the Cowboys draft board. NONE. The Chiefs didn't go to 21 to jump the Packers. 21 was where you had to get in order to land McDuffie. KC was surely not the only team asking about 21....and considedring KC paid a 3rd and 4th move up from 29...it would seem there were other bidders and KC had to overpay to get there. .....the move was to get to 21 to secure the pick VS other teams vying to get to 21....not to jump GB.

....FWIW....IMO...when you watch Chenal film...the RAS traits didn't translate to on field play as much as you might hope for a guy with this RAS score. He probably dropped to where he did because he's going to need to be coached up. I'm not that familiar with how the Bills use Edmonds, but KC is going to play him as the MIKE with Gay as the WILL and Bolton as the SAM. my guess is that when KC is in big nickel, or dime, that Gay is the one staying on the field most often as he is a very good coverage player. Chenal will be asked to do what he does best...defend the run..and not asked to cover too much is my guess. I don't see Chenal is a 3 down LB.

First, the bolded above. KC has stated they plan to play him on the outside. They don't see him as a slot corner. At any rate...I am fairly pleased with what KC did..but no way to know for sure until they get on the field. What I do know....just reading twitter and other sites, and so on...All 32 teams could not have possibly "crushed it". All these prospects are not "freaks" and so on. Draft season is the biggest overhype show in the world...Still fun to speculate, and watch and enjoy...but everyone over does it....every year.

FYI. Veach says they felt they had to get ahead of the Bills. https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1519889179634716672?s=21&t=_R-WCljBWcL5Shu1-DSRjA

I haven’t read through all these posts, but I’d just add - we won’t ever know if Beane liked McDuffie better than Elam or not, but we do know the Chiefs did. Will be a fun item to monitor in the coming seasons. I am inclined to think the Bills were a team KC thought they had to get in front of for McDuffie. I think KC had a good idea that NE at 21 would be a spot they could get to if it came down to it because they are a team that is typically inclined to trade back and that they also would be a trade partner who would not want to make a deal with a division rival.

...these are BOLD predictions, not safe, kind of likely, sort of possible predictions

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It's almost that time. You got something off the wall, out of the norm...something you see coming that no one else does? get it on record here! Here are some of mine...some bolder than others. Malik Willis will go No.2 overall to Detroit. The Chiefs will take OT Bernhard Raimann with their first pick (no.29) Jameson will go no.4 overall to the Jets Kyle Hamilton will drop out of the top 10 and go to the Texans at pick 13. David Ojabo will still be on the board at pick 60. Pickens is going to slide farther down the board than people think...lasting until late round 2 or early 3rd. The Steelers will draft Desmond Ridder at pick 20. Sam Williams EDGE Mississippi, won't be drafted at all. ...and last...maybe not bold, but probably polarizing here....With their first round pick, the Bills draft Breece Hall (Zero ducks and runs for cover!)

Johnson is another one I LOVE! ....all the way up to 7 is rich...but love the player. I am not that high on Elam...but in your draft he made it to pick 46....I can totally get on board with that. I would not take Elam in round 1. Out of curiosity, where did Kyler Gordon go in this draft? Also Jalen Pitre?

I am SURE that I am in the minority of Chiefs fans in my thinking, but in my opinion - Regarding the WR's. There is a small 5 game sample of Mahomes without Hill...and those numbers are very good. As should be expected from an elite QB. Hill, as you saw in the playoff game, is capable of game changing plays in big moments. That's the part that will be missed. ....but overall, KC is fine at WR heading into 2022. They will be drafting one as they only have basically one guy under contract beyond 2022 (MVS) So while it's fine for now...they really need to get a guy or 2 into the pipeline for 2023 and beyond. I think most Chiefs fans would tell you WR is the top priority (it's not) heading into this draft. They may well take one high, but I wouldn't be surprised if they find very good players/good draft value a little later. Some guys I would LOVE - Romeo Doubs, Taquan Thornton, and Erik Ezukanma...all can be had after round 2. Defensive End is a different story. They haven't done anything in FA...maybe they are waiting out Clowney or Ingram, but as it is now..it's a glaring hole. Clark is basically a one year deal and he hasn't been all that of late. The rest is JAG city. I would like to see some draft action on at least 1 if not 2 EDGE players in round 1 and 2. Guys I like ....and I am really alot higher on him than most...Arnold Ebiketie...LOVE that guy. Fits the scheme and I think he is a dude that wins on his own VS offensive tackles and wrecks the pocket. IF you have that guy already...and you roll around to pick 50 and any of Nick Bonitto, Logan Hall or LeMarvin Leal are there...you grab one. Bonnito reminds me of Dee Ford...a pass rush ONLY guy...who isn't going to set an edge...that doesn't jibe with KC...but if you already have Ebidetie..maybe that works better. The other 2...they can play inside...or outside and can play the run. I like Hall the most among these 3. You might get a little differnt answer from Billl. I am pretty sure my thoughts on this don't jibe with most Chiefs fans...hope this was helpful.

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I disagree with this....the TV money is where most of the revenue comes from......I stand by my point...the ratings are already just as stong in NON NFL markets as they are in NFL markets...you can not get more eyes on TV's by expansion....all that does is bring on more owners that have to split the same TV money pie. Any revenues generated by the extras like merch etc...is dwarfed by the TV deals. Unless you are talking about making that TV pie a big enough pie that the current owners slices are bigger than what they already get..they aren't gonig to be interested.

On point 1.......the only way they could squeeze more TV money out of the current situation is if they started to have Saturday, and Tuesday games..to go with Sunday, Monday and Thursday games...that would be new time slots not currently occupied by NFL games and therefore new spots where networks could sell commercial time....the NFLPA would object.... On point 2..... I think you might have something there but we'd all need to see a breakdown of how much gambling revenue each team generates...VS how much more you'd get if you added a couple teams...that would be interesting, and if the pie was made larger...that could be an impetus to expand. I wouldn't mind expansion to a few more teams....I only argue against it from an owner view point..as a fan, I'd love London, Toronto, and two more domestic teams added. Going off the idea the domestic TV dollars dont get better...it doens't have to be the biggest TV markets..but probably would be. As others have mentioned....San Antonio...has long been trying to get a team and deserve it...it's a good NFL market. I'd put the other team in Portland or Salt Lake City.....with Portland being the preferred destination...but those poeple probalby have no appetite for publicly financing a stadium.

One of my favorite topics..... The NFL will NOT expand anytime soon. The reason why is TV dollars. TV Ratings for NFL football games is pretty much the same in NFL markets as it is in NON NFL Markets. The NFL has reached a point where adding teams does NOT ADD TV Viewers....so if you are one of 32 NFL owners...you have zero incentive to split the same TV contract money with more owners...it's a 32 piece pie right now...the pie doesn't get bigger with more teams....no reason to split the same pie with 34 or 36 or 40 owners. The same 32 owners are interested in expanding TV viewership in markets outside the US. There are a few ways they could do that without expansion. As mentioned..move an existing team...or two, to new markets outside the US....Jacksonville being the obvious one, to move to London. There are quite a few legal hurdles to making that happen...not as simple as just moving the team...but if they could work that out...you get a ton more new TV eyes and money....and split with the same 32 clubs. You might move a team to Mexico city or to Toronto and pick up some more TV dollars that way...but they'd probably be good with simply Jax to London....and NO domestic expansion. Moving a team from one town to another is less likely now that teams can't point to LA is this vast open market...teams will be compelled to stay where they are....in general..saw some posts about Washington to Virgina...KC from Missouri to Kansas...those aren't "moves" they would still be in the exact same markets they are already in. ....the other thing mentioned that will never happen...agian for money reason....is having the USFL or XFL be some league where you relagate the two bottom teams to the XFL/USFL...and bring up the top teams....HA! NFL franchises are worth 4 billion dollars...those guys aren't going to be "relagated" that system in the EPL came from a pre TV dollar, pre big money era and doesn't work now. the NFL would never consider it. ....and if you wanted to encourage competing, and discourage tanking.....all you need to do is reverse the draft order starting at pick 18. 18 is the BEST team that missed the playoffs...have that team draft first...and then 17, go 2nd and so on..so that the worst team ends up with the 18th pick. You have every reason to go for it to the end because your reward for trying hard is the first pick. Tanking gets you nothing.....want a higher pick? Try and make the playoffs!

I had Chiefs inner circle passes for Dallas in 2018...met Pancho on the floor. Inner circle is an eperience I HIGHLY reccomend...so cool...to be right there. High fiving dudes that just got picked...and being around all 32 teams rabid fans all in one spot....if any of you ever get a shot to make that happen...do it.

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Anyone else seen or hear anything about this....I saw this....NESN guy says it's being worked on. https://www.totalprosports.com/2022/03/24/miami-dolphins-reportedly-working-on-a-trade-for-tom-brady/