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...and again..I agree, KC got a GOOD DEAL on this, even if some fans might not think so. We'll never know what MIGHT have happened, but essentially, instead of playing the game, which mathematically, probably was a 55% chance the Bills would lose at the time the game stopped, KC now has a 100% go for the 1 seed by simply winning Saturday. You take that every time. Essentially, KC gets a "win" in the WC round, and can't play BOTH of the Bills and Bengals, It can only be one or the other at worst, and still possible they play neither one, or if they play Cincy, still host if the Chiefs make it that far of course. It's a good deal for KC.....the cost being simply having to play the Bills at a nuetral site ONLY if both KC and the Bills win this weekend.

I don't post there. I do agree it's a cesspool. Arrowhead Stadium crows >>>>>>> Chiefs Planet crowd. In a prior post, I acknowledge, this isn't a bad deal for the Chiefs as it turned out. The only thing I would say is that the whole problem with the no contest is that you can not definiteively say KC didn't deserve the bye. We can't say they did because the Bills and Bengals game didn't happen. This is correct. IF KC does somehow go on to win the SB....the talking heads will drone on about it for a week or so and that's it. KC gets to keep the trophy, the record books show KC won the title. in a few years now one will remember or care at all. Sad but true.

Cincy does because without the outcome of the Bill / Cincy game, they are going to no matter what, be the AFC North Champ but predisposed to a coin toss for hosting or going on the road to open the wild card round IF they lose to the Ravens. Either the rules and winning the division matter or they don't. It's important to note in all of this that the proposal for all of this is to CHANGE rules that are already in place. Cincy has every right to be upset that they have as of today - No chance at the 1. They also may be subject to opening their playoffs on the road even if they win the division. A lot potentially taken off the table for them through no fault of their own, and in opposition to existing rules.

I'd like to clarify at least the point of view I have as a Chiefs fan about the proposed solution - If you had offered the me/Chiefs the 1 seed, with the condition that a BUF/KC AFCCG is played at a nuetral site. ...and the only condition is KC beats the Raiders? I take that 100% of the time. That's a great trade off for KC. As the 1 - KC gets: 1st round bye. CAN NOT play BOTH of Cincy and Buf in playoffs. It's impossible. Cincy is the team that has the biggest gripe Buf is the team with the 2nd biggest gripe as they had control of their destiny to the 1 seed and lost that by having the game be declared a no contest. I am sure you'll see plenty of KC fans complaining about this on Twitter and on boards. Considering there was no fair way to do it, KC isn't getting the shaft on this.

YES, that is my argument. Once they thought they were done or their position couldn't change based on the outcome of week 17 games....the TITANS for example, before the Bills/Bengals game, had a situation where week 17 was meaningless because their week 18 matchup was a win and in, no matter what happend in week 17. IF they had known the 8th spot was possible, then week 17 isn't meaningless to them. The Raiders might not have been inclined to pull the plug on Carr IF they thought the 8th playoff spot was possible. Not that Stidham did bad...he did well, but with the season still alive for them, they might not have made the change....maybe they go on more 4th downs knowing they weren't dead yet....lots of things could have been different.

One positive for KC...Mahomes is better AWAY from Arrowhead. So there is that.

I don't disagree with your sentiment. I am sure all this is moving forward because there is momentum among the vast majority of owners to make rule changes in season due to these circumstances. Again....the best solution would have been to play the games on the field....I understand they are trying to make this as fair as they can even as there is no 100 pct fair way to do it.

https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1611216418233614336?s=20&t=Mj3hkyrx6NP2LEqHxzB5Lg ....they wouldn't need a vote at all. that's already the rule that's in place.

Something of note...the NFL does have rules in place for this. In a no contest, you go with win pct and the chips fall where they fall. That is the current rule. The owners are now going to get together on Friday and vote to CHANGE the rules in season. That is the reason for the vote. If they were just using the rules in place, you'd have no contest, win pct, and that's it. I am NOT arguing that is fair, right, what should or shouldn't happen, but I am pointing out that the NFL is considering a rule change on the fly for this. Obviously, I think all of us wish the Bengals/Bills game could be concluded so there would be no question of who should or shouldn't get what. No one wants an asterik next to their team name in the event they win a super bowl. At any rate, it will require 24 votes from the owners to pass any rule change on Friday. My guess is they probably have the votes to pass it or they wouln't be putting the options forward...but I would imagine KC, Cincy, may or may not resist and try and find 7 other teams to vote along with them.

Adding an extra team screws teams that made some IR choices, QB choices etc, thinking they were done...if 8 was on the table last week, the Raiders, Jets, Titans, Ravens ALL may well have done A WHOLE lot of things differently.

Some points: 1. Someone here pointed out there are rules in place for this and those simply point to no contest and let the chips fall. That is the easiest. 2. Several point out KC lost to Cincy and Buffalo. That is true no matter what. And if KC finished the season still with a better record/win pct then it still wouldn’t matter. If KC would have finished with the better records it doesn’t matter. Unfortunately the inherent nature of a no contest means Buffalo now has no chance to earn the better record. You don’t get points for this. KC has had seasons where they beat both super bowl participants in the regular season. It doesn’t matter. 3. If they do the plan where KC would choose bye Or homefield, that 10000% ought to be “bye” because math. But……if you tell me I’m forced into that choice AND I know my opponent is NE. I’d at least consider playing the game and taking homefield. I’d also consider it for a Miami team if I knows no Tua or Bridgewater. 4. KC still has to win this week or a lot of this won’t matter. 5. The 8th playoff team is pure crap! The Jets Titans and Ravens Raiders may have opted to play differently, start or sit injured players differently last week IF they knew they were still in it. Screwing more and more teams trying to balance out the unfairness by sharing it with even more teams isn’t the way to go

Other than actually playing out the Bill/Bengals game AND allowing for all teams to play on equal rest etc....no solution is going to be fair. Some thoughts: Alot of this fixes itself if the Raiders upset KC. Could happen. But if not then...... My first idea (and sorry if it was mentioned earlier, I haven't read the entire thread) just move ALL the week 18 games back to week 19 and let only the Bengals and Bills play this sunday. Then you just move the playoffs back one week and lose the super bowl bye week. Too late for this. They've announced week 18 is going ahead on schedule. Second idea. Considering it's looking like Bill/Bengals is on the way to being declare a no contest....which is going to benefit Kc the most, and keep Cincy from any shot at the 2 seed....maybe you could allow an 8th AFC playoff team, give no first round bye's so that AT LEAST KC has to play in round 1 with Cincy an Buffalo. KC still has the 1 seed, but loses the benefit of the bye. KC would draw Miami/pitt/ or NE or NYJ. depending on how the other games all go. Third idea. It's a no contest. Life isn't fair. KC catches a huge break, gets the 1. Cincy is bitter because they can't get 1 or 2. Bills bitter becasue they can't get the 1. Baltimore bitter because they can't win division and get home playoff game. I know this isn't exactly an idea....but it's the defacto option at present. I want KC to have the 1 seed. I don't want a big fat asterisk next to it indicating KC would benefit by a man nearly dying on a football field. The only thing that I can think of in the "life isn't fair" case.... Back in the post merger NFL, Home playoff games were not determined by record. They had a rotation of which division winner would host from year to year. Specifically, I can remember the old St. Louis Cardinals, having won the NFC east in 1974...had to go on teh road in the divisional round and lost to the Vikings. The next year, they won the NFC east again, 11-3 record. Had to go on teh road and lost to the Rams. As it would turn out, the City of St Louis NEVER hosted an NFL playoff game the entire time the Cardinals were in St Louis from 1960 to 1988. I don't bring it up to compare any of that to a player dying and being revived on the field...only that there are many instances when things just are not fair for one reason or another. Unfortunately, as things are headed, it would appear that we are headed to a conclusion that isn't gonig to be fair.

Orlando Brown is a below average LT. He made the pro bowl because of his name and the team he plays on. He ranks WAY WAY WAY down the list in pass blocking. He's ok at run blocking, and I would add that he is a low motor player. Once he either makes he block or misses it..he's done..no hustle to keep trying to block, to get downfield and block, etc. Now..let me be clear. If The Chiefs could sign that guy for 10 mil per...FINE. That's his market value. He's a guy who has been able to stay on the field at least...and is capable. he struggles with speed rushers, badly. You CAN live with that ...but he wants to be paid like Tunsil. Tunsil is worthe that money. Brown is ABSOLUTELY not. We are a long way from the draft, and this isn't supposed to be an especially great OT year....there are a couple good prospects, but they'll go way up high. If KC doesn't pull a trade for Tunsil...I'd not be surprised to see KC expend serious draft captial to try and move up for the Northwestern OT or the Ohio State guy. If KC stays put, I'm kind of intrigued by Bergeron...the Syracuse OT....with that in mind..any of you folks up there have a first hand scouting report? We don't exactly get a lot of Orange football on TV down here in DFW.

I suspect the Bengals win the game, but I don't have a good feel for it.

No. we do not. Orlando Brown SUCKS.

I am certain Kansas City will be fully prepared to offer up a decent package of draft picks AND make Tunsil the highest paid LT.

Raiders getting hot is worrisome. They usually give us all we can handle

Ball back in your court. Looking forward to see how it plays out and playoffs.

I would like to reiterate, these are simply moves to stash veteran depth IN CASE it's needed down the stretch. KC has ZERO plans to activate and play any of these guys unless injuries occur. I cant' speak for the Bills, but KC has a young roster and so having some VETs around on the practice squad is just prudent roster management. KC had 10/11 active rookies on the roster play in the game this past sunday.

Allen Iverson, when reached from comment about this, had the following to say: "we talkin bout pratice........squad."

I am/was totally prepared to say that KC would have to win out for the 1 seed UNTIL the Jets switched to Mike White at QB. I'm not saying Mike White is some great QB. But he is a guy who has demonstrated he can play that postion well at times. I had the Bills 100% winning that Jets game if Zach Wilson was the starter. I know you lost to him and the Jets earlier......but I think that's alot like KC losing to the Colts. IT wasn't happening again. White makes me at least pause and think the Jets will be plucky. Either way. KC can win out and not worry with it but that's tough. The Bills are capable of winning out.

Regarding the Colts loss....yes...in the NFL on a given Sunday, anything CAN happen. Since Andy Ried become coach of the Chiefs in 2013- KC has only lost 5 division games. Mahomes since becoming the starting QB, has never lost a road division game. KC has won 13 straight VS Denver. Denver occaisionally puts of a fight VS KC, but more often those games are blowouts in KC's favor.

Best chance at Chiefs loss is @Bengals. Cincy has been sa thorn in KC side recently. Other than that, KC schedule is pretty easy going forward. Some thoughts on that - First whoever said Denver would pose a threat hasn't been paying attention to anything at all going on in Denver. That clown show is the biggest disaster in the NFL this year. KC still has 2 games against them. Sam Darnold COMFORTABLY beat them today. They sucked and had issues with WIlson and Hackett BEFORE now having probalby the most injuries in the NFL now. They are completely done. They are "cooked". Seattle @KC has the feel of a game KC should win handily but Seattle won't roll over. The Raiders game that remains is last game of year. Raiders will long ago elminated and might not have the best lineup on the field etc. Right now KC has no margin because the BIlls are right on their tail but I can see a Mike White led Jets team or the Dolphin perhaps tripping up the Bills. If KC wins next week, the road to the AFC title gets alot closer to running through KC again.

Imagine '91 January 27 When the kick went wide flying past the upright but on the wrong side Imagine all the Bills fans if it went the other way ah...... Imagine Thurmans lost helmet Kellys interceptions too Reed slamming his helmet Winning a SB is hard to do Imagine all the Bills fans if they could get a peice youoooo You may say some are dreamers But they aren't the only ones As long as the Bills have Allen Theres a chance to make a run Imagine Super Bowl 27 Led by 7 then the turnovers began At least a hustling Don Beebe Knocked the ball from Leon Letts hand Imagine all the Bills fans if the Bills could get it done youoooo You may say some are dreamers But they aren't the only ones Some people are just complainers and can't have any fun Imagine leading the super bowl at halftime and being in control but the last 2 quarters the offense lost it's flow Imagine all the Bills fans If they just had one Lombardi? youooooo You may say some are dreamers But they aren't the only ones Someday they'll get there And the fanbase will rejoice as one. (I am stuck at work tonight and trying anything to make this clock tick faster. Saw this post and thought, why not.)

That absolutely was not the same play