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I'd have prefferred they completed the pass, got a first down and then ran the clock down and kick. Avoid all this officials suck talk. Why is no one really actually upset at the player who got a big handful jersey right in front of the ref? In the 2018 AFCCG, LATE in the game, with KC leading by 4, Dee Ford lined up offside. Brady threw an INT. Ford didn't have any impact on the play at all. The INT would have secured the game and KC would have gone to the SB. It wasn't the first time Ford had lined up offside that game, but it was the first time he was flagged for it. It was a penalty. He did it. The ref saw and flagged it. IT changed the game. Why not swallow the whistle? It was called correctly. No one was pissed at the ref. Everyone was mad at Ford for committing a penalty. The Eagles DB got a handful of jersey and got a good tug on it. He admitted after the game he did it. The ref saw it and flagged it. Some will say "let the players decide the outcome!" Which players? The ones not committing penalties or the ones committing penalties.?

I enjoy the discourse here. Great site and I like the Bills when they aren't playing the Chiefs. Been following along since the Mahomes trade and the fanbase and Josh Allen won me over. This discussion seems fun..IDK.

LOL....well yeah, but we are discussing and speculating. IMO, the Bills would have been champs if not for 13 Seconds. Now of course anything could have happend. KC SHOULD have beaten Cincy in KC that year, but did not. I believe KC would have handled that Rams squad also. We''ll never know. What acutally happend was Cincy went, and lost to the Rams. Bills best shot was 13 seconds....but it's not their last shot.

Cincinnatti was actually a better squad this season than last year. The Bills were playing at their highest level when 13 Seconds happend. Allen was on point. The Bills would have hosted Cincy for the AFCCG. You can't tell me the Bills lose that game. KC was up 21-3 and it took Mahomes playing the worst half of football of his life to lose in OT. The Rams had all the could handle with Cincy and everyone is all up in arms about the holding penalty at the end of the games yestarday, but in theif game winning drive VS the Bengals, the Rams benefitted from FOUR penalties including a MUCH more ticky tack holding with 1:44 left. They needed all of that to eek out a win. The Bills would have had it.

I'll wait and see what the Jets get at QB. I think Miami is going to be a real B***h next year with Fangio running the defense. That dude knows how to slow down an opposing teams offense. He'll drag you down into the mud. Still take Allen and whatever roster you put out VS Tua and the Miami squad.

I don't disagree with this, but Vegas, as your team currently sits, has you with third best odds. That is Allen. Vegas doesn't much care what you put around him. They assume you'll field a comepetent team.

As other mentioned...Vegas has bills no worse than 3rd for Super Bowl odds next season. I see alot of fans here suggesting fix this or that, draft this or that. Sign this or that....and so on. You are no worse than 3rd in SB odds because of the QB. I don't claim to know what needs to be added, subtracted and so on for the Bills to be better. But I do know that Allen is a QB that you put on any roster and that team has a fighters chance. For a little perspective, and I've seen some posters go this direction....KC only had Mahomes, Kelce, Andrew Wiley (who isn't good) Chris Jones, Derrick Nhadi and Harrison Butker...plus the long snapper as holdovers from the 2019 Winner. KC had an entirely new WR corps from last year. KC had ALL new DB's and Nick Bolton started all year. He didn't last season. Point being that the constant was Mahomes and a few guys. Allen IS the type of QB you can reset / remake your team around completely and he's going to do good things. You ALWAYS have a chance.....and you are always in the discussion when your QB is elite. As Joe Burrow would say...."the window is Allens Career"

13 Seconds....that was your year...you all would have beaten the Rams.

Super Bowl 2022: Rams' winning TD fueled by controversial call (nypost.com)

For the "refs are in for KC" crowd....in tonights game and the Cincy game...KC had TD's taken back by review or penalty. Why if you are fixing it for KC do you take away TD's? That Goddeart 3rd and 16 catch...could have been overtrurned...we've all seen worse than that called a no catch...but it wasn't. KC had Jalen Hurtz stopped on one of those sneaks...and the whistle doesn't blow forever...and they finally push him over the line.... The Refs suck. They suck consistantly for everyone. I can name a ton of calls that didn't go KC's way, bad missed calls. Bad calls made. I can do that for every team in the league...we can all agree the officiating is terrible. But this fix crap is something else...

As a child this is how I felt about John Elway.

If this was Bills / Eagles, Id also predict 31-17 Bills. Cincy was the matchup the Eagles were better suited for. No O line, not a good running game AND no QB that can also run.

I am biased obviously, but I see KC handling this. Top Tier Defesnes do not deter KC. Philly was the most turnover dependent team in the NFL....they'll need to be plus 2 or better. KC going to have a game plan to get the ball out quick to negate Philly pass rush. I think Kadarious Toney has a big game on all the short quick stuff KC will run....and while their attention is on Kelce. KC, if they can get out front....Philly not a team built to come from behind in a track meet. On teh other hand, if Philly gets up early...KC has the confidence and roster to get back in it. Spags has been ON POINT with his gameplans since the bye week. And he had it dialed in vs the Bengals. I expect Spags is up to the challenge here. 31-17 KC. KC up 31-10 late. Philly gets garbage time score.

KC 31 Philly 17

KC was going to resign Hill untill the Christian Kirk deal reset the market. At that point, KC pivoted to the trade becasue they were not willing to pay the going rate. They COULD have, but it would have meant squeezing the cap even more. It wasn't about Hills role, although AFTER being traded and having a podcast, Hill said something about his target share (which is pretty silly, he was targetted a TON) Anyhow, once the money and cap didn't work anymore, then they moved on from Hill. Also...Diggs wouldn't bring back the return Hill did. Diggs is a really good WR, but he isn't as dynamic as HIll and he's more QB dependent than Hill is. Hill has now put up numbers with Alex Smith, Mahomes, and Tua...and you can make a case he helped Tua....which is why the Dolphins wanted him. FWIW, I think Diggs is with the Bills in 2023. No trade, and certainly not one where you guys get a 1 back from anyone.

I agree with this in so much as the Bills missed their best shot at a title when 13 Seconds happened. I'd only add that it shouldn't be the end of the Bills chances....but that loss and this years lost marks the end of low Allen cap hits and Beane is going to have to navigate a transition to having a QB with much higher cap hits. I'm not sure what you meant here exactly...but to clarify.....When KC got Mahomes, they had Eric Fisher already on the roster, drafted in 2013....and he wasn't especially good, although by the end of his tenure in KC had become decent. KC traded for RT Mitchell Schwartz in 2016. At any rate, both were on the roster long before Mahomes. KC notoriously neglected O line in drafts and FA for YEARS. Only after 2020 when KC lost both Fisher and Schwartz to injury, and with what was considered among the worst G-C-G combos in the NFL...they FINALLY had no choice but to rebuild the entire line. Point here is don't give credit to KC for anything good that happened with the line prior to 2020....KC was in error how they handled that. It's a minor miracle that they were able to completely rebuild the whole thing in one offseason following 2020 though. Traded for Orlando Brown (who isn't that good, but he's servicable) Drafted Humphrey and Trey Smith in that draft. Humphrey is an All-Pro and Smith is really good. Signed Joe Thuney in FA. Only RT is manned by a JAG now. This remarkable rebuild has allowed the Veach/Reid to avoid what normally would be loads of criticism for neglecting the line. While it SHOULD probably be time to reset and get the cap straight going forward with big Allen cap hits, it does make some sense to "run it back" one more time trying to keep the current window open with Allen/Diggs/Von and maybe some re-signings, with some cap kicked down the road, knowing the reset / reconfiguartion has to come after 2023. You're already on the hook for Diggs/Von anyhow....it's probably the best shot for the next few seasons. Again, the best shot was 13 seconds....maybe run it back one more season, but then it's going to be time to reinvent/reconfigure/reset......and that might also mean new coach and/or GM. ...it might be interesting to note that of all 56 Super Bowls, the Coach and QB for every team, hadn't been together more than 5 years. Any coach and QB who doesn't get to a SB in 5 years together, has NEVER gotten to one.

I have a lot of thoughts on this. (and if you don't like my thoughts, don't read the post) I am ok with the current NFL setup, although I preferred the 6 team per conference and byes for the 1 and the 2, instead of the 7, with only 1 bye....but I'm good with the current version. I also don't mind the occasional crap team division winner getting a home game. You won the division. You host a playoff game. I also don't need reseeding. you earned the seed you are in the regular season. The NFL regular season is the best because the games are all very meaningful and alot of teams are still in the hunt up to the last couple weeks. IT's great! I am not an NBA fan, but clearly too many teams make it, the regular season is meaningless and they tell you so by how often they opt for "load management" If you are a sports league where you sit your star players because they are playing too much...you are telling everyone, you are playing too many games....and that they don't all matter. Horrible The NHL is similar to the NBA..too many games. Too many teams in. The NHL should go to a 50 game schedule and have 6 teams per conference in. Play with fresher players, have the games all matter more, and...perhaps the best part...have your season be playing the Stanley cup finals at the end of FEB/Beginning of march...right before March Maddness. The NFL season is over, March Madness hasn't started yet. You get basically all of FEB to showcase the best your sport has to offer, to a bunch of people still holed up indoors during cold winter. Own FEB. I know, more than any other pro sport, the NHL makes revenue on gate, but put out a better product and have it on TV with more eyes on it and that might improve. Also....shootouts suck. Last.....If you are the hometeam in an NFL game, playoffs or otherwise.....you are HOME. Any advantage should go to the hometeam. OT shoulnd't have a coin toss. Hometeam gets call on to take ball (or not) and it's sudden death. Wanna win? beat the team in regulation.

I would not have thought so at the time, and maybe I'm still not sure, but perhaps the Bills should have taken OT Tyler Smith? He went with the very next pick. Nor really sure what else might have been better than going with Elam.

Good morning to you to. I didn't start the topic, just adding some information in here in the spirit of what the OP is saying.

Yes, big mistake in 2020. Tee Higgins was very next pick.

There is a really good thread here somewhere debating that. There is video of the Bills war room when KC trades up and takes McDuffie. They all look very unhappy and even comment that KC

If KC hadn't nailed the 22 draft, we wouldn't be in the SB. This was supposed to be a reset year. Alot of KC twitter and talking heads are clammoring right now about some of the preseason predictions of KC missing playoffs or barely making wild card, not winning division...but if we (KC fans) are being honest, those people weren't just basing that on nothing. KC traded Tyreek Hill Lost CB Charvarious Ward in FA (started all year for SF, played very well) Lost S Tyrann Mathieu (was making too many business decisions his last year, but still good) Lodt DT Jarran Reed (starter, didn't live up to expectations in KC anyhow) Lost EDGE Melvin Ingram Lost MLB Anthony Hitchens (I say lost here, but he sucked, but was the starter at MLB) Lost RB Darrell Williams (was teams leading rusher in '21 and led in Rushing TD with 6) Lost CB Mike Hughes (started 6 games) Lost S Dan Sorenson (another who I say lost, but was glad to see go) Lost WR Byron Pringle (3rd on team with 5 TD catches 5th in recptons with 42) Everyone talks about losing Tyreek but KC churned the roster A LOT. It's understandable to think a team losing this much starting experience and production, would struggle. It's also notable KC nailed the draft in 21 also. Traded the 1 for Orlando Brown (who isn't that good, but he's better than what KC had heading into 2021, wich was nothing at all at OT) 2nd Creed Humphrey - All Pro Center 6th Trey Smith - Starting guard 2nd NIck Bolton - Starting LB (and is good) 5th Noah Gray - solid contributor at TE KC also got 2 key starters from 2020 - 2nd LB Willie Gay 4th CB LaJarious Snead 10 high quality, CHEAP, starters from the last 3 drafts, but the 2022 draft is the hallmark. On top of this, KC did NOT restructure Mahomes this year to kick money down the road, they ate the entire 36 mil cap, which only helps later on. That's how you stay on top when your QB cap hits start getting big. KC's FA signings have been decent also. I'm not bragging. I am posting this to demonstrate that the Bills are going to need to do better drafting as Allens cap hits now start to take up a big chunk.

I agree with the OP. This stuff matters. but I want to put another spin on it...and if this has been brought up in another thread(s) forgive me...I haven't read through them all here. Damar happening didn't help. Like everyone, I am so happy he lived and is alive but adding that to a all the other emotially draining events of this season was too much...and here is why I tihink so. The Bills already had the minor burden of being the odds on favorite to advance to and win the SB in the preseason and your hot start did nothing but add fuel to that fire. When it became clear that Demar was going to live and recover....from the outside looking in, it seemed like that was supposed to almost automatically propel the Bills to the SB....like that whole sequence of Damar dying and living meant that the Bills were all but a foregone conclusion to win it all becaue it surely had to be their destiny and now there was this insirational figure and story added to it... So in my opinion, the emotial lift from that was basically the kickoff return VS the Pats and then after that, the burden of delivering on all the expectations and fulfilling the destiny that the story says you will....that's pressure. ...add in that a narrative developed that you benefitted from not playing the conclusion of that game...that's alot.

Fun stat - The last first time NFL Head Coach with a DC background to win a Super Bowl was Mike Tomlin in 2008 season. 5 non defensive first time Head coaches have won a superbowl since then. Also of note, In the entire history of the NFL, for ALL 56 Super Bowls..... No Head Coach and QB combo who had been together more than 5 years without a Super Bowl, ever made it to one, let alone win one. ....so if your coach and QB are together 5 years and you don't have a Super Bowl together, you aint getting one. None of that is encouraging for McDermott / Allen.

Here is the main problem. (the other problem is that your defense plays worse in playoff games than it's regular season ranking says it should) I don't really need to go over every single Beane draft pick. They aren't all bad, but somehow Beane did the same thing KC did a few years ago. Drafted a bunch of D players and RB. ignored O line. It's not too late to fix as you now head into Allens high cap hits, but the good drafting has to start NOW. After KC completely screwed the pooch in the 2018 draft (just flat out awful draft for KC) they have gotten better up to and including all 10 drafted players making the team this season and having 4 of those start, and 4 more of them play major snaps. Only the 7th round S and the 5th rd OT/OG didn't play. The Bills need to get something similar going. If you do, you will still be competing for titles.