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Biden is currently leading in states with a total of 290 EC votes. Those states are considered solid/likely/leaning Democrat. Trump is currently leading in solid/likely/leaning Republican states with a total of 163 EC votes. There are only 85 EC votes in the so-called toss up or swing states that can go either way. If Biden holds his leads in states where he's currently leading, Trump is toast even if Biden loses all the toss up states.

Why do you think it could not be historically bad for Trump? In 1928, Republican Herbert Hoover won all the states except 7, taking 444 electoral votes to 87 for his opponent, Al Smith. Then the Great Depression happened. In 1932, Franklin Roosevelt won all but 6 states and beat Hoover 472 electoral votes to 59. The coronavirus pandemic is the biggest crisis the US has faced since the Great Depression. The 2020 election is a referendum on how Trump has handled the pandemic, and all indications are that most Americans give him a failing grade on that.

I'll think about changing the lines above the stats. It somewhat depends upon the pandemic news that comes out today -- and whether Trump says something else outrageous or untrue about pandemic. The title of this thread is "Covid 19 vs Trump". I started it to highlight the consequences of Trump's failure to deal effectively with the pandemic and his decision to politicize public health policies. The rising number of deaths from the coronavirus is the starkest indictment of Trump's total leadership failure. When the coronavirus disappears like Covid Donnie has been predicting it would for six months -- or he's no longer the POTUS -- then this thread can disappear, too. You don't have to read the thread if its content isn't something you're interested in. -

Don't be a dumbass like Covid Donnie and his sycophants. Be smart and get your flu shot. Be smarter and wear a mask and practice social distancing. October 16, 2020 - At a campaign rally Covid Donnie once again claimed that the US has "turned the corner" with the coronavirus despite the fact the US recorded 69+k new cases yesterday, the highest number of new cases since July. October 16, 2020 - US recorded the highest number of new cases -- 61+K -- overnight in 2 months. October 13, 2020 - The U of Washington's IHME projects that more than 363,000 Americans could die of the coronavirus by January 1, 2021 and more than 394,000 by February 1, 2021 with the seasonal flu making the coronavirus more deadly. October 18, 2020 - 219,672 Americans have died of coronavirus with a single day death toll of 361. October 17, 2020 - 219,311 Americans have died of coronavirus with a single day death toll of 709. October 16, 2020 - 218,602 Americans have died of coronavirus with a single day death toll of 885. October 15, 2020 - 217,717 Americans have died of coronavirus with a single day death toll of 813. October 14, 2020 - 216,904 Americans have died of coronavirus with a single day death toll of 909. Average daily deaths from coronavirus, October 14-18, 2020: 735 Average daily deaths from coronavirus, October 7-13, 2020: 851 Average daily deaths from coronavirus, September 30-October 6, 2020: 707 October 13, 2020 - 215,995 Americans have died of coronavirus. October 6, 2020 - 210,909 Americans have died of coronavirus. October 1, 2020 - 21,311 Americans died of coronavirus in the month of September, an average of 710 per day. October 1, 2020 - 207,808 Americans have died of coronavirus. September 1, 2020 - 185,594 Amercians have died of coronavirus. July 1, 2020 - 127,299 Americans have died of coronavirus.

Kinda how I see it.

Isn't that Covid Donnie's line --- "I don't know anything about Qanon, but ...."? If you truly don't know, then I suggest you look it up. Lots of info on these nutcases. I'm not a hypocrite pretending to mourn the departure of a bunch of crybabies who got their panties in a wad because they have to share PPP with posters with different views from their own. That's the real cause of their departures. PPP is not an adjunct of the Trump re-election campaign, FOX News, the Republican Party, the alt Right or Qanon. It's a forum for anyone who wishes to discuss politics regardless of their affiliation. If you* can't deal with that or you don't like it, well, that's your problem not mine. * that's a generic "you" not specifically you, njbuff

What exactly is a "fos democrat"?

What "mass exodus" from PPP? A handful of alt-Rightists and Qanon morons? No great loss.

I think you are correct. We let our guards down around people we know. I was exposed to Covid-19 (not infected) when I walked my dog with a friend at a local park. That friend didn't know that she'd been infected because she had no symptoms. We didn't wear masks but we were at least 4-6 feet apart on the walk. I lucked out but somebody else might not have been so lucky which is how the virus spreads so invidiously.

I'm a pretty far left of center Democrat, but I have never doubted that the POTUS loved his country, even Richard Nixon whom I once thought was one of the worse POTUS ever. Trump, however, doesn't. There have always been self-serving politicians "looking out for #1" on the local, state, and federal level since the very beginning of the Republic. Aaron Burr was perhaps the most famous one from the early national period. I think, however, that very few of them have managed to get elected as POTUS. Of the handful who have, Trump is by far the worst. The US and its people are nothing more than a resource for Covid Donnie to exploit to stroke his ego. He cares for nobody or nothing but himself and his personal gratification. The well being of his staff and his followers mean nothing to him as his actions before and after his bout with covid-19 and his recent campaign rallies repeatedly demonstrate. The well being of the American people as a whole means less than nothing. He will sacrifice anyone and anything, including this country and its institutions, to get what he wants. I live in a very Republican area of New York State, so I know lots of Republicans, most of whom are good people. Fundamentally, local Democrats and Republicans here all want the same thing, we just see different paths to get there, and that's what politics in this country should be. I think that's true in most of the country, red state or blue state. Unfortunately, I think Lord Acton's famous quote comes into play as politicians climb up the political food chain: "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." That is strikingly appropriate for Donald Trump's re-election campaign. Hopefully you're right about the election outcome. It does look like Covid Donnie's attempts at voter suppression may very well backfire. As of this morning, 22+ million early votes have been cast (15% of the total votes cast in 2016), and most states are reporting huge increases in absentee/mail-in ballots.

Don't be a dumbass like Covid Donnie and his sycophants. Be smart and get your flu shot. Be smarter and wear a mask and practice social distancing. October 16, 2020 - At a campaign rally Covid Donnie once again claimed that the US has "turned the corner" with the coronavirus despite the fact the US recorded 69+k new cases yesterday, the highest number of new cases since July. October 16, 2020 - US recorded the highest number of new cases -- 61+K -- overnight in 2 months. October 13, 2020 - The U of Washington's IHME projects that more than 363,000 Americans could die of the coronavirus by January 1, 2021 and more than 394,000 by February 1, 2021 with the seasonal flu making the coronavirus more deadly. October 17, 2020 - 219,311 Americans have died of coronavirus with a single day death toll of 709. October 16, 2020 - 218,602 Americans have died of coronavirus with a single day death toll of 885. October 15, 2020 - 217,717 Americans have died of coronavirus with a single day death toll of 813. October 14, 2020 - 216,904 Americans have died of coronavirus with a single day death toll of 909. Average daily deaths from coronavirus, October 14-17, 2020: 829 Average daily deaths from coronavirus, October 7-13, 2020: 851 Average daily deaths from coronavirus, September 30-October 6, 2020: 707 October 13, 2020 - 215,995 Americans have died of coronavirus. October 6, 2020 - 210,909 Americans have died of coronavirus. October 1, 2020 - 21,311 Americans died of coronavirus in the month of September, an average of 710 per day. October 1, 2020 - 207,808 Americans have died of coronavirus. September 1, 2020 - 185,594 Amercians have died of coronavirus. July 1, 2020 - 127,299 Americans have died of coronavirus.

Actually, shoshin originally posted the link in this thread, so he should get the thanks. I'd seen it before but I didn't post the link originally.

I smell a rat in this story that your wife's hairdresser is telling and in the claims of the dentist in the news story, Rob Raimondi. That story was published in early August, less than 4 months after Cuomo issued his mask mandate. Hair salons in most of NY only opened in May, and in NYC only in late June. Raimondi operates in Manhattan (I looked him up) so he'd be seeing patients from within NYC. Gum disease isn't a problem that develops over a few weeks but over months or more commonly, years, of poor oral hygiene. Wearing masks may very well exacerbate existing gum problems but it's not likely to have caused the problem within weeks or months in people who didn't have gum disease to begin with. Moreover, I'm suspicious of this claim because health care workers have been wearing masks for hours at a time for decades without having noticeable gum problems, but this "problem" suddenly surfaces within months of the governor issuing a mask mandate.

How about the national vote margin on December 8, which is the deadline, I think, for states to declare a winning candidate so that their electoral votes counted by the EC. With all the millions of early voters, I think that all the states will have enough of the absentee/mail-in votes counted by then to declare state winners.

Probably the same place he planned to go if he lost in 2016, his bestie Vlad's town.

That's the map that I was thinking of when I said "who gets the states right". A dozen or so posters could get the right overall number of EC votesm but the winner would be the one who got the most states right to come up with the winning EC count.

Because somebody else named Donald J. Gunther applied for an absentee ballot and it was sent to the wrong address. Unfortunately, the live Donald J. Gunther won't get his ballot unless the BOE is notified and sends him a new one. Of course, the ballot could have come from out of state.

No, it means that the Democratic Party's base is far closer to the center of the political spectrum than to the left wing, so the far left makes a lot of noise but doesn't control the party. The Democratic base picked Biden through the primary process because he's centrist like they are. He's too conservative in his views for most of the far left of the party to really like him, but unlike in 2016, they'll vote for him because he's better than Trump. Only Republicans think Biden is some kind of hidden lefty, and that's because the Republican base has ceded the center to the Democrats and the just right of center to independents.

It's not peculiar at all. Democrats flirted with nominating base candidates back in the 70s and 80s, and learned that success in winning the presidency stems from appealing to not only to Democrats but winning over independents and some disaffected Republicans. Since 1992 -- 7 presidential elections -- the Democrats have won the popular vote in every single presidential election except 2004, although they lost the Electoral College in 2000 and 2016.

I think in order to make any kind of educated guess, you have to look at the individual states anyway, so I'll go with the guessing the map. How about who gets the most states correct?

The world has changed a lot since in the last 8 months.

Don't be a dumbass like Covid Donnie and his sycophants. Be smart and get your flu shot. Be smarter and wear a mask and practice social distancing. October 16, 2020 - At a campaign rally Covid Donnie once again claimed that the US has "turned the corner" with the coronavirus despite the fact the US recorded 69+k new cases yesterday, the highest number of new cases since July. October 16, 2020 - US recorded the highest number of new cases -- 61+K -- overnight in 2 months. October 13, 2020 - The U of Washington's IHME projects that more than 363,000 Americans could die of the coronavirus by January 1, 2021 and more than 394,000 by February 1, 2021 with the seasonal flu making the coronavirus more deadly. October 16, 2020 - 218,602 Americans have died of coronavirus with a single day death toll of 885. October 15, 2020 - 217,717 Americans have died of coronavirus with a single day death toll of 813. October 14, 2020 - 216,904 Americans have died of coronavirus with a single day death toll of 909. Average daily deaths from coronavirus, October 14-16, 2020: 869 Average daily deaths from coronavirus, October 7-13, 2020: 851 Average daily deaths from coronavirus, September 30-October 6, 2020: 707 October 13, 2020 - 215,995 Americans have died of coronavirus. October 6, 2020 - 210,909 Americans have died of coronavirus. October 1, 2020 - 21,311 Americans died of coronavirus in the month of September, an average of 710 per day. October 1, 2020 - 207,808 Americans have died of coronavirus. September 1, 2020 - 185,594 Amercians have died of coronavirus. July 1, 2020 - 127,299 Americans have died of coronavirus.

Maybe what some posters ought to consider is NOT posting every retort that they've typed. Let some of the bull manure just go by.

And your point? Monica Lewinsky was over 21 and she knew what she wanted and got it. This is about as relevant as Thomas Jefferson keeping his slave mistress Sally Hemmings in the White House.