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6 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:
Da Fug?!?!
Which skill? Breaking through the LOS on a carry and averaging over a yard less than Cooke while looking patheticly slow in comparison?
How about blocking? How about running pass routes? NFL RBs are expected to do both well if they want to be starters. My guess is that Cook took awhile to master those skills well enough.
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35 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:
I'm not happy with this move either but honestly I can't believe Beane would just make this move without something up his sleeve as I can't imagine his plan is to go into this season with what have now. Granted I'm not a fan of trading up to get a better WR prospect as no guarantee a rookie going to step in as a WR1 no matter who he is.
It used to take about 3 years for WRs to come into their own. I don't think that's true any more for the WRs rated at the top of the class -- or for some later draft picks who have talent and are willing to work really hard to improve their skills like Nacua. I think coaching at the top collegiate programs has really improved, and there are also lots of camps or "schools" for WRs to learn fundamentals. I also think that many collegiate football players who are aiming for potential NFL careers prepare for that as seriously as other college students who want to become doctors or scientists or musicians.
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17 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:
Yeah, but were they playing for McD….. the guy who put rookie Cooke in the dog house? Cooke who was averaging 5.7?!?! A guy who only had to have the ball handed to him, not run routes.
The idea that a rookie ( or rookies) are going to come in and BE ALLOWED to contribute goes against what we know about this HC.
Your take is pure bull manure! McDermott plays his high round draft picks -- I think all of his first rounders except Elam started all or most of their games as rookies. He also starts his second rounders ... like O'Cyrus Torrence last season. Cook didn't play much as a rookie because he wasn't good enough. He got plenty of PT as a sophomore when he mastered the skills he needed to start for the Bills. Elam didn't play much as a rookie or sophomore because his play wasn't good enough.
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1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:
Tyreek Hill was worth 2x 1sts. Diggs is worth a 2025 2nd? Ouch
Football players, particularly WRs, aren't like houses in good neighborhoods; they depreciate rather than appreciate. Hill was about 3 years younger than Diggs.
A 31-year-old WR with a big contract isn't going to bring anything near as much as a 20-something WR with whom the new team can negotiate a new contract.
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3 minutes ago, Figster said:
You expect 1st overall draft picks to become Champions when teams draft them. 10% of this list did. Eli bucked the draft system and Stafford waited for years until traded to the right team.
That's nonsense. QBs play for teams, the make-up of which is controlled by other people. Moreover, winning a Super Bowl, especially when a team gets into the playoffs, is often dependent upon things totally out of the QB's control like injuries, penalties, defensive plays, special team plays, and good or bad luck.
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On 3/31/2024 at 3:02 PM, Figster said:
Yet no championship until he is traded so go figure...
...Detroit goes further with good coaching then they ever did with Stafford...
Detroit goes a lot further since Sheila Ford Hamp became the principal owner of the Lions in 2020 and replaced Bob Quinn with Brad Holmes as GM in 2021.
The Bills got a lot further when Terry Pegula became the owner of the Bills in 2013 and finally replaced Russ Brandon as head of the organization in 2018. With Brandon Beane finally given real power as GM, the Bills fired all of their offensive assistants except Daboll and hired a real QB coach for Allen who went from a raw rookie who flashed potential to a pretty good NFL QB in his second year.
On 3/31/2024 at 3:25 PM, Figster said:Star collegiate athletes probably think the current Drafting procedure is terrible.
I'm just trying to fixit Jay ; )
If star collegiate athletes don't want to play for the bottom-dweller du jour, they can a) go play in Canada and play for a lot less money until they become NFL free agents or b) go to work in ordinary entry-level jobs like millions of other college drop-outs or grads or c) finish their degrees or go to grad/professinal schools. Nobody is being forced to play in the NFL for millions of dollars annually.
21 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:No offense... But I can tell football fans.. from people who have been around the game for a long time in a professional standpoint... Paid to coach the game
You're literally trying to argue that situation's don't impact players which is the biggest thing for professional quarterbacks and players
Josh Allen would certainly be better today if he got to sit and learn behind tyrod Taylor or Ryan Fitzpatrick for a year or two... Josh Allen is a Hall of Fame quarterback with some quirks that still pop out under duress... Sitting and learning on the bench helps alleviate those quirks... Mahomes had quirks... Sitting for an entire year help his muscle memory... Helped eliminate quarks under pressure... Josh didn't eliminate those .. he still one of the best quarterbacks in the world... But reverts to bad quirks under pressure... You can really alleviate that with time which he didn't get... Manning didn't get it either and he's one of the best ever.. Brady did get it and he's better
Jared Goff didn't get sacked 70 times as a rookie and get his brain scrambled.. he was behind a good yet old school NFL coach... Jeff Fisher maybe wasn't ready for the new school of the NFL... Certainly knows the psyche behind developing a young player
Peyton Manning had 28 interceptions as a rookie that doesn't mean he was ruined... Because he was getting raised the correct way to know that's not an issue... The support to keep him positive... You're on a bad team 28 interceptions is okay
And Jared Goff is average , certainly not an NFL superstar... So a number one pick who is supposed to be in All pro... Has became an average NFL quarterback Due to circumstances
Patrick mahomes... Was passed on by 9 NFL teams... Tyreek Hill called him trash as a rookie... But he got to learn the NFL game from the bench... Behind a pro bowl quarterback... And the best quarterback coach of the last 30 years
And he developed beautifully because he wasn't thrown to the fire...
Getting thrown to the fire is the death sentence of a young NFL quarterback... If you can survive being thrown to the fire as a QB you're basically an NFL Hall of famer
Andrew Luck was "thrown into the fire" and led the Colts to the playoffs as a rookie. He led the Colts to the playoffs every season that he played most of the season. His career was shortened by injury, which could be attributed to the Colts' failure to give him a better OL, but not by not by starting as a rookie.
You don't know that Allen would have been better if he sat his entire rookie season. IMO, many of Allen's problems, especially early on, were psychological and mental. He did need to sit for a while as a rookie, but what he really needed, was a real QB coach not some guy who had 1 year of QB coaching experience at a college some 20 years before. The Bills remedied that in 2019, and Allen made massive improvements during his sophomore season and continued to get better.
7 hours ago, Figster said:Bad teams already are staying bad teams for a long time. The Bills didn't make the playoffs for over two decades. So unless you want to call an 8 - 8 season good nothing changed until the Bills hired the McBeane regime. It had ZERO to do with the draft.
ZERO...
Perpetually losing teams result from issues with ownership IMO. See my reply above about the Lions and the Bills.
6 hours ago, Figster said:I'm saying it was our GM and HC that changed everything not WHERE we picked in the draft. Same can be said for the Lions.
Comprende?
What owners want from their team and how they go about achieving their goals determines whether a team is a perpetual loser or a team that gets better. FTR, under Ralph Wilson as owner and Russ Brandon as defacto owner, the Bills seldom re-signed their best home-grown talent and used the draft to fill the holes that resulted by letting their best players walk in free agency or by trading them away.
When Pegula finally fired Brandon in 2018 and gave Beane full GM powers (including control of coaching payroll budgets), the Bills truly began their ascent in the AFC.
If Brandon was still in charge, Allen wouldn't have reached his full potential until he was playing for another team.
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These are the QBs drafted #1 overall since 2000 -
2001 - Michael Vick
2002 - David Carr
2003 - Carson Palmer
2004 - Eli Manning
2005 - Alex Smith
2007 - JaMarcus Russell
2009 - Matthew Stafford
2010 - Sam Bradford
2011 - Cam Newton
2012 - Andrew Luck
2015 - Jameis Winston
2016 - Jared Goff
2018 - Baker Mayfield
2019 - Kyler Murray
2020 - Joe Burrow
2021 - Trevor Lawrence
IMO, I see 1 outright bust -- JaMarcus Russell -- and maybe 1 QB who failed primarily because of the team he was drafted by -- David Carr. Most of the QBs were at least fairly successful NFL QBs even though they generally played for poor teams at the beginning of their careers.
I think your argument for changing the way the NFL draft works is not supported by the facts, so I would "no" to your plan to change the NFL draft.
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6 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:
Of course not, I think McDermott is a good coach tho and can win in a variety of ways. I also think Andy Reid would win 9
games with someone like Blaine Gabbert. Both are good coaches who happen to have elite talents at QB
Good teams are good not just because they have a good/great QB. They're good because they not only have talented rosters, but they also have good/great coaches who get the most out of the talent they have available.
4 hours ago, Dillenger4 said:I get your point - but not a chance. Without Allen we would be a 3 win team, maybe. Just like most NFL teams.
Are you really a Bills fan? You certainly have a low opinion of them. Only a single team -- the Panthers -- had fewer than 4 wins in 2023 and only 3 teams had 4 wins.
In 2023, these teams that lost their starting QBs averaged 8.2 wins. Half of these teams won more games than they lost and one had double digit wins and made the playoffs.
- The Browns lost Watson but still won 11 games.
- The Bengals lost Burrow but still won 9 games.
- The Colts lost Richardson but still won 9 games.
- The Jests lost Rodgers but still won 7 games.
- The Vikings lost Cousins but still won 7 games.
- The Giants lost Jones but still won 6 games.
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1 hour ago, JimBob2232 said:
ya. Same as us until Josh. And a “lesser QB” because they are drafted later is a bad rubric. By this measure, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Roger’s and Ben Roethlisbirger were all “lesser QBs”.All four of those QBs were considered likely to go in the top ten. In fact, Rodgers was expected to go #1 overall in 2005. I think that QBs that aren't/weren't considered likely to go at the top half of the first round and who were drafted in the second half of the first round are those I'd consider "lesser QBs": Lamar Jackson (2018), Paxton Lynch (2016), Johnny Manziel (2014), Teddy Bridgewater (2014), EJ Manuel (2013), Brandon Weeden (2012), Tim Tebow (2010), Joe Flacco (2009), Brady Quinn (2007), Jason Campbell (2005), and JP Losman (2004). Only Flacco and Jackson have become successful NFL starters. Bridgewater had a decent career.
In the 2024 draft, the four QBs talked about as likely to go at the top of first round are Williams, Daniels, Maye and McCarthy.
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51 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:
I agree. And yet they beat us last season and the one before. With their additions this past off-season they will be better. That's all I'm saying. We too have "new" OC and new DC. We will see.
I agree to a point. Highlighted above: If we lost Josh last season on opening day our season would have been even messier than it was. Not many teams in teh NFL can overcome that. Anyway, we will see. Exciting games coming this season that's for sure!
Divisional games are always wars, especially for the divisional doormats. When the Raiders finally beat the Chiefs in KC a few years ago, they drove their team buses around the stadium jeering all the way. Sweeping divisional rivals is exceptionally hard.
Losing your starting QB is almost always a disaster but good FOs can sometimes mitigate the problem. When the Vikings lost Cousins, they traded for Joshua Dobbs. When the Browns lost Watson, they brought in Flacco -- and they made the playoffs. IMO, the Jests FO just gave up when Rodgers went down and Wilson quickly demonstrated he wasn't a NFL QB. That's a loser's attitude.
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13 hours ago, JimBob2232 said:
The thing that scares me is if they hit on a QB. A good defense. A solid offense. And if they get a young QB playing on a rookie deal - they could be a real contender. Not concerned with Aaron Rodgers though. Dude is done.
Don't worry too much. The Jests haven't hit on a QB in 2 decades (Chad Pennington, 2000), and they've only hit on 2 QBs in the draft in 60 years (Namath). It's not that they haven't tried: Mark Sanchez (#5) in 2009, Sam Darnold (#3) in 2018, Zach Wilson (#2) in 2021. Chicago, Washington, and NE all need QBs, so I doubt they'll trade out of the top three spots. The Giants may take a QB at #6. That leaves the Jests to go for one of the lesser QBs -- or trade up to get ahead of the Giants for the fourth best QB in the draft.
30 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:
The Jets sold their souls to win Super Bowl 3. They’ll be paying for it forever. Two years ago, Breece Hall got injured. Last year it was Rodgers. I expect injuries on their defense this year.Pay back is a you-know-what!!!! Then again, I have to thank them for their sacrifice!
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One of the great groups of the early 1960s ... the Drifters (1962)
and how different popular music sounded just a few years later ... the Byrds (1967)
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6 hours ago, Dillenger4 said:
I respect your opinion. But this is the furthest ting from reality. Jets will be a power team in the AFCE. We will dog fight it out with them and miami who is also quietly building a good roster. I do believe the Jets will be our main comp in the AFCE no doubt. If they were smart, they will move up and snag a good QB. Not out of the question.....
Building a winning team takes more than simply assembling a group of talented players. Neither the Jests' FO nor their coaching staff have shown they can turn a bunch of guys, even talented guys, into an effective team, especially on offense. They also haven't shown that they can handle adversity well as last season demonstrated. I will remain skeptical that they can even win more games than they lose until they actual do it. The Jests have the stink of perpetual loser about them, and that's always a sign that the problems with the franchise are much further up the team food chain than the players on the field.
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9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
They’ve been pretty quiet this offseason, just building one of the best rosters in the league.
Say what you want about Saleh but when he arrived they were 2-14 with one of the worst rosters in the league.
^^^
1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:This offseason, they signed Ravens starting guard John Simpson. They traded for Ravens longtime starting RT Morgan Moses. They signed all-pro LT Tyron Smith, who did miss four games last season but was otherwise dominating. They have 2023 2nd round pick Joe Tippman at center, and the highly talented Alijah Vera-Tucker, who is now healthy, will be the other guard.
Their problem is no longer offensive line; it’s second receiver. However, this is a great receiver draft and they have the 10th pick.
I will address both these posts below:
The Jests FO with help from their coaches have again built a great team on paper but we all know that the Jests are the champs of winning the off-season. They've built a roster filled with lots of expensive, older, often injured players that makes it absolutely necessary for them to make a serious playoff run in 2024 because not only are they're operating in "win now" mode, but because the owner is likely to fire their collective arses if they fail to make the playoffs again.
Salah simply hasn't shown that he's a good enough HC to even get his team to the playoffs much less win in the post-season. The AFC remains significantly tougher than the NFC, so just getting to the playoffs will be hard. In the AFCE, the Jets likely have to get past the Bills and/or Fins to grab a playoff berth. It's likely that multiple AFCN teams make the playoffs again (three made the playoffs last season, including 1 with a backup QB and the other with a pretty poor starting QB).
Moreover, several of the moves the Jests made last season, most notably signing Rodgers' buddies and then failing to sign an adequate back QB after Rodgers' injury, suggests that there's dysfunction and/or incompetence in the FO. I got the impression that essentially everyone on the Jests bent over backwards to accommodate Rodgers. Maybe this wasn't their choice but a dictate from owner Woody Johnson.
IMO, the chances of the Jests making the playoffs is south of 50% because they are depending upon a HC who hasn't demonstrated much growth after several years in the job and so many older players with injury histories to make it through the entire season unscathed.
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21 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:
This is a falsehood. If anything sets you up for failure, it is wasting draft picks trading up for a specific player.
I think it depends upon the specific player they draft -- and the priorities of the FO that led them to make that trade. It's easy for fans to say, "we have to draft a QB in this draft!" but that's not always possible.
It was a big-time fail when the Bills determined they were going to take a QB in the first round of the 204 draft, so they traded their 2005 first rounder plus a second rounder and another pick to move back into the first to take JP Losman at #22 after taking Lee Evans at #13 when the top three prospects in that draft class (Manning, Rivers, and Roethlisberger) were gone by pick #11. If a QB isn't a good value to take at #13 why ever would you trade so much to take him 9 picks later?
It was also a fail in 2013 when the Bills traded back to take EJ Manuel because he wasn't really a first round prospect at all -- none of the QBs in the 2013 class were -- but the Bills took him anyway.
Drafting a QB in the first round -- and having him play early -- is a sure way to excite fans into buying tickets, especially if the team has missed the playoffs for several years. The top priority of the Bills FO during Ralph Wilson's last years was to maximize profits by putting butts in the seats.
It sure wasn't a fail for the Bills to trade up to #7 in 2018 to take Josh Allen. I doubt that they would have made that move up to draft any of the other QBs in the 2018 draft because McBeane's top priority has always been to win football games, and they wanted Allen. Would they have settled for one of the other first round QBs in 2018 if Allen was gone earlier? I'm really not sure.
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7 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:
Come on Jersey. Have you watched either guy play the past couple seasons? Fields will get swallowed up by the AFC North. And Wilson has fallen off a cliff the past few years. If say Washington or the Giants had made these moves everyone would be saying they are a 5 win team at best. Because it’s Pittsburgh, and King Tomlin it has to be the bomb. Everyone seems to revere Tomlin. But McDermott gets all sorts of flack on here, when he has been a much better coach of a much better team over the past 7 years.
The difference between Pittsburgh and Washington and/or the Giants is that the Stillers have an elite defense, an excellent running game, and a solid OL and decent receivers. IOW, they're a much better team than either the Commanders or Giants. In fact, the Stillers have the same kind of team that Wilson had during his successful seasons with the Seahawks.
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8 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:
What if it turns out that McGovern actually makes a great Center? What if he was sitting there waiting for Morse to retire? Do we know that he isn’t?
Asking that question means that you are just another one of the lemmings who think that maybe, just maybe, Beane and McDermott actually might know what they're doing.
5 hours ago, Sweats said:You know, for years i've always just wanted the big "splash" player in the drafts, but i saw an interview with The Hoodie a couple of years back and it completely changed my mindset.
I can't remember the interview word for word, but it was basically about how a good OLineman can anchor the trenches for years, help protect the QB (arguably a teams biggest asset)....they are for the most part fairly cheap at re-negotiating contracts, no divas involved and can play the position for a long time.
The interview actually made a lot of sense to me and completely changed my whole mindset.
Watching Russ Brandon trade away All Pro LT Jason Peters and replacing him with waiver-wire refugees in 2009 convinced me of the importance of having a solid OL. I think it was 2 or 3 years before the Bills got around to even drafting an actual LT.
4 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:Bills need WR and Edge in the worst way for 2024 but even more so for 2025.
I don't hate taking a C in the first round but they can do that next year. This year getting younger better pass rush and planning for a life without Diggs is the priority.
Prioritizing need over talent sets up a team for failure. A team like the Bills has to make its high draft picks count because the draft is the best place to find the difference makers they need. If there's a WR and/or DE as well as a C on the board that the Bills have graded as first round talents, they should take the one they think is likely to become a stud. If there's a first round C on the board but none of the WRs or DEs left are close to his quality, it's a no-brainer to take the C.
1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said:Who was the last great center drafted in the NFL? Not good. But great. Dermonti Dawson or Dwight Stephenson back in the 90's? There have been some good ones. Humphrey for KC is good. But he is not overly dominant. Mitch Morse is pretty good.
We need some very good to great WR's. Josh Allen can escape most pressure, but he can't escape not having elite WR talent. And for those who were really not paying attention during the second half of last season, Stefan Diggs was not playing pro football at anywhere near an elite level.
Maurkise Pouncey went to the Stillers at #18 in 2010. Nine times Pro Bowler, 2 time All Pro. He retired after the 2020 season. The only season he failed to make the Pro Bowl was the season he suffered a season-ending injury in the opening game of the season. He came back the next season to be selected All Pro a second time.
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I'm in!
I've already advocated drafting a center at #28 in a couple of other threads. Even if there's not a run on WRs, the fact is a great center will help Allen more than a good WR, and you're more likely to get a great IOLer than a great WR at #28
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I haven't watched a lot of Fields, but I think he has a skill set reminiscent of Russ in his prime, so they can both work in the same type of offense. My guess is that Russ will start the season with Fields as his backup. If he can't recreate the form he had in Seattle, then Fields will get his shot. Even if Russ excels and Fields doesn't see much playing time, I think that the Stillers may re-sign Fields for the future if he looks good in practice.
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I picked Thanksgiving or Black Friday because I think they've done pretty well on Thanksgiving. Allen and the Bills made the NFL pay attention to them in 2019 when they smacked the Cowboys around 26-15 on Thanksgiving Day.
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2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:
This guy is where he needs to be.
I lived in a townhouse for 18 months during covid. A guy that lived a building down was arrested on a sting operation for child pornography. He was released on bail and the HOA couldn't do anything about it. Because he wasn't on the lease, his sister who he lived with was and he hadn't been convicted yet. Courts were delayed because of Covid and they couldn't legally have him removed until he was officially sentenced in court. Insane in the membrane.
I disagreed with you because it's not "insane" to wait until somebody is actually convicted before penalizing him/her. Even perverts have rights.
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11 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:
These are some very odd comments. You’all are aware that Christmas isn’t always on a Wednesday, right?
Most people don't like change. The NFL traditionally has only played on Christmas when it fell on the weekend or Monday. Christmas coming on Wednesday has just magnified the change in NFL policy to play games on Christmas. Obviously, it's too much change for some people.
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2 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:
It's one thing if Christmas falls on a Saturday or Sunday but to start putting NFL games on a Wednesday because it's Christmas is just another Greedy Cash Grab from the NFL...$$$$$$$$ all they care about
The NFL is a business, that's it's purpose.
The ratings were so high for last year's Christmas game that Christmas Day games were inevitably going to become a fixture on whatever day Christmas falls on.
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I hope he can make a great comeback!
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Diggs traded to Texans for picks
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They take a WR in the 2nd.