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On 9/6/2024 at 1:13 PM, GoBills808 said:
im not making sweeping judgements
im saying (and said at the time) that trading that pick to the Chiefs, who used and obviously did have a first round grade on another wideout, was going to be looked at very unfavorably considering we drafted and very obviously needed the same position
21 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:Not just here the entire national media today is trashing Beane for the trade the Bills don’t really get a lot of positive press nationally anymore.
Who the hell cares what social and broadcast media mavens or fans say???? Beane's job is to build the best team he can, not pander to the media and/or to fans who think they have a better handle on team needs and draft picks' quality than the professionals who do evaluations for their livings.
On 9/6/2024 at 1:19 PM, RoscoeParrish said:To draw a comparison, here’s a hypothetical.
Let’s say the Bengals tag Higgins again and try to trade him next offseason. The Ravens make an offer of a second round pick and give Tee all of his contract demands.
There’s a school of thought that the Bengals should take that deal as a no-brainer, they are gonna lose Higgins regardless and the second round pick is higher than any comp pick they could get with him signing with the Falcons or whoever.
The other school of thought is that through the action of trading a player to a division rival, he can actively participate in your season’s demise, whether it’s missing the playoffs or losing in the playoffs.
Is it a no-brainer to trade Higgins to the Ravens? I think the asset difference makes it very tempting.
Is it playing scared to be worried about outcome number 2? I do not think so.
Trading down in the draft is in no way comparable to trading a star veteran player to a divisional rival. Apples to pineapples.
21 hours ago, billybrew1 said:You’re rationalizing the story badly. If Worthy turns into a star and Coleman does not, Beane is an idiot. No ifs, no buts, no coconuts….
And Beane is the most overated GM the Bills have ever had.bHis drafts from Edmunds - 2022 get about a C grade…. That’s it.
His FA moves are in the realm of crazy. The Diggs trade, The Diggs contract and especially the Diggs second contract….Ooof!
Paying Von like he is at the peak of his career and for so long, just nuts. Why did he give Star and Knox so much money?! WTF is he doing? He is doing it again with Dawkins and TJ….Negotiate Beane! It is like he thinks making players the highest paid is a good thing. I’m afraid to see what we paid Brown, he is not a top notch RT….
we don’t beat KC in the playoffs because their team is better than ours with the exception of the boneheaded :13 sec move and the injury to Tre White….
If the 2023 and 2024 don’t really impress this year, I’m gonna puke, because that means it’s all over…..
Were never gonna beat them because they have much better decision makers….
Why do you assume that Worthy is more likely to become a star than Coleman? It's entirely possible that Coleman becomes a solid NFL wide receiver while Worthy never becomes more than a gadget guy simply because Worthy's really under-sized -- and that is very limiting, both in terms of how he can be used and likely in longevity. Coleman isn't real fast but if he can develop into a sure-handed route-runner who can block pretty well, he can have a long, productive NFL career.
8 hours ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:If Coleman gets 7 for 100 and 2TD then I'm upset we didn't just take him at our original pick. The trade down is a lose-lose. Why risk losing out on Coleman AND guarantee KC gets who they want?
edit: unless the compensation is significant. Which it was = 6th round pick
This is just silly. Drafting players is a crap shoot. Something like only about half of first rounders become good/great NFLers.
Trading down is not a lose-lose situation if the team gets the player they wanted plus an extra pick, even a very low one. The more picks a team has, the more likely they find somebody to contribute to the team.
Trading up is much more likely to be a losing proposition. In 2018, the Jests traded 3 second round picks to Indy to move from #6 to #3 to draft Sam Darnold. The Bills drafted Josh Allen at #7 (after trading up, too). In 2021, the Niners traded their #12 pick plus their next 2 first rounders to the Dolphins take Trey Lance at #3. The Fins turned around and traded with Philly to move up to #6 to take Tua. In 2022, the Niners drafted Brock Purdy at #262.
As I said, the draft is a crap shoot ... but teams usually don't really know if they've actually won or lost until two or three years down the line.
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5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Ah yes the "if you take away his elite asset he is below average" game. When you evaluate Lamar Jackson the Quarterback you have to evaluate all of Lamar Jackson the Quarterback. Not just what he does as a passer. His entire game.
He is not Allen or Mahomes but he is unique and brilliant in his own way.
Exactly. There's more to being a great QB than simply passing ability. The aim is to win football games, not to set passing records or score passing style points. I would take Lamar over most NFL QBs, including Tua, because he can lift his team much like Allen or Mahomes, especially when plays break down, and that's a talent that separates great QBs from really good QBs.
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For those of you who missed GMFB yesterday, Jamie Erdahl picked Tua as her candidate for MVP and Peter Schrager picked Aaron Rodgers.
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8 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:
I mentioned this in another thread. Ran into an ex-Bills player a few weeks back and asked him what he thought about the state of the Bills. His response was the best thing that happened for the team last year was the firing of Dorsey and promotion of Joe Brady to OC. Said Brady operates a much more functional running game which will bode better for the team. Seeing that this guy actually played in the NFL, I’m hopeful he knows what he is seeing and talking about.
I hope this is true. IMO, if the Bills can run at will when they need or want to, it makes them a much more dangerous team, especially in the playoffs.
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12 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:
Thanks... I was just gonna post that he died 50 years ago. 😆
Who's James Darren?
Anyway... Gone way too soon. RIP.
James Darren was a contemporary of Bobby Darin. One was born in 1936 and the other in 1937 IIRC. They both became popular in the 1950s, too. Darin was a singer and songwriter who played several instruments who was also a successful entrepreneur. Darren was an actor who originally made his name in movies aimed at teenagers.
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8 hours ago, US Egg said:
Nobody sang “Mack the Knife” better.
Bobby Darin, who died in 1973, sang "Mack The Knife".
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19 minutes ago, Gman10 said:
Yeah but its Aaron Rodgers. He's built different, he also has all the money in the world and the resources to try/take whatever he needs
Thats two more guys on offense than we have lol. We have a RB who can't hold onto the ball, a kicker won't can't kick and no real WR
For all of Rodgers' talent and ability, he's only taken his team to a single Super Bowl, and looked pretty mediocre in his last full season (2022), so he's certainly not a superhero ... except in his own mind and the fantasies of Jests fans.
Joe Brady >>>> Nathaniel Hackett
Sean McDermott >>> Robert Saleh
Coaching counts.
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On 8/30/2024 at 11:34 AM, T.E. said:
He's a good coach, and a better innovator on offense than anything we've had since Daboll.
They've constructed a team, though, that is going to need to get home-field to get to the Super Bowl. All the other powerhouses in the AFC play outdoors in the cold, and I don't know if I've seen a team pack it up in bad weather quite like they did in KC last year.
I don't think the Fishies' problem is cold weather. I think it's better teams. They've won only 2 or 3 games against teams with winning records in the last two years, including the playoffs. Last year, they played a lot of teams with crappy defenses early in the season and better teams in the last half of the season -- and the playoffs in the AFC recently have almost always been played in open stadiums in cold weather cities.
On 8/30/2024 at 7:32 PM, Scott7975 said:He may be weird but I actually think he is a good coach. He is obviously smart on the offensive side of the ball. Tua was a dumpsterfire bust before he came there. Now they have a dangerous offense with him still at QB. Yes it takes speed to make that offense work but it works. I think they will be fine without the motion thing. It gave them an edge but it doesnt change what their offense can do.
I dont think they will do much better than what they already have done, but I still think he is a good coach.
I agree. I don't think the old-time disciplarian type coaches (like Belichick or Coughlin) can be really effective in today's NFL ... and maybe they haven't been effective for a while. I can't think of any real old-fashioned hard-arsed HCs among the successful HCs currently coaching.
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Roster talent levels in the NFL don't actually vary all that much between the top teams and bottom teams except at QB, but the quality of the coaching can be the difference between winning the division and missing the playoffs.
Allen is a much better QB than Rodgers at this point in their respective careers, and Tua has never been near the quality of either Allen or Rodgers. However much some fans dislike McDermott, he's a significantly better coach than either McDaniel or Saleh, and Brady is definitely a better OC than Nathaniel Hackett, even if Brady only turns out to be an average OC long term.
If Allen stays healthy, then a better QB + better coaching = another AFCE division title for the Bills.
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On 8/29/2024 at 2:10 PM, 4merper4mer said:
Von Miller isn’t a cap drain? Departed players aren’t sucking up our cap room? Those aren’t facts?
Miller won't be a "cap drain" if he can recover most of his pre-injury form. If the Bills had cut him, he'd be a bigger cap drain and there would be absolutely no possibility of mitigating his cap hit with good play.
On 8/29/2024 at 9:27 PM, 4merper4mer said:Not the way I meant it. I meant unproven and I hope they prove it.
If you meant "unproven", then why didn't you just write that? "Questionable" means that someone/something has been tested and found to be lacking in some way.
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On 8/29/2024 at 2:51 PM, PauleeeWalnuts said:
I would say to be reckoned with since they have a better roster than the Bills and they beat us with Zac fn Wilson (again) last season.
On 8/29/2024 at 5:16 PM, Gman10 said:To be reckoned with. They have a decent SOS, a great D, a great QB and a very very good RB
They also have Robert Saleh who hasn't yet demonstrated he's a legitimate NFL HC with an 18-33 record over 3 seasons.
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5 minutes ago, dpberr said:
Not only does Rodgers have to stay healthy, already a big if, he also has to stay interested and engaged, and I just don't think he is.
I think his enjoyment of the game retired two seasons ago, when the Packers lost 5 in a row in 2022. That was it.
I agree. I think this is the big question that all the people jumping on the Jests' bandwagon have ignored. Rodgers flirted with running for vice president of the US. He missed mandatory minicamp because it conflicted with his personal schedule. He hasn't played a down in any of the pre-season games.
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18 hours ago, mannc said:
And then they won the Lombardi.
Reid's won three.
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On 8/21/2024 at 1:55 PM, amprov56 said:
You have no idea, 1967, 1968, 1970, 1971, 1976, 1977, 1984, 1985, horrible drafts throughout the 60's and 70's; the fire everbody crowd produced some great coaching changes (ha ha). Try sitting in the Rockpile in November with it cold, windy, wet and muddy with your team 1 and 9 competing for OJ. Ill take the four SB losses and the last five years and I think this team will win a SB (horrors optimist).
Amen! I remember that the Bills had an interim-HC during some of those years who was acknowledged drunk, an OL that was so bad that WRs were playing QB, and that the players, led by Bruce Smith were ready to mutiny. Anybody who has memories of those days, cannot help but be an optimist about the current Bills teams.
On 8/21/2024 at 4:01 PM, mjt328 said:Consider the history of the Buffalo Bills franchise (founded in 1960), and you will understand why this fanbase is generally negative and pessimistic.
Every time this team has been on the pinnacle of something great, their hopes are dashed to the ground and destroyed.
- Our last championship came way back in 1965. Almost 60 years ago. Long before the majority of current fans were even alive. Ironically, this was also exactly one season before the Super Bowl was created. Players always say you "can't take away" their championship victory. Well today, the NFL doesn't really count anything that came before Green Bay in 1966. Only 12 months separate the Bills from getting an opportunity to win the very first Super Bowl... and instead having their AFL titles relegated to an old and forgotten era of football history.
- Over the next 22 years, the Bills managed to win the division only twice and make the playoffs a total of FOUR times. This included a span where they had possibly the best player in the sport (OJ Simpson). Of course, this once loved and celebrated star - once considered the greatest athlete to wear the Buffalo uniform - later turned out to be a cold-blooded murderer.
- The team's greatest era finally began in 1988 and ran for almost a decade. Despite boasting a team with a half-dozen Hall of Famers, they somehow managed to choke away four straight Super Bowl appearances (losing to both Jeff Hostetler and Mark Rypien in the big game). Ask most Bills fans about the 90s and you will get a mix of fond nostalgia and PTSD. Fitting those years were bookended by "Wide Right" at the beginning, and concluded with the "Music City Miracle."
- Despite the absolute statistical improbability (especially with the league pushing for parity), the Bills somehow missed the playoffs for the next 17 years. Nearly long enough for a newborn to reach adulthood before experiencing a postseason game. Endless GMs, coaches, quarterbacks and rosters bringing hope. All ending exactly the same.
Our recent resurrection under Beane/McDermott/Allen started with great promise. Even for the most skeptical of us older Bills fans. Surely this group would bring us a Super Bowl eventually. But after "13 Seconds", "Wide Right 2", four-straight early exits from the postseason, an endless string of injuries... it just seems like we've been on this roller coaster before.
Not even close. See my reply to amprov56. I can also add the "good ol' days" of Dick Jauron's philosophy of playing not to lose by too much.
9 hours ago, corta765 said:Agreed. BB really altered peoples minds on success for coaches. Most good coaches have well prepared teams and good culture, but they have their follies from time to time. Tomlin has a ring and two appearances yet some of his decisions and running of the ship have been questionable at points, Pete Carroll did a tremendous job in Seattle but has a huge blemish from the SB, Mike Shanahan did great in DEN and has been lukewarm since, etc.. The greats are the greats and their is a reason you get maybe one per decade. Andy Reid until KC won a SB was forever laughed at for his time mgmt skills in PHI and inability to breakthrough and now is probably a top 5 coach ever. I do have a time coming where soon if McD doesn't break through they need to replace him and give Josh a different guy in his prime, but it isn't there yet. ALSO everyone who mentions replacing Sean I always ask who is your replacement and are they an actual upgrade? That usually doesn't go as swimmingly in response haha.
That's the rub. Consider that Andy Reid coached in Philly for 14 seasons, but was fired because he didn't bring home a Lombardi. They replaced him with Chip Kelly who lasted less than 3 seasons.
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On 8/21/2024 at 11:20 AM, mrags said:
Man, I wish my dad and mom allowed me to throw tantrums. I’m old enough to have gotten the belt. Unlike many millennial posters here that were barely out of the womb when the drought started.
you sound like one of those rose colored glasses people tho. Good for you. Everything must be perfect in your life.
Because I've been a Bills fan since 1963, I sure as hell know what a bad football team looks like, and the 2024 Bills ain't a bad football team. I witnessed first-hand the hopeless non-NFL caliber teams of the 1970s; the badly coached teams in the 1980s after Chuck Knox left and before Marv took over; and the management of the team that put profits far ahead of winning football games that resulted in the Drought. Pegula, Beane and McDermott are doing their best to put the best team they can on the field and win a Lombardi, which is good enough for me.
I am not going to whine about the Bills like they're perennial bottom feeders and demand a regime change just for change's sake. Nothing on the field is guaranteed in the NFL, which is why games are played on grass and turf and not on paper, so before I jump on the bandwagon to get rid of the HC and/or the GM, I have to see actual evidence the HC and/or GM have actually failed, not the accusations of random fans on a message board.
If that's being "one of those rose colored glassed people", I don't particularly care.
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13 hours ago, mrags said:
Because some of us are realists and see this organization as wasting the best talented player it will ever have. Because some of us don’t look through everything with rose colored glasses. Because some of us actually want the team to do well at some point in their lives, and they know that the path we are now on is not it.
Hardly.
Some posters are spoiled brats who throw tantrums when things don't go their way because that always worked with Mom and Dad.
Some posters think that they're a whole lot smarter than anybody who coaches/manages a NFL football team that isn't named Belichick or Reid.
Some posters always see the glass as at least half empty.
Some posters are simply the south ends of northbound horses.
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On 8/4/2024 at 8:31 PM, HOUSE said:
I like it with red or white unis.
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6 hours ago, Low Positive said:
The weather guy on Channel 5 in Cincinnati gets so excited anytime there is a potential for a tornado. He practically creams his pants any time he sees the clouds start swirling on the radar.
When the big storms that came through WNY a couple of weeks ago and spawned tornadoes in Chautauqua, Cattaraugus, Erie, and Genesee Counties, the local tv stations interrupted their broadcast for the duration of the active tornado warnings. It is a big deal.
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18 hours ago, ChevyVanMiller said:
Pretty sure it's a little thing called global warming. Hardly any snow in WNY anymore, but tornadoes on the rise.
18 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:We’ve had some intense snow storms the last couple years. But the winters have been milder.
Scientists have predicted that global warming would result in more extreme weather: stronger and larger hurricanes/typhoons, more intense winter storms, more atmospheric rivers, longer and deeper droughts, more severe weather outbreaks resulting in tornadoes, derechos, flash floods, etc. They have also predicted that global warming is likely to change/disrupt ocean currents which would create major changes to local climates.
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It was a good weekend for American cyclists at the Olympics. Kristen Faulkner won gold in the Women's Road race on Sunday, the first US gold in this event since 1984. She sprinted to the lead about 3 KM out and none of the other women could stay with her. Matteo Jorgenson took ninth in the Men's Road race on Saturday after being in medal contention until the end. Remco Evenepoel crushed the competition to take gold, despite having to change bikes because of a flat tire while on the lead. Two French riders took silver and bronze, France's first medals in the men's road race in several decades.
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21 hours ago, Utah John said:
Back when the best pass rushers lined up on the right side of the defensive line, and teams almost always put the tight end on the right side of the offensive line, the standard thinking was running teams were right handed, generally exploiting the power of an extra TE blocker and a powerful road grader right tackle. Left tackles were quicker and more athletic, not always as good at run blocking. Blocking schemes were designed to utilize these different strengths. Even right guards and left guards had different priorities.
So teams started putting their best pass rusher on the left side of the defensive line (Reggie White). These defenders had to account for a more massive tackle, but they could use speed, quickness, and deception, as well as power, to be effective. This counter-trend changed the job description for right tackles. Now they still need to be massive road graders (Spencer Brown) but also good pass blockers (Spencer Brown, last year, finally). And defensive lines doing stunts and rotations can confuse a non-athletic tackle if he's not paying attention.
This whole blind side thing is a little overdone. Sure, if you have a right-handed pocket passer QB who doesn't move much, the blind side issue matters, but most QBs are pretty mobile (or very mobile) and they have their eyes everywhere. Statues get broken, but moving targets survive. And sacks come from everywhere.
Finally, the dominant shift in the NFL the past 15 years or so, is the ascendancy of the passing game. Pass blocking is now the most important capability an O lineman can have. Even right tackles.
Nailed it!
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4 hours ago, RkFast said:
Im not watching but heard about Pidcock and that "move" he made. Ive done that move in a few MTB races, myself 😍.
Pogacar dropping out took a lot of juice out of the Olypics race for me. Im not a huge Pogi fan, Im more of a Jonas guy but I felt he should be there.
People dont understand what the Tour is like for of the sport. Its literally a Super Bowl level must watch event every single day for three weeks. Even if the race is settled or the stage is a bit flat, the spectacle and intensity of the riders and crowds is just amazing. On a seperate note, my GOD is Paul Sherwin missed and CVV belongs in studio doing analysis, not giving observations on course. I want to literally strangle Bookwalter by the end of the race, especially with regard to how he smugly looked down his nose at Girmay.
I got hooked on the TDF about 5 or 6 years ago. I had some health issues that left me stuck inside with the AC for much of July -- and I discovered the Tour de France. I've been hooked ever since. Everything you said is spot on. It's the only cycling event I watch but I may watch more since Peacock apparently carries more cycling.
I watched Picock's race live. That he was able to get close enough for a medal was impressive but his duel with Koretzky was thrilling. After Pidcock caught and passed Koretzky the first time, Koretzky regained the lead and looked to be loose on the lead, but Pidcock caught him again to finally pass and win the race. Good stuff.
The women's team gymnastics contest was great. The American women won gold and the Italian women upset the Brazilians to take silver.
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If you like some of the lesser known sports, Peacock is a good choice. I got it to watch the TDF when it was like $49.99 for an entire year. I also get replays of just about all the Olympic sports plus the NFL games that are exclusively on Peacock.
BTW, Thomas Pidcock of Great Britain, another TDF participant, won gold in the men's mountain biking yesterday. He came back from an early mechanical problem to win.
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11 hours ago, MR8 said:
Boomer mentality... It's a generational gap in understanding leadership across the board.
Same issues in every industry and sector right now. Boomer leaders with traditional Boomer mentalities and styles hating younger generations way of doing things. Anyone who wants an interesting read on the topic should take a look T "The Next America". It's a decade old now but I'm shocked how few people know it... Also it was predicting 10 years ago the generational culture clash we literally are living today. Fascinating.
But yeah, 70+ year old Terry doesn't like 27 year old Josh's leadership style... Probably the 50 years difference in age and cultural development. I don't know how josh "leads" with any certainty, and frankly no one else on here does either. So rather than us talking about what he does or doesn't need to do more of, let's just chalk this up to generational differences and move on.
I don't think Taylor's book necessarily supports your premise. Differing leadership styles are more about differences in personalities than differences in generational sensibilities.
The chatter around the Worthy trade isn't rational
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You are missing the point. Diggs is already a proven NFL player. Trading him to a conference rival wouldn't make sense. Trading a draft pick to KC is something else because no draft pick comes with a guarantee that that whomever they pick will turn into a decent NFL players much less a player of Diggs' caliber.