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12 hours ago, leonbus23 said:
Haha. Not too many lawyers. My main point is that the broad generalization that the lawyer made doesn't mean anything. Cherry picking the examples of Belechick, LeBron, Reid (and himself) is meaningless without an objective standard. His claim is about experience with the implication that it results in objective success. His claim gets muddled in subjective self-reflection with the LaBron quote. But it's decontextualized pathos speak. LaBron got DWade and a star teammate with the Lakers. Belechick got Brady. Reid got Mahomes. He got his dream paralegal (maybe). So, his maxim, really means nothing. That was my point. If he wants people to stop complaining about Dorsey, he should provide the data you provided, not espouse some grand truth about experience coupled with the bias of his individual anecodotal example that highlights his age and profession.
So, you can't know if you're doing your career/profession/job better or worse today than you were the day you started unless somebody's done an "objective study" of your progress or lack of same? My guess is that your supervisor doesn't need to study a dataset to figure out whether you've improved since you were hired or not.
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2 hours ago, HappyDays said:
The Creed Humphrey obsession is so tired. I'll criticize Beane when it's warranted. But if we drafted Humphrey instead of Basham we would have the exact same number of Super Bowl wins right now. We're not talking about the league MVP here. It's just a center, the easiest position in football other than RB to find quality talent.
Failed day 2 and 3 draft picks is not why our team has floundered in January. The main reason is our free agency spending relative to the rest of the league has been mostly awful. Missing on a late 2nd round pass rusher is acceptable. Wasting money on the likes of Vernon Butler and Rodger Saffold is not.
Some posters need to improve their reading comprehension.
2 hours ago, boyst said:wow.
we really have been spoiled to have eric wood and mitch morse.
clearly you forgot geoff hangartner, among others.
center is not the easiest position in football. no position is truly easy but that you said this... is insane! like purely a lack of football knowledge.
the center generally calls the blocking schemes, helps call audibles, assures proper alignment, generally knows the entire play for all positions.
then do all of this while making sure the quarterback gets the ball with the laces up in a shotgun pass.
jesus... your take is so bad that you should delete it.
Sorry, HappyDays never said that playing center was easy.
2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:Oh for sure, I would assign the majority of the blame to Josh on that right now. However, when we have folks saying that Center isnt that important, they just need to snap the ball to the QB... And we just lost a game due to a mishandled snap... I can't help but wonder if Josh is a little more calm taking that snap from a young, strong, non-injured, known road-grader like Humphrey.
Sorry, but HappyDays never said that center wasn't important, either.
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On 2/13/2023 at 4:45 PM, teef said:
you don't think a new coordinator can improve from one season to the next? he may not, but to act like it can't happen is wrong.
Why are you surprised that some on this MB think Dorsey can't improve? There are pages upon pages of comments in multiple threads already consigning the 2022 draft class to the bust pile. Our window has closed. Beane can't make good picks in the first and second rounds. The Jests and the Carp have better rosters, etc etc etc ... Sometimes I have to go back and check that the Bills actually did go 13-3 last season and won a playoff game given the litany of "the sky is falling" chants that seem to be overrunning this MB.
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The window closed when Beane failed to draft Creed Humphrey ...
//sarcasm
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4 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:
I said it before and I’ll say it again. I do think if we held a TBD poll on who to draft when the pick is up, we’d have a better drafting history than Brandon Beane. BUT only after the 2018 draft. Allen wouldn’t be on this team if it were up to TBD at the time 😅
Isn't that like claiming Miami has a better team than the Bills while ignoring the most important position, QB?
4 hours ago, ScottLaw said:Not really… your rounds 1-2 are where you get the elite difference makers statistically… Beanes been a hot mess there and it shows on the field.
It would be much easier for the Bills to hit on their first and second round draft picks if they regularly drafted in the top ten spot in both rounds, but I don't miss all the years of the season being over by mid-October ... or even late September.
4 hours ago, RunninRebel37 said:Hmmm…when are folks gonna really be objective about his drafting. Outside of the 2018 draft, what’s he done? The core of this team was truly drafted by - wait for it…Doug Whaley
Beane 1st & 2nd round picks
2018- knocked it out the park obviously
2019 - Oliver : description of mediocre/ Ford: bust
2020- Diggs: he’s Him….not a draft choice but I’ll give it to Beane/ Epenesa: we’ll below average to borderline bust
2021- Rousseau: average to slightly above average/ Bassham: bust
2022- Elam: BUST/ Cook: TBD (but it’s not to question this pick since this teams used 3 valuable picks since 2019 to draft RB and not one has shown they’re an answer or complimentary for this team
Another Nostradamus! I'm shocked that you haven't already pronounced Kincaid and Torrence doomed to be busts.
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3 hours ago, SWATeam said:
LOL, the Jets are certainly the pinnacle of drafting! 🤣🤣🤣
It's hard to miss with 2 picks in the top ten (#4 and #10) in 2022, although the Jests have a tradition of doing so, especially when drafting QBs. They missed on 2 of their 3 top ten picks since 2018: Sam Darnold in 2018 and Zach Wilson in 2021.
3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:I get it…. Unfortunately for Beane his 2021 and 2022 drafts were trash… and fortunately for him he drafted the best QB in franchise history.
Not saying he should be fired, but his last two drafts(and other non transactions) have played a part in holding this team back from reaching a SB.
I think it's very unfair, Nostradamus, that you already know the results of the 2023 NFL season and haven't shared them with your fellow Bills fans on TSW.
3 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:I think Terry already did. Beane took a team that never made the playoffs and transformed it into a team that always makes the playoffs. Terry counted up the successes and failures and rewarded Beane with an extension.
One of the things that made Basham expendable is that Beane has successfully acquired other good DEs.
I do agree, though, Beane still needs to get better as a GM. He's given McD a good roster to work with, maybe a very good one, but not a great one.
I would like to see the Bills try to improve their scouting/collegiate player evaluation staff(s). I think that would probably improve the Bills drafts somewhat. As long as the Bills are winning double digit games and drafting in slots #21-32 in the first round regularly, though, they're not going to match the draft successes of teams regularly drafting in the top 5-10 positions.
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15 hours ago, Billsfanatixs said:
I'm not panicking, but just looking for feedback about the idea that right tackle and guard on this team might be the more difficult positions than the left
For most OTs, it's significantly harder for them to move to the other side of the line than to simply move inside to OG on the same side. I think that Dawkins has a better chance of making an awesome LG than making a competent RT.
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32 minutes ago, BBFL said:
Edmunds wasn’t the best, certainly could have been better but also could have been worse.
Tough to see him not mature into what we all hoped whilst in a Bills uniform. Best decision they made was not paying him that much money. Huge salary for spotty play. All the best to him in his future career.
Exactly this. Too many posters apparently cannot or will not accept the fact that not all first round picks are going to develop into All Pros at their positions. I don't know what the percentage of all first round draft picks become good or better players over the course of their careers but my guess is that it's south of 50% (< 16 players), with most of the best coming from the top of the first round in each draft. Beane and McDermott gambled that a very young MLB would grow into greatness, and they lost. OTOH, they gambled that a very raw QB with a big arm but poor mechanics could develop into an elite QB. They won that one.
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2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:
I don't understand if you're trying to bash Dion or praise him
But he's a lot better than most on this board think
He's not a bottom 10 left tackle in the world
Since the Bills had several bottom 10 (maybe bottom 3) LTs after they traded away Peters, those of us who remember those bad old days understand that the LT position could be significantly worse than these Dawkins haters can imagine. IMO, playing next to an improved LG, McGovern, will improve Dawkins' play when the games count for real.
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2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:
Your some how blaming the QBs getting hurt on the offense?
I’m not praising Shanny. I think he’s a douche. I’d still take him as a coach over McD.No, I'm not. I'm simply making the observation that the 49ers since 2017 under Lynch and Shanahan just can't seem to keep QBs on the field because of in- game injuries. If it was just Garoppolo, it could just be dismissed as one injury-prone player but every single QB who plays for them ends up hurt. Last year they went through Lance, Garoppolo, Purdy, and Johnson. In 2018 or 2019, they used three QBs because of injuries. It's not like the Niners have a crappy OL or that their QBs are running like Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. The injuries aren't similar so it's unlikely that they stem from training regimens. Do they tend to pick QBs who are more slightly built than the average NFL QB and thus more injury prone? Is it possible that Shanahan's offensive schemes somehow expose his QBs to injury more than other coaches' schemes?
I can't give Lynch and Shanahan kudos for being successful despite an unsettled QB situation when their QBs can't stay healthy for more than a few games at a time.
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On 8/24/2023 at 12:54 PM, Araiza Curse said:
This. Shanny has made Mr Irrelevant into a serviceable QB, while McD squanders the 2nd best QB in the league. Imagine what good coaches like Shanny, McV, and Billy would do with Allen.
Purdy's been serviceable for 6-8 games. So was UDFA Nick Mullens, who's currently Cousins' backup in Minnesota I think. There's been dozens of late round QBs who have been "serviceable" for half a season or so over the years. It's not all that rare. What's a rarity is a late round/UDFA QB become a real franchise QB for several years at least.
How is Josh Allen being "squandered"? "Squandering" a QB was Matthew Stafford playing most of his career in Detroit.
On 8/24/2023 at 1:34 PM, ngbills said:Well the Lance pick is all Allen's fault. Everyone fell in love with him because they saw the Josh similarities. I am not sold on Purdy but if he turns out to be a franchise guy I guess its a wash but for a lot cheaper. I dont see it though.
In fairness to SF - 2017 Niners and Bills both missed the Mahomes pick. 2018 - 3 QB's taken before they picked. They passed on Rosen which turned out to be right. 2019 - Bosa over Jones is the right call. Was a weak QB class. 2020 - 3 QB's taken before they picked, they weren't drafting Love. Had no shot at Burrow, Tua, Herbert. 2021 - Lance...
2018 - The 49ers could have taken Lamar Jackson, who eventually went #32.
2020 - Jalen Hurts went in the second round.
2021 - Mac Jones went #15.
Jackson and Hurts are bonafide franchise QBs. Jones is, at minimum, a serviceable NFL starter.
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On 8/24/2023 at 11:15 AM, ScottLaw said:
The difference is Josh.
Somewhat impressive they’ve been mostly good with constant turnover at the QB position and they’ve been to a SB… we’ve been struggling to get there with arguably the 2nd best QB in the league.(Not until 2020 was he truly great however.)
Still, I’d take Shannon over McD hands down.
You might want to reconsider your praise for Shanahan. Maybe it's just a curse, or maybe Lynch and Shanahan aren't particularly astute in picking QBs who can stay on the field -- or maybe it's not the QBs but something in Shanahan's offense. I can't think of any other playoff caliber team in the last decade or more that has repeatedly lost multiple QBs to game time injuries. In 2022, even the backup (Josh Johnson) to the backup promoted from 3rd string (Purdy) was hurt in the same game.
- John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan both came on board in 2017.
- They passed on Mahomes in the 2017 even though their QBs during the season were to be Brian Hoyer and CJ Beathard after they released Colin Kaepernick.
- In October, they traded for Jimmy Garoppolo, who played in only 3 games in 2018 because of injury and only 6 games in 2020 because of 2 separate injuries. In 2021, Garoppolo suffered three separate injuries, one early in the season, another in Week 16, and finally a third in the playoffs.
- In 2018, after losing Garoppolo's backup, CJ Beathard, to injury, the 49ers brought in UDFA QB Nick Mullens who seemed to be really good for a few games ... until he wasn't. In 2020, Mullens was injured late in the season when playing in place of Garoppolo
- 2021, Lynch and Shanahan sent 4 picks, including 3 first rounders, to Miami in order to draft Trey Lance, who barely played in college, and at a small college at that. Lance played in 2 games as a rookie.
- Lance was named the starter to begin 2022 but only played two games before being injured and out for the season.
- Garoppolo managed to start 10 games in 2022 before being sidelined with a broken foot in early December, opening the door for 7th round pick Brock Purdy.
- Purdy lasted until he was injured in the NFC Conference Championship game and was replaced by veteran Josh Johnson, who also was injured in the game, necessitating Purdy returning even though he couldn't throw effectively.
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13 hours ago, davefan66 said:
It’s not often a guy like him makes it. I h ope he does, seems like a good dude.
Would be something if he fails.
I wasn't knocking Purdy but Lynch and Shanahan. Very few college QBs, including those drafted in the first round, actually become top NFL QBs no matter where they were drafted, much less from day 3 of the draft. Since 2000, you can count on the fingers of one hand the ones from Day 3 who've become top NFL QB and have a couple of digits left over: Tom Brady (2000 - 6th round), Dak Prescott (2016 - 4th round), and Kirk Cousins (2012 - 4th round). There have been several notable late rounders like Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel and Gardner Minshew but none of them would be considered "top NFL QBs".
I think it's incredibly arrogant of Lynch and Shanahan to bank on Purdy joining Brady, Prescott and Cousins after only 8 starts, especially since they haven't demonstrated that they actually can evaluate QBs, given that they felt they whiffed on Lance after giving up 3 first round picks to get him.
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31 minutes ago, davefan66 said:
Wow. Niners took a bath on the original trade.
Purdy must be the real deal…so they think.
I would ROFLMAO at the supposed geniuses Lynch and Shanahan if Purdy went the way of about 99% of the QBs drafted in the 7th round.
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9 hours ago, Watkins101 said:
There is no way that adding Tre Lance improves the ceiling of this team. The ceiling of this team requires a healthy Josh Allen, in which case Tre wouldn’t play.
Acquiring a backup OLer better than any of the backups currently on the roster would raise the ceiling of this team significantly more than acquiring a QB without NFL experience as a backup QB.
2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:Well of course!! Lol, who said that it raises the ceiling? Your ceiling is the Super Bowl. It raises the floor!!
If Josh were to miss a month, “could you go 2-2?” That is what you are trying to get to. I believe that it is more likely with Lance than Allen/Barkley. You also get the bonus, if he looks good in those games, of one of the best trade chips in football.
It isn’t about a season!!!! Every team is done if their QB misses the year. It is about if your QB misses a week or month.
Other than being the #3 draft pick a couple of years ago, what about Lance makes you think that he can be more effective coming in for Josh Allen than Barkley or even Kyle Allen? Lance hasn't played enough in the NFL for anybody outside of the 49ers organization to have real insight into his potential as an NFL QB -- and SF's actions suggest they don't think he has much.
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7 hours ago, Lost said:
Where do you all rate the the Dolphins vs. Bills in terms of coaching?
I'm not sold on McDaniel. Much like rookies who sparkle in their first seasons and then tail off in succeeding seasons, some new HCs never develop into good HCs.
2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:IMO yes because I'm obviously very familiar with Dolphins since they are a division rival. But many experts and pundits also have them as a clear cut top 5 roster, in some cases not even factoring in QB like Chris Simms ranking:
Unfortunately for you and all these "experts and pundits" so in love with the Fish, having a supposed "clear cut top 5 roster" is meaningless. An elite QB working with a top HC makes up for most talent deficients most of the time. The Pats and Chiefs have demonstrated this pretty regularly over the last 2 decades. Tua isn't an elite QB and McDaniel isn't a top HC.
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3 hours ago, CSBill said:
Unfortunately, a "sign' of the apocalypse from the book of Revelation, not a future blessing.
2 hours ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:If he'd kept the problem to 40 days and 40 nights, I would've been fine with it...
52 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:Actually, he seemed like a very nice guy. When he was in NYC for the draft he went into a firehouse and was joking around with the firemen not so long after 911. They all seemed to really like him.
The thing is, Williams was a RT in college (never played LT to my knowledge) and came into the league with an ankle injury. People said "no problem, his college QB was left handed." Yeah, OK. In college, he was at least twice as strong as any defender he faced but as we know, this matters less in the pros.
McKinnie otoh was great. Yes he had an off field issue or two but he was a fantastic LT. I remember being up in Buffalo for a game and Univ. of Miami was playing Syracuse that Saturday. McKinnie DEMOLISHED Dwight Freeney the entire game to the extent that I thought that Freeney was way overrated (and he turned out to be an excellent NFL player). Donohoe seemed to hate McKinnie and took "Big Mike" instead. McKinnie could have been our LT for 15 years or so.
So there it is. We walked away from McKinnie and traded Jason Peters. It's really hard to believe.
The mishandling of high draft picks and sending their best players off to other teams were hallmarks of the end of the Wilson era, but so was signing big name FAs like Mario Williams and Terrell Owens to put butts in the seats rather than to make the team better. It's why I don't whine about Beane like so many others on this board. I'll take honest -- if sometimes unsuccessful -- attempts to build a winning team any day over the crap show Bills fans suffered through prior to 2018. There is nobody ever associated with the NFL I loathe more than Russ Brandon.
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20 hours ago, AuntieEm said:
He had a contract to play RT once he showed at LT he was underpaid. I hated him forcing his way out of Buffali but I couldn't fault him who knows how much quicker the drought would have ended if he remained a Bill had they reworked his deal fairly. Easily could have made difference in making playoffs.
If anybody wants evidence that the Bills under Ralph Wilson put profits over winning in his last fifteen years as owner, compare the players the Bills drafted and/or developed that they traded away or allowed to walk in free agency and those that they kept. The list of ex-Bills who went on to star for other teams is far longer than the players the Bills kept who became more than JAGs. Jason Peters, Marshawn Lynch, and Stephon Gilmore all became All Pros for other teams after the Bills sent them packing -- and won SB rings, too. Antoine Winfield, Sr made the Pro Bowl three times and was also named 2nd team All Pro. Willis McGahee made the Pro Bowl twice for two different teams (Baltimore and Denver). There were many more. Kyle Williams was one of the few good home-grown players the Bills kept. They were much more likely to keep players like Chris Kelsay, Lee Evans, and Leodis McKelvin.
2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Most teams don't have 2 good tackles so why would any of them have more than 4 playable OT's and just release one?
IMO, the only way the Bills can hope to improve their OT situation via other teams' castoffs is if they find a very raw rookie/2nd year player that another team tries to stash on their practice squad. That player would be unlikely to be of much help this season though.
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On 8/19/2023 at 1:54 PM, BADOLBILZ said:
I don't think he can hold up physically to play 90% of snaps anymore. Yeah he was still doing that in 2021 but, I mean, dude is 41 now. I think you'd just view him as a way better replacement for Quessenberry at this point. Maybe the biggest thing he could do is help Dion Dawkins learn what it takes to extend his career. Dion at 28 was blocking at a level like Peters at 38. That shouldn't be. Dion should be in his prime now and he's trailing off significantly. Maybe he could help wake Dion up and help extend his career. Like I said, Bills fans think he's a malcontent because the Bills tried to move him to LT and pay him RT money and he wanted fair market compensation for the bump in responsibility...........but he's been renowned as a GREAT teammate and leader for the vast majority of his career.
Actually, the Bills were paying Peters low-end RT money -- and wanted to continue to do that -- even though Peters made the Pro Bowl and 2nd team All Pro at LT. The LT whom Peters replaced left in free agency the next season and signed for more than the Bills were paying Peters IIRC.
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On 8/16/2023 at 5:37 PM, T&C said:
What they call Country music nowadays isn't really country music... it's just pop music with a "twangy" voice.
When, exactly, was Country music "really country music"? My late step-mother loved the country music of the 1950s and 1960s. I'm more of an Alabama, Garth Brooks, Alan Jackson and Reba McEntire fan myself but I like more recent music by Kelsea Ballerini, Eric Church, and Florida Georgia Line. America in 2023 isn't the same America as in 1933 or 1953 or 1973 or even 1993, and country music, like most popular music genres, reflects that.
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3 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:
Well... One of those guys is no longer with us, and the other guy runs the XFL.
I think Peters would be a great insurance policy at OT but some people hold grudges long after the parties they think did them wrong are totally out of the picture.
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53 minutes ago, BillsGuyInMalta said:
Come on home, Jason.
Just to put this into perspective, he was part of the same draft class as JP Losman.
Given that Ralph Wilson and Russ Brandon refused to renegotiate his very unfair contract after he was named to the Pro Bowl and 2nd Team All Pro twice, I'm not sure how Peters feels about the Bills.
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16 hours ago, soflabillsfan1 said:
A simple adult adoption that required getting both his crackhead Mom and runaway Dad to show up in court. Good luck with that. You also kept referring to the "family friend" lawyer. That guy is Jimmy Sexton. One of the most powerful, respected agents in all of sports. Oher is going to come out looking bad in this but it doesn't matter.
Try Googling "adult adoption in Tennessee". All that's required is for the biological parents to be notified. They don't need to agree to it nor do they have to be present in court. FYI, according to Touhey, Oher's mother was, in fact, in court.
In one of the articles cited in this thread, Sexton was identified as a close family friend of Touhey as well as the lawyer who set up the conservatorship. His status and reputation doesn't exempt his actions from scrutiny in regards to the ethics of his being involved in giving his friend financial control of someone who became his client.
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1 minute ago, syhuang said:
I find below interesting. In Michael Other's own book "I Beat the Odds" in 2011 (note: not Michael Lewis' famous book "The Blind Side: Evolution of a Game" in 2006, which the movie bases on), it has mentioned Sean and Leigh Anne would be named as my "legal conservators" in page 168.
Oher's book was published in 2011 so it doesn't look like the whole adoption and conservatorship thing is something Oher just found out recently.
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FAQ: Sorting out the biggest claims in 'Blind Side' controversy
On Page 168 of his 2011 bestseller, "I Beat the Odds," Oher describes the legal process of joining the Tuohy family in the summer after he graduated high school:
Leigh Anne and Sean had already assumed responsibility for me as guardians, which allowed them to sign my school permission slips and take me to medical appointments. This last step was the one that would make everything binding.
It kind of felt like a formality, as I'd been a part of the family for more than a year at that point. Since I was already over the age of eighteen and considered an adult by the state of Tennessee, Sean and Leigh Anne would be named as my "legal conservators." They explained to me that it means pretty much the exact same thing as "adoptive parents," but that the laws were just written in a way that took my age into account. Honestly, I didn't care what it was called. I was just happy that no one could argue that we weren't legally what we already knew was real: We were a family.
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The Touheys lied to Oher because a conservatorship is not an adoption. The law in Tennessee allows for adult adoptions. They chose to use a conservatorship rather than a simple adult adoption.
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I Am Not Optimistic Going Into This Season
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Suck it up, Buttercup. As a long time Bills fan, I survived the Bills struggling to win 2 games all season long. I survived 0-for-the-1970s. I survived HCs who were so incompetent that the players mutinied (Hank Bullough) and HCs whose aim was not to lose by too much (Dick Jauron). I survived a #1 overall pick who refused to play for the Bills (Tom Cousineau). I survived watching players the Bills developed into stars leave for other teams over and over and over again. I survived a football organization that that put profits over winning for a decade.
I'll worry about the wheels falling off the Bills' juggernaut when I actually see the wheels coming falling off.