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I loved Mangold when he came out of college (I think the Bills traded back into the first round to take John McCargo with Mangold still available) but I think that ship has sailed. The Bills need to draft a young center, even with one of their first rounders if there's a really good one available. Groy and a Day 1 or Day 2 rookie > Groy and Mangold for 2018 ... and hopefully for the future.

Yeah, and Rob Johnson and Matt Flynn both looked great in a single game ... if I had a $1 for every crappy QB in the last 25 years who looked good for a quarter or even an entire game and then sucked when given a chance to be a regular starter, I could have retired a decade earlier.

Realistically, good QBs seldom hit FA. Mostly they're back ups, and not necessarily good ones. Cousins is the best FA QB since Peyton was released by Indy. Before that, the best QB to hit FA was Brees. However much some fans may not like it, Taylor may be the best the Bills can do for a veteran QB. Cousins is the only likely FA who would be better, and he's going to command big $$$. Bradford would be better but how long are his gimpy knees going to hold up? The preseason? Half a season? One game? Both Glennon and McKown are career backups. Cutting Taylor and bringing in McCarron is the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Taylor is not "the answer" but he's certainly better than McCarron. Maybe the Bills can bring back Thad Lewis ...

In case you don't realize it, the Bills don't have enough draft picks in the entire 2018 draft to fill all the holes they've created, and that's supposing that they were to hit on every pick, including Day 3 picks, which means they'd have to get replacements in FA, which likely would eat up all the "savings" from jettisoning all those players. Just replacing Taylor would likely cost $10 million for somebody no better plus a significant cap hit, so there'd actually be little savings. Of course, if your aim is for the Bills to actually tank in 2018, your "plan" is probably perfect. A team without a starting QB and an OL isn't likely to win many games. Bull manure. What makes you think that making the playoffs won't make the Pegulas expect more and continuing improvement? Moreover, gutting the team would undermine McDermott's entire "trust the process" mantra with the remaining players. Exactly right. PFF's algorithm for grading OLers has logical flaws, primarily that they assume they can figure out the blocking assignments from film when they actually can't unless they know exactly what play was called and exactly how it was drawn up so they know the blocking assignments. What's incongruous about PFF's grades is that with these good grades from PFF the Bills OL should have played significantly better on a regular basis than it did. The Bills OL didn't play nearly as well as it had in 2016. Famous last words.

Shouldn't Peterman have already worked on his arm strength and velocity if he harbored thoughts of playing in the NFL? Sorry, but even though the Bills made the playoffs in 2017, there's no proof that "the process the Bill's are trying to get the team better" actually works. Neither McDermott nor Beane have built a successful team on their own; they've only been part of successful teams built by others. Certainly Peterman's poor performance doesn't inspire confidence in Team McBean.

Taylor ran a "pro offense" in 2015 and 2016 when the Bills had an OC who gave the Bills a "pro offense". The "primitive passing offense" was courtesy of Dennison's failings as well as the stupid personnel decisions made by the Bills FO in shipping out all of the Bills starting WRs from 2015 and 2016 as well as letting Gillislee leave, too.

POINT. SET. MATCH. I simply don't understand why so many fans act as if this kid is something more than what he's shown. The guy was a fifth round draft pick for the very basic reason that he lacks most of the physical traits necessary for an NFL QB, and there's no way that he's going to change his arm strength or other physical shortcomings. His ceiling has always been modest backup at best, and he hasn't demonstrated that he's likely to be even that good.

I think it all depends upon which college QB the Bills like in the draft -- if they like any of them enough to consider trading up -- and if the team thinks it's possible to get to him. In this case, the Bills won't consider Cousins. If they don't like any of the college QBs or if they don't think they can get to him, then maybe Cousins is in play -- if Washington lets him finally walk.

This might be the crux of the problem. Position coaches teach techniques and run through play assignments. I don't think most design plays or defensive coverages. The overall success of an offensive or defensive unit depends upon how the plays/coverages/schemes are drawn up, which are usually the province of the OC or DC along with the HC.

Numerous posters who want to get rid of Taylor to save money (as opposed to those who just hate him and want him gone no matter the cost) seem to have no idea of how expensive QB are. A veteran backup QB with minimal competence will probably cost $5+ million a year. A veteran backup QB with better skills is going to cost more. This is why many teams draft Day 2 or 3 QBs as backups and keep them until they done with their rookie contracts which are a whole lot cheaper. A QB who could be a "bridge" QB is probably going to cost as much as Glennon or Taylor if not more (like Smith).

My point is that scouting -- finding and evaluating prospects -- is much more thorough than it was in the past. QBs with NFL quality arms and other good physical attributes are going to be drafted even if they go to smaller programs or even to Div II schools (like Flacco). Actually, Warner and Romo, who were UDFAs when they came out (Warner 20+ years ago, Romo 12+ years ago), would likely have been drafted today, even if on Day 3, although generally QBs with NFL arms go on Day 1 and Day 2.

I totally agree. They need to take at least one OLer on Day 1 or 2 and at least one or more on Day 3. They need to bring in a bunch of UDFAs, too.

I will agree that the Bills write bad contracts, but my problem isn't players getting injured. How come other teams manage to pay several premier players at the same time and still manage to keep several of their home-grown vets coming off their rookie contracts but the Bills "can't afford" to keep most of the good young vets they develop even though they aren't paying for a premier QB and pass rusher? That should be what chaps Bills fans' butts not that the Bills gave a contract to solid player who then suffered a career ending injury. BTW, Wood was 30 or 31 which is not all that "old" for an OLer who often play into their mid thirties and beyond.

That's all part of not putting winning ahead of profits. The Bills could have had their QB last year but they needed to replace Gilmore ... and don't forget that they also used a second on Zay Jones since they let both Woods and Goodwin go, too. Since the late 1990s, they've used an inordinate number of first and second round draft picks to replace the DBs, WRs, and RBs that they didn't re-sign after their rookie contracts. White is a very nice player, and maybe neither Mahomes nor Watson develop into franchise QBs but they needed a QB in 2017, had an opportunity to take one, and passed on all of them until Day 3. Now, they're exactly where they were last year at this time, only they have the 21st pick rather than the 10th.

Dead on! If Mahomes or Watson go on to become a franchise QB and the Bills fail again to get one of their own, then allowing Gilmore to walk away and replacing him with Tre White may be one of the costliest deals the Bills have ever made ... only time will tell.

Maybe if the Bills put winning ahead of profits, they'd develop a coherent policy/program in regards to drafting/retaining talent and wouldn't be signing and then cutting veterans.

I agree completely. My complaint with the Bills is that they spend so much draft capital replacing the young vets that they let walk that they don't have enough left to draft and develop young talent in hard to fill positions like OL or QB. I'm not going to complain about the Bills extending solid veterans since that's an improvement over how they've operated in the past.

I'm not going to argue that the Bills didn't/don't need an upgrade at center because I agree that they have needed that for a while. I have been arguing since last summer that the interior of the Bills OL needs upgrading and/or better depth because of age and talent level not to mention how frequently OLers get hurt, as Glenn has shown. That Wood was never as good a center as Glenn was a left tackle doesn't mean he wasn't worth extending. There may have not been any better options either on the team or available on the FA market. His deal might very well be the going rate for a starting NFL center. My argument is simply that complaining that Wood's contract was "bad" because of his injury is nothing more than hindsight.

Wood's contract is only a "bad contract" because he can't play football. Would it have been "bad contract" if it wasn't a long-standing condition but a game injury like what happened to Ryan Shazier? Maybe the Bills medical staff should have been more thorough but I don't know that teams are necessarily going to do MRIs, xrays, etc if the player hasn't had a history of a specific injury or complaints about pain. It's just one of those "manure happens" situations.

I don't follow college football, so I don't know if there was some reason for Prescott to fall to fourth round, but I think it's still a little early to declare Prescott a "success" on the same level or better as the Cowgirls' QB he replaced, Tony Romo.

Wilson went in round 3. That's not "late rounds". It's Day 2 ... and Wilson's physical limitation was his height, or more precisely, his lack of it. If he'd been 6'2 or so, he'd have gone in the Top 5. NFL GMs want big, tall QBs so they take chances on lesser prospects like Osweiler (6'7 or 6'8) early but leave short guys like Brees or Wilson or slightly built guys like Cousins to languish.

Totally agree. When a QB from North Dakota State goes #2 in the draft, that means that the scouts are not only scouring the hinterlands, they aren't letting any potential Tom Bradys slip through the cracks like they may have done twenty years ago. These days, a kid who goes in the late rounds is seriously lacking in the physical attributes necessary for an NFL QB, so he's not even a decent bet to make a "solid backup".

You are not going to convince the diehards that Peterman is a dud. Hell, his own incompetence won't even convince some of them that he's not pro material. If the Bills drafted him, they must have seen his "potential" because the Bills have demonstrated their unerring ability to find "QB diamonds in the rough".

My guess is that Plan C is more likely than Plan A or Plan B simply based on the reality that there are limited options for the Bills to get another QB who might be an upgrade to Taylor. My plan C would be to keep Taylor because he's probably the best the Bills can do unless they get Cousins or Smith, and then draft a QB in Round 2 or 3 if there's one who looks like he would at least make a decent backup QB. The Bills need a backup better than Peterman; his only recommendation is that he's cheap.

How, exactly, have the Patriots been "proactive" in "drafting and grooming quarterbacks"? Since Belichick came to NE, he's only drafted backup QBs with the possible exception of Garoppolo. You're confusing the horsehoe Belichick had up his ass when he made Tom Brady the Patriots' sixth round pick in the 2000 draft with prescience. Matt Cassel was a sixth rounder, too. Brian Hoyer was an UDFA. Jacoby Brissette was a fourth rounder. Garoppolo was a second rounder, but you can count the number of second rounders who have developed into franchise QBs in the last two decades on the fingers of one hand and have digits left over. Neither Cassel nor Hoyer played as well for any other teams as they did for NE. Brisette isn't going to make Indy trade Andrew Luck even if his health was guaranteed. As for Garoppolo, he has indeed looked really good in his short time starting in SF but Osweiler looked good for most of the season when he subbed for Peyton, so the jury is still out on just how good he might be IMO. Over the years the Patriots have drafted other backup QBs, including third rounder Ryan Mallett, but none of them has been any better than the scrubs that the Bills have drafted over the years. The Patriots have been better at finding QBs that fit their system, judging QB talent, and putting their QBs in positions to succeed if they get on the field. That Patriots' backup QBs have done well when asked to perform in place of Brady over the years but have failed to find any success as starters only supports the idea that it's coaching and the system that accounts for it rather than any formula or process for "drafting and grooming quarterbacks".