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It's not "air go", it's "ergo".

"Not ready to become starters?" Seriously??? Ducasse has been in the league for 9 years and sucked all those years. Bodine has been in the league for 5 years and sucked all those years, despite being the starter in Cinci. He couldn't even beat out career backup, Ryan Groy. Marshall Newhouse has been in the league for 8 years and sucked all those years. As for "fixing the defense", I might agree if the defense had bothered to show up on Sunday.

No, they do not draft well. They gamble on high risk prospects and often trade up to get them which is a waste draft capital. PFF's algorithm for rating OLs and OLers is unreliable at best. If Teller was that good, he wouldn't have been around at the end of the fifth round where they took him which is Day Three of the draft. If he was that good, he'd have been a Day Two pick.

Beast Mode is just doing what Beast Mode does.

If you have a house that needs a new roof and a new front porch but is otherwise sound, do you tear it down or do you fix what needs fixing because your budget is limited? Apparently, McDermott and Beane would tear down the house and live in an old RV in the driveway while waiting to win the lottery after spending the repair budget on the RV and lottery tix.

I agree whole-heartedly, except that it's not insecurity overcoming judgement. McDermott and Beane are simply incompetent at running a football team. If McDermott stuck to coaching the team, he'd be okay, but both he and Beane are clueless when it comes to talent evaluation and cap management, so allowing them control over personnel and cap management is a prescription for epic fail.

The Browns went 0-16 last year, so it would seem that the Bills could only tie for "worst team in 10 years" but with the sharp minds of McDermott and Beane "being on the same page", I'm sure they'll manage to surpass even the hapless Brownies.

I absolutely can when the Bills have done the very same thing under the Pegulas as they did under Wilson. Pegula bought the team in 2013. All of the players on that list who were signed/drafted in and after 2011 were sent packing under Pegula's ownership ... and don't forget that Pegula was so impressed with Russ Brandon, the head honcho of the Bills since 2006, that he gave him control of the Sabres as well.

Bull manure! The Bills "could not keep their talent they had" because they never keep the talent they develop! That's "the process" that the Bills have followed since the beginning of the salary cap, although it became much worse since Russ Brandon took control of the team in 2006. The Bills have been the NFL's farm team for the entire 21st century. Among the notable players the Bills have sent packing rather than paying and who've gone on to become important starters on playoff teams are: Antowan Smith, RB, 1997 -- starter, 2001 NE Patriot Super Bowl champions Antoine Winfield, CB, 1999 - multiple Pro Bowls with Minnesota Vikings Nate Clements, CB, 2001 - Pro Bowler with Minnesota Vikings Willis McGahee, RB, 2003 - two time Pro Bowler with Baltimore and Denver Jabari Greer, CB, UDFA 2004 - starter with 2009 SB Champion New Orleans Saints Jason Peters, LT, UDFA 2005 - two time All Pro and nine time Pro Bowl LT with the Philadelphia Eagles Donte Whitner, SS, 2006 - two time Pro Bowler on San Francisco 49ers and Cleveland Browns; started on 49ers in 2012 Super Bowl Marshawn Lynch, RB, 2007 - two time All Pro RB with Seattle Seahawks, including the 2013 SB championship Paul Posluszny, MLB, 2007 - Pro Bowler, 7 year starter with Jacksonville Jaguars Jairus Byrd, FS, 2009 - starter with New Orleans Saints Andy Levitre, OG, 2009 - long time starter with 2016 SB runner-up Atlanta Falcons Nigel Bradham, LB, 2012 - starter with 2017 SB Champion Philadelphia Eagles Marcell Dareus, DT, 2011 - starter with 2017 AFC Conference Championship runner up Jacksonville Jaguars in 2018 Chris Hogan, WR, UDFA 2011 by Miami, UFA signed to Bills PS in 2012 - starter for 2016 SB Champion NE Patriots Stephon Gilmore, CB, 2012 - Pro Bowler with Bills - starter for 2017 SB runner-up NE Patriots Cordy Glenn, LT, 2012 - starter with the Cincinnati Bengals Robert Woods, WR, 2013 - starter with LA Rams in 2017 Marquise Goodwin, WR, 2013 - starter with SF 49ers in 2017 Sammy Watkins, WR, 2014 - starter with LA Rams in 2017 and with KC Chiefs in 2018 Preston Brown, MLB, 2014 - starter with the Cincinnati Bengals Ronald Darby, CB, 2015 - starter for 2017 SB Champion Philadelphia Eagles I trust McDermott and Beane to continue this great Bills tradition since they made such an impressive start ...

They're getting what they deserve for their incompetence. IMO, Beane was hired because he shared Russ Brandon's "money ball" philosophy. Saving some $$ seems the only rationale for trading away a veteran QB if the starter has had 2 NFL starts, and his backup is a rookie not deemed ready to face NFL defenses. He seems as incompetent at doing that as he's been in judging FA talent.

Another great move by this clueless FO. He was a Bill for what, 3 months? Of course, trading for Corey Coleman was an even stupider move: he cost the Bills $3.5 million in dead cap money for a week or ten days.

If 17 years of no playoffs with 15 non-winning seasons didn't empty the Ralph, bringing in Kaepernick wouldn't do so either. Bills fans settle for a crap product, which is why the Bills don't bother to truly put winning before profits. Do you know why the Glory Years happened? Crowds of 20k fans in then Rich Stadium in the 1980s post-Chuck Knox happened. Since attendance was a significant revenue source for NFL teams back then the mostly empty stadium hit Wilson where it hurt: his profit. That's when he turned the team over to Polian, and, as they, "the rest is history".

Building for the future? ROTFLMAO. They spent the existing talent on the team to collect draft capital to get a QB and LB ... and put a team with expansion-team level talent around them. It's going to take another 3 plus years to even get back to the talent they had when McDermott was hired if they hit on most of their draft picks and FAs, and from what McDermott/Beane have done so far, that's not going to happen.

Nate Solder is a LT. They didn't need him because LT was the only OL position where the Bills actually had depth with Cordy Glenn healthy, Dion Dawkins looking good as a rookie, and Seantrel Henderson a solid backup. McDermott/Beane fixed that in short ordper. They let Henderson walk away in FA to the Texans for whom he became their starting LT. Then they traded away Cordy Glenn, incurring a $9.6 million cap hit. Glenn is Cinci's starting LT. If the Bills had kept Dareus so that they wouldn't have to sign Star, they would have something like $7 million extra to spend on FAs -- like maybe re-signing EJ Gaines rather than spending on Vontae Davis and Phillip Gaines. If they had kept Taylor, they wouldn't have had to sign AJ McCarron ... and face having Nate Peterman wasting a roster spot ... and saved $9.7 million in dead cap space for Taylor and McCarron.

McDermott is a "my way or the highway" HC. Dareus was not a "malcontent" in the locker room. He didn't fit in with whatever McDermott wanted in his players, so McDermott wanted him gone without regard to the consequences for the team on the field or for the cap. The same with the Watkins trade; again a player was sent packing because he didn't "fit" the HC's mold, leaving the Bills without any speed or reliabilty among the WRs. That's not having a plan, that's accommodating the HC's my-way-or-the-highway mentality.

Even a change of ownership can't change that mentality. It's gotta be something in the air. Once again, the Bills are in cap trouble because they decided to get rid of decent players because they simply didn't fit in with the Bills short-term plans without regard to how doing so would impact the cap or the results on the field. That's called "incompetence". It's what you get when you hire a first time HC and give him control over player personnel, and then hire a first time GM without player evaluation/management experience. That's also called "incompetence".

I think that's because the right wingers they'd be offending would be their fellow owners and execs. As history shows, the Bills don't really care if they offend their fanbase because they've done that repeatedly with the crap product they repeatedly have put on the field over the decades.

Yeah, leaving an incompetent HC/GM combo in place seems like the prescription for building the next NFL winning dynasty. /sarcasm off Another advocate for keeping an incompetent HC/GM combo in the name of "continuity". What's the f'ing point? Further cementing the Bills' reputation for being a dysfunctional organization????

Dissing SVP doesn't change the fact that the Bills sucked, and don't look like they'll improve any time soon.

I've been saying this since last season. Like Jauron, his stoicism is a positive trait in the eyes of true believers because it masks his cluelessness about offensive football.

The problem is McDermott and Beane being incompetent to have control of personnel matters. I have no problem with McDermott as coach, but to give a first time NFL HC control over player personnel is stupid (ask Philly about Chip Kelly), and then hiring a first time GM without a background in pro personnel evaluation and/or management to work with said HC is a prescription for the disaster we saw yesterday .. . and likely to see next week and the week after since the Chargers are similar in ability to Baltimore, and the Vikings are a serious Super Bowl contender with a nasty D. He can't conjure a better OL, a sure-handed WR corps, and a competent QB out of thin air. I didn't say "better than Peterman" because that's easy although that wouldn't mean he could play even minimally well, say on a level with Trent Edwards. Whaley's problems with HCs is why he's no longer the Bills GM more than anything IMO. That's on the Bills ownership, however, for the way they organized the team's power structure. Two about equal power centers in the same organization (in the Bills' case, that would be GM and HC) is a prescription for conflict. I'm skeptical that the Bills are going to be able to avoid several more embarrassments no matter how good Allen and Edmunds may play this season.

Whaley was fired because he lost the power struggle with McDermott that developed as the team was preparing for the draft. My guess is it was a decision by the owners because McDermott was picked by them while Whaley was not only Brandon's guy but he had also been involved in a power struggle with Doug Marrone in 2014 which may have led to Marrone leaving after that season.

Didn't all the McDermott/Beane fanboys say pretty much the same thing about the Ravens? IMO, it doesn't matter if the Chargers aren't that good because the Bills definitely ARE THAT BAD.

What about Matthews and Phillip Gaines? Matthews sucked last year, and Phillip Gaines isn't nearly as good as EJ Gaines whom the Bills didn't re-sign. How the hell can you claim that bottom feeder veteran FAs are "low-risk/high reward situations"? They're known quantities. They're cheap because they're lousy!!!!

No team would deliberately look this bad this early in the season ... or any time in the season.