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Point 1 - if Darnold becomes a good QB then who drafted him will be totally irrelevant. If he proves to be a bust, then who drafted him will also be irrelevant. Being "his guy" or "their guy" only matters when a highly drafted QB prospect doesn't develop into more than a mediocre starter and a team has to decide whether to keep him or move on. Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" until he proved himself a good QB. If Tampa moves on from Jameis Winston, it won't be that he's not Bruce Arians' "guy" but that he simply hasn't developed into a good enough NFL QB. Point 2 - the only legitimate reasons to pass a great QB prospect when the opportunity to draft one arises is that a) you already have a franchise QB on your roster or b) you already drafted a great QB prospect the previous year or two or c) the player evaluators don't like the QB prospect(s) available. Passing on a great QB prospect in order to give your future GM a chance to draft "his own guy" is beyond stupid simply because the team may not have the opportunity to draft a great QB prospect for the next 5 years or more, either because there aren't any QBs worth drafting (2013) or all the great QB prospects are already gone (2004 or 2016).

This also works on the snowblower chute ... and it's a whole lot cheaper and safer than the products you can buy at the hardware store/home center.

Does your friend also stop at little "self service" farm stands (the kind with a small box for you to leave your payment) and pay for 3 green peppers while taking 4?

I've seen this very recipe for "buttermilk" elsewhere ... and you can also use lemon juice instead of vinegar because "buttermilk" is the fermented by-product of making butter (hence the name).

It wasn't aimed at you or what you posted. It was a general statement in response to the post saying that the Browns had a tougher SOS than the Bills because many posters on TSW like to spin scenarios that make the Bills look good when those scenarios aren't supported by facts ... and sometimes just the opposite. I understand your reasoning about the Browns. Yours is a very different rationale than the simple minded dismissal of predictions that the Browns could be a very good or excellent team simply because the Bills are the only team allowed to make a sudden leap from bottom feeder to SB contender ... at least in the minds of some homers on TSW.

Facts are irrelevant to homerism.

Why not????? Did you watch Mayfield play much last season? He demonstrated every bit as much leadership as Josh Allen did but added excellent passing ability to it. Mayfield still has to get better, but It's a lot easier to score a run when you start from third base rather than from first or second, and that's about where Mayfield was last season in relation to his fellow rookie QBs. Mayfield needs to make the least improve to become a decent NFL QB while the other guys all have to improve much more to get to the same place. If Mayfield improves significantly over what he did last season -- which is what Bills, Jets, Dolphins, and Ravens fans all expect their kids to do -- then he'll be up there with Wentz, Goff, and Mahomes as a budding young superstar. Moreover, the Browns, like the Rams pre-McVay, had added talent over the years -- especially since John Dorsey took over -- that was obscured by poor coaching. Most analysts think that with better coaching than Hue Jackson provided last season, the Browns could have won 8 or 9 games -- and they've added considerable veteran talent through FA and trades in 2019. The 2018 Browns reminded analysts of the sudden rise of the Eagles and Rams under new regimes in 2017. The same questions being asked about Kitchens (who was interim OC last season after Haley got canned) were asked about McVay in 2017. If Bills fans believe the Bills are a 9+ win team in 2019 because of the anticipated improvement in Allen and what they've done in the off-season, how is it unreasonable to think that a team that was more talented, had a better rookie QB, and that played better than the Bills in 2018 should also improve after adding more talent in the off season? Great minds think alike! You posted this while I was writing mine! They say pretty much the same thing!!!

Maybe if the Bills made the playoffs more often than seventeen year cicadas hatch, maybe occasionally making them on miraculous plays wouldn't be so noticeable. The Bills beat the Colts in OT when McCoy ran for 65 yards for the winning score ... after the Bills allowed the Colts to score their only TD on a 19 play drive that took up nearly 10 minutes of the 4th quarter. The Bills wouldn't have made the playoffs despite Shady's heroics against Indy if Andy Dalton didn't throw a 49 yard TD pass to Tyler Boyd on a fourth and 12 play with less than a minute to play to keep Baltimore from taking the final wild card slot. I suppose I could have cited Nathan's scintillating play against the Chargers as making the Indy win and the Ravens loss necessary ... but ... probably not ...

It's less not knowing football and much more simple homerism that refuses to acknowledge that any team except the Bills can turn around long-term crappiness.

How, exactly, has Pegula "finally got it right for the Bills"? The Bills landed in the 2017 playoffs only because the Colts defenders couldn't tackle Shady in a snowstorm and the Ravens defenders fell asleep on 4th and 12 at the end of the game. The Bills won 6 games in 2018 and, frankly, are lucky they still have a healthy starting QB for the poor offensive talent they put around him. They lost 4 games by 2 TDs or more in 2017 and 6 more by 2 TDs or more in 2018. Maybe the Bills will turn it around in 2019 but there's no guarantee that they will -- and no evidence that the Pegulas have learned much about building a winning football team which starts with building a competent organization. They have certainly failed to do so with the Sabres in their seven years as owners.

This list smacks of simply repeating excuses circulated by the Bills FO to cover their collective backsides for making poor decisions. Don't give me this "They never anticipated losing Wood and Incognito" BS. Yes, Wood's force retirement was an unexpected blow, but Incognito was 36 years old. A competent FO anticipates that 36 year old OLers just might not be around too much longer ... or, heaven forbid, OLers might get injured. Despite losing Incognito and with John Miller having struggled in 2017 and Vlad Ducasse being a career bottom-feeder OG, the Bills finally got around to drafting their one and only 2018 OLer at the end of the fifth round. Technically, the Bills had Tyrod Taylor and Nathan Peterman on the payroll at the beginning of free agency, and then traded Taylor to the Browns a day after the FA began. McCarron was signed after Taylor was traded. If FA WRs chose to sign elsewhere because of the QB situation, that's on Beane/McDermott for choosing to have such inexperienced/incompetent (Peterman) QBs on the roster. Saying that "they were committed to only spending only so much in free agency, because the objective was to free up as much room under the cap as possible" says that they -- Beane, McDermott, Pegula, all the bean-counters at OBD -- were perfectly okay with spending huge amounts of draft capital to get a first round QB but weren't really interested in seeing him succeed. How is that significantly different from the way that the Donahoe or the Brandon/Levy/Jauron or the Brandon/Nix/ Whaley regimes operated -- exciting the fan base with individual FA signings or draft picks but never building a quality team to make those signings worthwhile? As for re-signing Woods, I doubt that the Bills ever had any expectations of doing so. Woods was simply too good to settle for whatever the Bills were willing to offer him. The last top class WR that the Bills drafted and re-signed for the current market rate for #1 WRs was Eric Moulds. While Lee Evans was also re-signed, he had never played as well as expected. It wasn't a case of they couldn't "afford" to re-sign Stephon Gilmore, either. It's that they chose to not to do so because that's been the Bills practice for decades: draft first round DBs, develop them into top players, and let them walk away in FA rather than pay them. Only first rounder Leotis McKelvin, who was never more than a competent DB, was re-signed. Winfield, Clements, Whitner, and Gilmore all left because the Bills decided to draft their replacements rather than pay them. One of the big reasons that I'm not sold on the Beane and McDermott regime being any more successful than their predecessors is that they've done so many things the same way they've been done in the past. They seem to be carrying on the tainted legacy of Russ Brandon of putting the making more profit ahead of winning more games. Before he was hired by the Bills, Brandon's claim to fame was gutting the Florida Marlins the year after they won the 1997 World Series (Fire Sale ). That shouldn't be surprising since they were both hired while he was in charge of the team, so it's likely they share his views about paying for players. From your post, it certainly sounds that way, which to my mind doesn't bode well for building a winning franchise on their watch. The way the entire QB situation was handled in 2018, from not providing Allen with an experienced QB coach to the get-go to keeping Peterman on the roster long after it became clear that the team wouldn't play for him to waiting a month for Anderson and to finally getting around to signing a somewhat competent backup QB only after Anderson got injured doesn't scream "this organization is going to do whatever it needs to do to win games". It says just the opposite. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not jumping on this bandwagon until it proves itself. I've been fooled too many times before by the Bills.

Famous last words, Nostradamus. Think about all the teams that looked like shoo-ins for the playoffs in the preseason -- like Pitt and Jax in 2018 -- that come a cropper for all kinds of reasons other than injury once they started to play the games for real.

So, if neither Allen nor Edmunds improves significantly and the team has another 6 win season, you're okay with that? Really?

1. Edmunds has to improve significantly. Moreover, lots of rookies who play decently fail to improve. Dion Dawkins on the OL is a case in point. The NFL is not college, and the general rule for DTs is that it will take them 2 or 3 seasons to not only master all the techniques but to learn their opponents and how best to beat/neutralize them -- while at the same time the OLers will be concentrating on learning how to best neutralize Oliver. DT is one of the hardest positions to transition from college to pros because a lot of these young studs who got by on their raw talent have to become students of the game in the pros. 2. I have no doubt that the OL will be better than last season but that's because it doesn't seem possible that it could be any worse. That doesn't mean that it will be good. It's simply wishful thinking to believe that it could be good enough to consistently open holes for the running game without having a decent passing game to keep defenses honest. 3. Nick Foles was never sitting at home in October hoping some team would call him. He contemplated retiring after being cut by the Rams in 2016 but re-signed with the Chiefs about a week later. He also has started 36 games prior to re-signing with Philly in 2017, and was named to the Pro Bowl in 2013 when he threw 27 TDs and 2 INTs in Chip Kelly's fast paced offense. Foles played in 3 regular season games in 2017 and 5 in 2018, although they were split between the beginning and end of the season in 2018 IIRC.

The Bills chances for a positive season are dependent upon Allen growing significantly as an NFL QB. If he does that, the Bills should be able to get 8 or 9 wins but if he doesn't improve his passing game as well as demonstrate some mastery of the mental part of the game, which includes learning to run judiciously so that he is less likely to be injured, then not only will the season be a disappointment but the likelihood of him developing into a good/great NFL QB are seriously in doubt. First round QBs who don't make significant improvement as 2nd year starters seldom go on to become successful starting QBs. That's nonsense. Just because fans want to see results on the field before anointing McDermott and Beane the second coming of Levy and Polian doesn't mean that they wish the Bills to fail. Numerous NFL teams bring in new regimes and start winning with regularity within 2 years -- sometimes winning big like Philadelphia -- so it's not unreasonable to expect the Bills to start showing real improvement by their 3rd season into a new regime. What's unreasonable is continuing to make excuses for a regime that shows little improvement. Whistling past the cemetery again, eh? The Bills D was not dominant last season, and it's not going to be all dominant this season. The Bills need to significantly improve their run defense and their pass rush. The Bills anemic running game from 2018 isn't suddenly going to transform into the 2005 Bears simply by improving the worse OL in the NFL last season and adding a 36 year old veteran RB and a rookie, especially if Allen is hurt and can't pad their run stats with his own runs. If Matt Barkley was good enough to be more than a stop-gap backup QB, he wouldn't have been sitting at home in October.

Yada yada. The Bills have been blaming the salary cap for their on-field woes -- and their fans have been accepting that excuse -- for twenty years. You can continue to buy it if you want, but I'm no longer buying the BS the Bills are selling. Either they produce on the field or McDermott and Beane deserve to go the way of all the other failed Bills HCs and GMs over the last twenty years. I'm not going to lionize McDermott and Beane for drafting Allen, Edmunds, Oliver, Ford or any of the other youngsters until those players prove themselves on the field, either.

How is this different from McDermott and Beane? McDermott didn't like Watkins, and he was traded and replaced by Benjamin. McDermott didn't like Dareus, and he was replaced, eventually, by Loutelei. McDermott didn't like Taylor, and McDermott attempted to replace him with Peterman in 2017, and then did see him replaced by Peterman in 2018. While there wasn't any indication that McDermott didn't like Glenn per se, certainly he was deemed expendable and was replaced by Dawkins who played poorly enough as a sophomore that there's realistic questions about his role on the 2019 team. I don't think that Bills fans should laugh too much at the Jests and their fans because the Bills have done nothing in 20 years to demonstrate that they are in any way a competent organization. The currrent Bills regime hasn't yet proven their competence either.

And all those great moves got the Bills 6 wins in 2018. If the team doesn't do significantly better on the field, then Beane will be no better than the duds who preceded him in the Bills FO.

As the Bills over the last 20 years demonstrate, pain doesn't necessarily result in gain ... and winning or losing the off-season counts for nothing if you don't win when the games count for real.

We don't know that that's actually true since both McDermott and Beane were hired while Brandon was still in control of the team, and they haven't won anything yet with players they've brought in. I want to see real success on the field, ie double digit regular season wins and playoff appearances more than once every two decades, before I'm willing to say that the current FO is actually better than what the Bills had under Ralph Wilson and Russ Brandon.

I would argue that it wasn't really Nix or Whaley's decision to draft a QB, just the decision which QB from a poor lot. In the 2013 off season, Ralph Wilson died about a month before the draft but he'd been in a final decline throughout 2012 and the fate of the franchise in Buffalo was in question. Russ Brandon was in charge, and he was yet again dedicated to keeping butts in the seats despite the uncertainty ... and there is nothing like a first round QB to fire up a fanbase like drafting a first round QB.

It's entirely within the realm of possibility that that could happen. It might not necessarily be reflected in his stats -- or even in the Bills record -- if the Bills' potential offensive improvement on the OL, running game, and receiving corps materializes but Allen has to improve his passing and his decision making regardless of whether or not his supporting cast is good or not. The quality of play that's acceptable, even encouraging, in a rookie shouldn't still be the norm for a QB at the end of his second season as the starting QB. If Allen isn't significantly better as a QB in December than he was in September -- even if his September was better than his rookie December -- that will be real cause for concern. NFL QBs tend to get better as they gain experience, but at some point, they hit a proverbial wall that defines the upwards limits of their ability. "Busts" hit that wall early on, but most QBs get at least somewhat better in their second and third years as starters, The better the QB, the longer they take to reach that limit. QBs like P Manning, Brady, and Brees seem to never hit that wall. I certainly hope you are wrong, VW82, because if you're right, then Allen will be another first round QB bust. In order to be a genuine franchise QB, one who is elite or close to it, a QB has to absolutely possess "hardwired football instincts" that enable him to almost instantly recognize and process what he sees into action -- appropriate action (ie, a good choice). The closer to the ideal Allen can come, the better QB he will be. If he can't recognize and process what he sees on the field fast enough, he's just a Trent Edwards, an EJ Manuel or a Tyrod Taylor.

I want to see Allen make significant improvement in his mechanics and in his decision making. I want to see that improvement continue throughout the season so that he's a significantly better passer at the end of the season than he started out. I want to see him make more clutch passing plays in the Red Zone. I want to see him run less but more judiciously (and therefore, more effectively). I think if he can do that, his completion percentage will be 60 or better and his TD ratio in the 2/1 range. The hard numbers for passing yards and TDs will depend upon what offensive philosophy the Bills concentrate on (run or pass) and how successful the team has been in improving Allen's supporting cast but the percentages should be about 60 and 2/1. How many games the Bills win depends upon the success of all three phases of the game, and are largely outside of Allen's control. He won't control whether the Bills field a run-heavy offense which will lower his passing stats or the defense lays too many eggs or the special teams suck again. He's not the guy doing the hiring and firing. He's not the one making the game plans or the play calls. All he can do is his job, and if he improves in that role, then he'll be successful whether his team is or not. PS - I didn't include improving his leadership in what Allen needs to do because I think he's already established himself as a leader. He needs to improve his play enough so that his leadership doesn't turn into foolish bravado.

That's his job when he's doing a CBS game. It's not a local broadcast but a national one. If you want to hear Bills-centric broadcast, cut the tv sound and turn on the radio broadcast.

Exactly this. Hard work and good attitude doesn't mean much if players don't have the necessary talent. My biggest gripe about McDermott is that he seems much too willing to forego talent if a player has the right attitude, as exemplified by his insistence on keeping Peterman on the roster.