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I didn't say it did. I said it didn't disqualify him which the poster implied it did simply because he covered sports in southern New England (Mass/Conn/RI). This has nothing to do with Josh Allen and his chances of being a successful NFL QB. I have no opinion on that because I don't have any idea how he'll turn out -- and nobody else has, either. We all have opinions, and right now, the positive opinions of Allen's prospects are based on hope not fact because he didn't play all that well as a rookie.

What "ton of other intangilbes" has Allen demonstrated in his 11 NFL starts? "Intangibles" are traits that enable QBs to be successful that aren't statistically measurable and sometimes aren't even definable but which are keys to separating average NFL QBs from great ones. Work ethic and leadership are two intangibles that Allen has demonstrated that he has. He has not yet demonstrated that he can read defenses quickly and correctly, that he can make good decisions, that he can play "clutch" like Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc. That may be simply that he was only a rookie ... but maybe that means that he doesn't have any or some of these. At this point, nobody really knows.

IOW, Schatz has much more experience watching Brady rather than Losman, Edwards, Fitzpatrick, Manuel, Orton, Taylor, Peterman, and Allen. How, exactly, does that disqualify him from stating his opinion on a Bills QB?

I suppose this scumbag highlights his "traditional family values" in his political campaigns ...

I think Allen won as many games in 2018 as Garoppollo has won in his entire career, so neither has done anything in the NFL. I think both should be lower simply because both are unproven along with Darnold, Rosen, Jackson, Haskins etc. I would put all of these unproven guys in the lower third of the rankings since they're all resting on hopes rather than actual production.

Totally agree. I would be good with #32 being given out to a vet who joined the team and requested it or to a first round rookie, not to a scrub.

That's an excuse for a QB who hasn't started yet in the NFL or who maybe had 1 or 2 games where he played in garbage time. There's enough game film on Peterman for coaches to realize that whatever he shows in practice doesn't translate onto the field in game time when games actually count. He's not the first, and he won't be the last, NFL QB who plays great in practice but sucks in regular season games. He's just so singularly bad -- his faults are both mental and physical -- that the coaches who keep giving him chances have to arrogantly think they are so superior to everybody else that they're capable of turning water into wine. Gruden has never seen a QB he didn't love because his ego won't let him accept that even he can't fix every QB.

Not recognizing your limitations after repeated, glaring failures is simply self-delusion. As long as Peterman wastes a roster space for a team other than the Bills, that's hardly irritating. It's a good thing.

If Peterman wants to stay involved in football, I think he needs to go into coaching. He simply isn't good enough to play QB -- even as a backup -- in the NFL. I thought it was unnecessarily cruel of McDermott to keep throwing him out there when he was clearly emotionally crushed by his failures. The Bills should have brought in a competent veteran QB to backup Allen immediately after the season opener, and that's on both Beane and McDermott. McDermott not insisting on getting someone better, and Beane not getting it done.

If he was a race horse, he'd be a "morning glory" -- a horse that looks great training in the mornings but sucks when he runs when the money's on the line later in the day.

Not having a GM and competent scouting apparatus in place to run the draft is absolutely not acceptable. It's an excuse for an incompetent organization that hasn't done its job. According to former NFL GM Charley Cassserly, the primary job of a GM, even when he has limited power as Whaley had in Buffalo, is to run the draft. Pegula and Brandon knew what they had in Whaley. If they had any doubts about how he might get along with a new HC, they should have fired him at the end of 2016 when they canned Ryan or they should have let him have much more input into the hiring a new coach so that he could get a HC that he could work with (I believe that McDermott was hired by a search committee but I'm not positive that's true). If an organization doesn't "trust" their GM enough to allow him to run their draft and instead turn it over to a rookie HC whose been with the team for a few months at the last minute, what's the point of keeping him and the scouts that answer to him on the payroll until after the draft? Since the NFL is a tiny exclusive club with only 32 members, it's highly unlikely that the Bills could hide that Whaley was a lame-duck from their peers for very long so the excuse that they didn't want to "tip their hand on the draft" is just more excuse making.

Point 1 - if Darnold becomes a good QB then who drafted him will be totally irrelevant. If he proves to be a bust, then who drafted him will also be irrelevant. Being "his guy" or "their guy" only matters when a highly drafted QB prospect doesn't develop into more than a mediocre starter and a team has to decide whether to keep him or move on. Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" until he proved himself a good QB. If Tampa moves on from Jameis Winston, it won't be that he's not Bruce Arians' "guy" but that he simply hasn't developed into a good enough NFL QB. Point 2 - the only legitimate reasons to pass a great QB prospect when the opportunity to draft one arises is that a) you already have a franchise QB on your roster or b) you already drafted a great QB prospect the previous year or two or c) the player evaluators don't like the QB prospect(s) available. Passing on a great QB prospect in order to give your future GM a chance to draft "his own guy" is beyond stupid simply because the team may not have the opportunity to draft a great QB prospect for the next 5 years or more, either because there aren't any QBs worth drafting (2013) or all the great QB prospects are already gone (2004 or 2016).

This also works on the snowblower chute ... and it's a whole lot cheaper and safer than the products you can buy at the hardware store/home center.

Does your friend also stop at little "self service" farm stands (the kind with a small box for you to leave your payment) and pay for 3 green peppers while taking 4?

I've seen this very recipe for "buttermilk" elsewhere ... and you can also use lemon juice instead of vinegar because "buttermilk" is the fermented by-product of making butter (hence the name).

It wasn't aimed at you or what you posted. It was a general statement in response to the post saying that the Browns had a tougher SOS than the Bills because many posters on TSW like to spin scenarios that make the Bills look good when those scenarios aren't supported by facts ... and sometimes just the opposite. I understand your reasoning about the Browns. Yours is a very different rationale than the simple minded dismissal of predictions that the Browns could be a very good or excellent team simply because the Bills are the only team allowed to make a sudden leap from bottom feeder to SB contender ... at least in the minds of some homers on TSW.

Facts are irrelevant to homerism.

Why not????? Did you watch Mayfield play much last season? He demonstrated every bit as much leadership as Josh Allen did but added excellent passing ability to it. Mayfield still has to get better, but It's a lot easier to score a run when you start from third base rather than from first or second, and that's about where Mayfield was last season in relation to his fellow rookie QBs. Mayfield needs to make the least improve to become a decent NFL QB while the other guys all have to improve much more to get to the same place. If Mayfield improves significantly over what he did last season -- which is what Bills, Jets, Dolphins, and Ravens fans all expect their kids to do -- then he'll be up there with Wentz, Goff, and Mahomes as a budding young superstar. Moreover, the Browns, like the Rams pre-McVay, had added talent over the years -- especially since John Dorsey took over -- that was obscured by poor coaching. Most analysts think that with better coaching than Hue Jackson provided last season, the Browns could have won 8 or 9 games -- and they've added considerable veteran talent through FA and trades in 2019. The 2018 Browns reminded analysts of the sudden rise of the Eagles and Rams under new regimes in 2017. The same questions being asked about Kitchens (who was interim OC last season after Haley got canned) were asked about McVay in 2017. If Bills fans believe the Bills are a 9+ win team in 2019 because of the anticipated improvement in Allen and what they've done in the off-season, how is it unreasonable to think that a team that was more talented, had a better rookie QB, and that played better than the Bills in 2018 should also improve after adding more talent in the off season? Great minds think alike! You posted this while I was writing mine! They say pretty much the same thing!!!

Maybe if the Bills made the playoffs more often than seventeen year cicadas hatch, maybe occasionally making them on miraculous plays wouldn't be so noticeable. The Bills beat the Colts in OT when McCoy ran for 65 yards for the winning score ... after the Bills allowed the Colts to score their only TD on a 19 play drive that took up nearly 10 minutes of the 4th quarter. The Bills wouldn't have made the playoffs despite Shady's heroics against Indy if Andy Dalton didn't throw a 49 yard TD pass to Tyler Boyd on a fourth and 12 play with less than a minute to play to keep Baltimore from taking the final wild card slot. I suppose I could have cited Nathan's scintillating play against the Chargers as making the Indy win and the Ravens loss necessary ... but ... probably not ...

It's less not knowing football and much more simple homerism that refuses to acknowledge that any team except the Bills can turn around long-term crappiness.

How, exactly, has Pegula "finally got it right for the Bills"? The Bills landed in the 2017 playoffs only because the Colts defenders couldn't tackle Shady in a snowstorm and the Ravens defenders fell asleep on 4th and 12 at the end of the game. The Bills won 6 games in 2018 and, frankly, are lucky they still have a healthy starting QB for the poor offensive talent they put around him. They lost 4 games by 2 TDs or more in 2017 and 6 more by 2 TDs or more in 2018. Maybe the Bills will turn it around in 2019 but there's no guarantee that they will -- and no evidence that the Pegulas have learned much about building a winning football team which starts with building a competent organization. They have certainly failed to do so with the Sabres in their seven years as owners.

This list smacks of simply repeating excuses circulated by the Bills FO to cover their collective backsides for making poor decisions. Don't give me this "They never anticipated losing Wood and Incognito" BS. Yes, Wood's force retirement was an unexpected blow, but Incognito was 36 years old. A competent FO anticipates that 36 year old OLers just might not be around too much longer ... or, heaven forbid, OLers might get injured. Despite losing Incognito and with John Miller having struggled in 2017 and Vlad Ducasse being a career bottom-feeder OG, the Bills finally got around to drafting their one and only 2018 OLer at the end of the fifth round. Technically, the Bills had Tyrod Taylor and Nathan Peterman on the payroll at the beginning of free agency, and then traded Taylor to the Browns a day after the FA began. McCarron was signed after Taylor was traded. If FA WRs chose to sign elsewhere because of the QB situation, that's on Beane/McDermott for choosing to have such inexperienced/incompetent (Peterman) QBs on the roster. Saying that "they were committed to only spending only so much in free agency, because the objective was to free up as much room under the cap as possible" says that they -- Beane, McDermott, Pegula, all the bean-counters at OBD -- were perfectly okay with spending huge amounts of draft capital to get a first round QB but weren't really interested in seeing him succeed. How is that significantly different from the way that the Donahoe or the Brandon/Levy/Jauron or the Brandon/Nix/ Whaley regimes operated -- exciting the fan base with individual FA signings or draft picks but never building a quality team to make those signings worthwhile? As for re-signing Woods, I doubt that the Bills ever had any expectations of doing so. Woods was simply too good to settle for whatever the Bills were willing to offer him. The last top class WR that the Bills drafted and re-signed for the current market rate for #1 WRs was Eric Moulds. While Lee Evans was also re-signed, he had never played as well as expected. It wasn't a case of they couldn't "afford" to re-sign Stephon Gilmore, either. It's that they chose to not to do so because that's been the Bills practice for decades: draft first round DBs, develop them into top players, and let them walk away in FA rather than pay them. Only first rounder Leotis McKelvin, who was never more than a competent DB, was re-signed. Winfield, Clements, Whitner, and Gilmore all left because the Bills decided to draft their replacements rather than pay them. One of the big reasons that I'm not sold on the Beane and McDermott regime being any more successful than their predecessors is that they've done so many things the same way they've been done in the past. They seem to be carrying on the tainted legacy of Russ Brandon of putting the making more profit ahead of winning more games. Before he was hired by the Bills, Brandon's claim to fame was gutting the Florida Marlins the year after they won the 1997 World Series (Fire Sale ). That shouldn't be surprising since they were both hired while he was in charge of the team, so it's likely they share his views about paying for players. From your post, it certainly sounds that way, which to my mind doesn't bode well for building a winning franchise on their watch. The way the entire QB situation was handled in 2018, from not providing Allen with an experienced QB coach to the get-go to keeping Peterman on the roster long after it became clear that the team wouldn't play for him to waiting a month for Anderson and to finally getting around to signing a somewhat competent backup QB only after Anderson got injured doesn't scream "this organization is going to do whatever it needs to do to win games". It says just the opposite. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not jumping on this bandwagon until it proves itself. I've been fooled too many times before by the Bills.

Famous last words, Nostradamus. Think about all the teams that looked like shoo-ins for the playoffs in the preseason -- like Pitt and Jax in 2018 -- that come a cropper for all kinds of reasons other than injury once they started to play the games for real.

So, if neither Allen nor Edmunds improves significantly and the team has another 6 win season, you're okay with that? Really?

1. Edmunds has to improve significantly. Moreover, lots of rookies who play decently fail to improve. Dion Dawkins on the OL is a case in point. The NFL is not college, and the general rule for DTs is that it will take them 2 or 3 seasons to not only master all the techniques but to learn their opponents and how best to beat/neutralize them -- while at the same time the OLers will be concentrating on learning how to best neutralize Oliver. DT is one of the hardest positions to transition from college to pros because a lot of these young studs who got by on their raw talent have to become students of the game in the pros. 2. I have no doubt that the OL will be better than last season but that's because it doesn't seem possible that it could be any worse. That doesn't mean that it will be good. It's simply wishful thinking to believe that it could be good enough to consistently open holes for the running game without having a decent passing game to keep defenses honest. 3. Nick Foles was never sitting at home in October hoping some team would call him. He contemplated retiring after being cut by the Rams in 2016 but re-signed with the Chiefs about a week later. He also has started 36 games prior to re-signing with Philly in 2017, and was named to the Pro Bowl in 2013 when he threw 27 TDs and 2 INTs in Chip Kelly's fast paced offense. Foles played in 3 regular season games in 2017 and 5 in 2018, although they were split between the beginning and end of the season in 2018 IIRC.