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The Bills would likely be 4-0 with any of those three, so yeah, I would. At this point, and especially yesterday, Allen isn't a competent NFL QB. The NFL isn't a pickup game in street in front of your house, but that seems to be what Allen keeps trying to play.

You could make the claim that it was the Pats D that Allen couldn't deal with if he hadn't made the same mistakes at various times against the Bills three previous opponents. The Bills were good enough to win those three contests despite Allen's intermittent gaffes in all of them, but they came up to bite the Bills in the arse against the Pats.

"Raw but super talented" = "project". It's a kid who has lots of athletic talent -- with QBs that's especially a big arm -- but lacks the kind of skillset that makes him likely to succeed in the NFL. How does that not describe Josh Allen? Allen has a great arm, but poor mechanics and worse decision making partly because he never had good coaching until this season and partly because he's had success relying on his talent alone. In the NFL, talent alone just doesn't cut it. It's what between the ears that counts as much as talent. IMO, Allen shouldn't have been taken in the first round much less the top ten because there's too much to "fix" in his game to bring it up to the level of a competent NFL QB (ie, Joe Flacco, Andy Dalton, Kirk Cousins, etc).

You look at what Allen did in the 2nd half after the TD drive before he was injured: 5 attempts, 2 completions, 1 INT in 3 possessions, 2 of which were 3 and outs. A lesson are only successful if the student learns from it, and Allen doesn't seem to do that. He didn't play any "smarter" yesterday than he did last season before he got hurt. After the second or third INT in the first half, there was a shot on TV of Daboll yelling at Allen and pointing to his head with a gesture that surely said "THINK!!!!". So, name all the "project QBs" -- "raw but super talented" -- drafted in the first round since 2001 who have gone on to become great NFL QBs. I can't think of even one. All the "project QBs" who have developed into good/great NFL QBs were either drafted outside the first round (Jacoby Brissett, Dak Prescott) or were UDFAs (Tony Romo). Here are the first round QBs since 2001 so you don't miss some first round "project QB" who actually developed into a good/great QB. 2001 - Michael Vick 2002 - David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey 2003 - Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman 2004 - Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, JP Lossman 2005 - Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers 2006 - Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler 2007 - JaMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn 2008 - Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco 2009 - Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman 2010 - Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow 2011 - Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder 2012 - Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, Ryan Tannehill, Brandon Weeden 2013 - EJ Manuel 2014 - Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater 2015 - Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota 2016 - Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Paxton Lynch 2017 - Mitch Trubisky, Patrick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson 2018 - Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson

Yes, Super Duper became Jubilee which also disappeared.

Peters would have been #1 on my list, too, except that he was traded outside the window of the last five years. He was traded in 2009 when he was just in his prime -- and a decade later, he's still better than anybody the Bills have had at that position before or since, including Cordy Glenn.

Stephon Gilmore,Robert Woods, Cordy Glenn.

Pretty much this. I think for the first time since the arrival of Brady and Belichick in NE, the Bills actually have comparable talent to the Pats throughout the roster. Unfortunately, they aren't in the same league with NE at QB and HC. Probably no other team is, either. A few teams over the years have had good enough coaching and/or QB play and/or over all talent to go toe-to-toe with the Pats for a game or two but nobody has done it consistently. If the Bills can play NE tough and keep the game close, that probably is the best they'll be able to do. If they can actually win the game, that will border on miraculous, although far more realistic than it appeared to be a month ago.

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I think that if the Bills play NE tough, even if they lose a close game, they'll gain more respect. I don't think that they would move up in that scenario but they probably wouldn't drop very far if at all. With power rankings, who a team plays and how it plays count for more than simply whether they win or lose.

Sometimes, though, the prestige of a program can propel draft prospects to higher positions in the draft than they perhaps merit by their actual play on the field. USC QBs, Penn State LBs, and Iowa OLers seem to be examples of this.

The Lions went into Philly and beat an Eagles team that's considered a bonafide Super Bowl contender. The Texans went to LA and beat the Chargers, another team considered a Super Bowl contender. The Saints went to Seattle -- one of the acknowledged toughest places to play -- and pretty much stuck it to the playoff contender Seahawks without future HOFer Drew Brees and despite the heroics of future HOFer Russell Wilson. The Ravens went into KC and went toe to toe with the offensive juggernaut that is the Mahomes' led Chiefs. The 49ers at home made 5 turn overs and just managed to survive the Roethlisberger-less Steelers. The Bills almost lost their home opener to a winless Bengals team because they sleep walked through the third quarter. All the teams in the NFC North are either undefeated or 1 loss teams. The Packers are 3-0, the Lions 2-0-1, and the Vikings and Bears are 2-1. Maybe you should actually watch other teams rather than just whining.

Right on, man!!! How dare anybody criticize the Bills! They're 3-0, and their play has been as perfect as their record. The Pats are DOOMED! //sarcasm off

What a load of bull manure! Mariota reminds me of Trent Edwards with more talent around him.

Maybe you should have read on. Putting Jackson #8 is not nearly as egregious as putting Matt Ryan and his 5 INTs at #10.

I usually just laugh at these threads bemoaning that the Bills don't get enough "respect" in rankings, but i think that complaints are justified with this QB ranking piece. Obviously, these "ratings" are mostly based on reputation and hype not actual performance. The first four are dead-on, but I don't think Phillip Rivers deserves to be #5 ahead of Wentz, Prescott, and Jackson who have all played better than Rivers. That's no big deal, however, when Matt Ryan with 5 INTS is rated #10 and Baker Mayfield with 4 INTs is #12 while Jared Goff comes in at #11, Stafford at #13, and Dalton at #17. Seriously????? How can Kyler Murray be #15 when he can't produce TDs? The best that can be said of Cam Newton, Marcus Mariota, and Kirk Cousins this season is that they've been ineffective yet they're all in the top 21 ahead of Josh Allen, who has played well and been very effective after the first half of the opener? Allen should be in the top 20 at least, and probably in the top 15. In both his starts, he's shown that he can play clutch when needed, something that several QBs rated ahead of him -- Ryan, Mayfield, Murray, Newton, Mariota, and Cousins -- have failed to do.

Seriously? Have you watched any NFL games except the Bills vs Jets and Giants? When Josh Allen starts regularly throwing for 300+ yards and multiple TDs per game, he might be in the conversation, but so far this season, he's not come close to Mahomes or Jackson in passing, and he's not close to Jackson in running.

I think that the biggest improvement in the offense is the assistant coaches. The Bills didn't just improve their OL and WR personnel, they also changed most of their offensive assistants, and that's paid big dividends. Giving Josh Allen a competent, experienced QB coach in the person of Ken Dorsey has enabled him to start playing like a competent NFL QB not some sandlot hero. Better OL and receiver coaching has enabled the new OLers and receivers, both WRs and TEs, to be more productive than expected from the start.

Welcome to TSW. Beating two bottom feeders at the start of the season just isn't impressive no matter what team does it.

This. I expected Allen to be improved, but I never expected him to show this much improvement this quickly. Allen's improvement puts him at about the same level as Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson who also made a quantum leap between last season and this one.

It should be -32. They lost by 30 to the Pats and by 2 to the Seahawks.

Marrone's problem is that he doesn't have the next Belichick as his DC. Parcells never won a playoff game as HC without Belichick as his DC.

As I've said before, some teams that laid eggs in Week 1 will go on to become playoff teams while some other teams that performed well in Week 1 will wind up in the toilet. Week 2 only gives us a hint of what the teams really are.

I think #12 is a fair ranking at this time. Yes, the Bills are 2-0 and did that on the road but both of their opponents look to be serious bottom-feeders. Until they prove they can beat teams about equal to them or better, they won't get the "respect" that Bills fans think they deserve now. A win, even a lopsided one, next week over Cinci probably won't propel the Bills more than 1 or 2 places higher. If they can go toe-to-toe with the Pats in Week 4, then they'll start being considered a serious playoff contender.

The CBS rankings are messed up big time. First off, the records aren't right. Arizona and Detroit are the only teams that tied but they have the Chargers, Saints, Eagles, and Vikings with ties. The blurbs are all based on week 1. The heavy.com rankings seem to have ranked all the 2-0 teams, then the 1 win teams, and then the winless teams.