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Was Stefon Diggs an UDFA or a refugee from the waiver wire??? Is the Bills OL trash???? For the love of God, STOP LYING TO ADVANCE YOUR AGENDA.

I hear you, and usually I am not one to go chasing pipe-dream trades or FA signings, but Garrett is sooo good that I see the only possible "problem" with him is that he's injured or becomes sick and can't come back. He's toiled valiantly -- and patiently -- for the Browns, so he'll appreciate playing for a top notch organization with a real chance to get a ring.

Carter is a DT, and DTs generally take longer to develop than DEs, especially when they're late Day 2 picks (#31 in the third round). He was also injured IIRC.

So it might have been Monos/Nix. Even under Nix, Whaley evaluated most of the talent. As bad as Manuel was, I will acquit Monos/Nix/Whaley of being so incompetent as to pick Manuel in the first round because they all reported to Russ Brandon, and Brandon wanted a QB in the first round even though there were no QB prospects worth taking in the first round. Ralph Wilson was dying, and the team was going to be sold, so Brandon wanted a full stadium in 2013 to demonstrate the team's profitability to prospective buyers. He saw a first round QB as the best way to achieve that given how crappy the Bills had been of late. When the "message" is an opinion, the "messenger's" agenda matters, dude. "My dog is a German Short-haired Pointer" is a fact. "German Short-haired Pointers are better than Dachsunds" is an opinion. That I owned a GSP for 15 years and that I do not like ankle-biter dogs just might have a little something to do with my opinion.

He could be. If the Panthers get him an OL and some weapons, he might blossom. Did you forget that Josh Allen didn't look very promising on a really talent-deprived Bills team in 2018? He improved significantly between his rookie and sophomore season, but even in his third season, lots of analysts still doubted him.

I think that a lot of people said something similar to that about Bryce Young. He even started 2024 poorly, but then "the light came on" and he played really well the rest of the season. Certainly down the stretch, he played better than last year's OROY CJ Stroud. Players making a big jump between their rookie and sophomore seasons is very common.

Point 1 -- Coleman didn't seem to be as good when he returned from his injury as he had been before. Point 2 -- In the Divisional game, Coleman drew a PI that set up a Bills TD ... that kind of contribution doesn't show up on the stat line. Point 3 -- KC traded up to get Worthy. Maybe if they had traded up to get a better OT prospect, they might have their three-peat. Even if Suamataia becomes an All Pro in year 3, that doesn't change the past. James Cook is very definitely a blue chipper. Diggs wasn't a FA. The Bills traded their first round pick in 2020 to get him from Minnesota. The Bills signed guard Connor McGovern from Dallas in 2023 and he played very well. In 2024, he moved over to center to replace Mitch Morse -- and he played even better and earned a Pro Bowl berth. You don't always get what you want, dude. Deal with it.

Did you actually check on what Mitchell did as a rookie before you claimed he '"would make much more sense" than Coleman? Adonai MItchell: 17 games, 7 games started, 55 targets, 23 receptions, 312 yards, 0 TDs, 36 long Keon Coleman: 13 games, 12 games starter, 57 targets, 29 receptions, 556 yards, 4 TDs, 64 long Covering your butt, are you? IMO, there MIGHT some posters here who aren't declaring the 2024 draft a definite failure but there sure are numerous ones absolutely tarring and feathering the the Bills FO. I thought that Beane's sin was not investing enough in defensive tackle. Teams have finite resources -- draft picks, cap space, roster spots, etc -- that have to be juggled. FTR, the Bills did make a major investment in WR ... they spent a first round pick in 2020 to acquire Stefon Diggs. They didn't count on him only lasting three years with the team before he went looking for greener pastures. Moreover, if the Bills continually spent their limited draft resources on WRs or DTs or whatever position wanna be GMs on this MB wanted, they would not have been able to build one of the best OLs in the NFL to protect their MVP QB. Josh Allen says "hi". Since you are so down on the Bills, I think you should raid your piggy bank to buy into an NFL team. I understand the Giants are looking for some minority owners -- and with they're such a talent-laden team, all of their Day 1 and Day2 draft picks should be able to start from Day 1, especially if their GM -- and yours -- listens to you.

Exactly right. Monos was part of a failed regime, and McDermott and Beane have exposed how badly they failed. Lookiing at just how they drafted in the first two rounds of their drafts exposes the failures of the Monos/Whaley regime. Monos/Whaley's first and second round picks: 2013: #16 QB EJ Manuel , #41 WR Robert Woods), #46 LB Kiko Alonzo 2014: #4 WR Sammy Watkins, #44 OT Cyrus Kouandijo 2015: #50 DB Ronald Darby 2016: #19 DE Shaq Lawson, #41 LB Reggie Ragland In 2015, Darby was runner up in DROY voting. In 2014, Watkins had 982 yards. In 2015 he had 1047 yards. Playing with Mahomes in 2019, he had 673 yards. 2017 was clearly McDermott's draft. While Monos and Whaley were still officially in their titles, McDermott selected the picks. Whaley was fired immediately after the 2017 draft, and Monos was among the Bills staff who were let go by Beane after he was hired as GM. Sean McDermott's first and second round draft picks: 2017: #27 DB Tre'Davious White, #37 WR Zay Jones, #63 LT Dion Dawkins In 2017, White was 2nd in DROY voting. In 2019, White was first team All Pro and 5th in DPOY voting. In 2020, he was 2nd team All Pro. From 2021 through 2024, Dawkins was been named to the PB 4 times. Beane's first and second round draft picks: 2018 - #7 QB Josh Allen, #16 LB Tremaine Edmunds 2019 - #9 DT Ed Oliver, #38 OG Cody Ford 2020 -#54 DE AJ Epenesa 2021 - #30 DE Gregory Rousseau, #61 LB Boogie Basham 2022 - #23 CB Kaiir Elam, #63 RB James Cook In 2024, after numerous PB and AP awards, Allen was named NFL MVP. In 2019 and 2020, Edmunds was named to the PB. In 2023 and 2024, Cook was named to the PB. He also ran for 1000+ yards in both seasons. He also scored 16 TDs in 2024. Of course, Monos is going to dump on Beane and McDermott. Bean and McDermott exposed the institutional incompentency of their predecessors.

I think the narrative that Beane misses on his high draft picks is a false narrative. About half of all first round draft picks are at best "disappointments" if not outright busts. The #1 overall pick and prospects picked in the Top 10 seldom fail outright, although they might wind up not being nearly as good as some other prospects drafted after them. The later in the draft a player is taken, the more likely he is to fail. Since 2020, the Bills have drafted in bottom third of the first and second rounds where it's much harder to find game changing players on either side of the ball. Beane's first and second round draft picks are: 2018 - #7 QB Josh Allen, #16 LB Tremaine Edmunds 2019 - #9 DT Ed Oliver, #38 OG Cody Ford 2020 -#54 DE AJ Epenesa 2021 - #30 DE Gregory Rousseau, #61 LB Boogie Basham 2022 - #23 CB Kaiir Elam, #63 RB James Cook 2023 - #25 TE Dalton Kincaid, #59 OG O'Cyrus Torrence 2024 - #33 WR Keon Coleman, #60 Cole Bishop Of the 9 prospects Beane drafted in the first 2 rounds who have had at least 3 years in the league, 6 were hits and 3 were busts. That's a 67% success rate, including 3 Pro Bowlers (Allen, Edmunds, and Cook). More importantly, Beane saw the potential in a very raw QB prospect and grabbed him. Beane detractors consider the Allen pick as "luck" and pointedly ignore the fact that Edmunds made the Pro Bowl twice and became a FA after Buffalo declined to pay him a big second contract. They also never mention Cook at all. I didn't include the 4 picks from the 2023 and 2024 drafts because rookies and second year players are still learning, and what you see from them may differ from one season to another, so their future prospects aren't set yet. Numerous rookies who look like stars in their first years crash and burn, and others who don't impress a lot early on turn out to be All Pros and/or HOFers. Kincaid looked really good as a rookie, not so good as a sophomore. Torrence started out well but his play declined some as the season wore on. He played significantly better as a sophomore. Keon Coleman started out decently, was injured for a while, and wasn't so good later in the season. Cole Bishop missed a considerable amount of the preseason IIRC. He didn't play well in his few appearances early in the season, but seemed to be a little better later

I'm not opposed to drafting a DLer if the Bills can't get Garrett, but a DLer taken late in round are much more of a gamble ... and it's likely to take him a couple of seasons to become effective. My point is just that Myles Garrett, who has excelled playing for a dumpster fire team, is not going to be a guy who just takes his pay and goes through the motions as some players who've gotten big days have done. It doesn't seem to be in his DNA. I have no doubt that the Garrett who excelled in Cleveland would excel for the Bills, so the only "gamble" would be that he stays healthy ... but any player can be injured.

Umm ... the Bills draft at #30 in the first round and at #56 and #62. All the premium DLers will be long gone by then, and the Bills will have to gamble on kids who are projects, and most prospects labeled "projects" don't work out. I'd prefer to gamble on Garrett working out.

I think we need to revive the old "beating a dead horse" emogi for threads like this. Guess what, guys, dolls, and whomever else keeps beating this dead horse: the Bills are not moving on from McDermott until/unless the Bills have multiple losing seasons or repeatedly miss the playoffs without some valid excuse such as a serious injury to Allen. If the Bills lost in the WC round multiple times in a row, that might motivate Pegula to seek a new coach, but I can't see him moving on from McDermott otherwise. Why would he? He's a relative newcomer to the NFL owners' club and he's got one of the best teams in the NFL. Better than any of his AFCE rivals. Better than legendary NFL franchises like the Steelers and the Cowboys. He's not moving on from McDermott until he's dissatisfied with McDermott no matter how much some anonymous fans on a message board complain.

Since the Bills are limited by the cap, they can either pursue a game wrecking DLer or an elite WR in FA. They can't get both. I'd prioritize the DE and look for a good WR prospect in the draft and/or re-signing Cooper at a reasonable price. A great DE like Garrett would positively affect the entire DL, and a better pass rush would also help the DBs. Trying to outscore other playoff teams in a run to the Super Bowl requires your offense to execute almost perfectly game after game after game. That's an almost impossible task. A fierce pass rush affects the QB even if it only gets pressure rather than sacks ... incompletes, interceptions, and bad decisions.

1 game is a very small sample size, dude. Pressuring/sacking elite QBs frequently reduces them to ordinary QBs, especially in the playoffs. In this year's playoffs alone, the Bills D got after Lamar alot ... and the Bills won. The Bills D couldn't pressure Mahomes in the AFCCG, and KC won. In the Super Bowl, the Eagles harassed Mahomes while the game was in doubt -- and Mahomes played more like Mitch Trubisky.