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I can see why Darnold would go back, a red shirt Sophomore, hasnt graduated etc. But with all the heartburn Rosen has about being in school and also being a graduate what keeps him there if he is alreadly the number one prospect? The class is coming to Earth fast, like it always seems to do. You and Ive discussed it but I cant get on board with Rosen.

I would agree here, albeit partially. Preston Brown is not the long term answer at MLB. However, Bowman probably needs to be on a 3-4 Defense where he can focus on the run as his days being a help in the passing game are behind him. Not worth trading a pick for as he doesnt help us past the short term either.

From day one I thought a good comparison for Shaq in the NFL would be Brandon Graham. At pick 19 it's a long shot you get a 10 to 15 sack a year guy, but I completely disagree Lawson hasnt been a solid player this year, especially for being a a low 1st round pick. He is trending towards 38 tackles for 6.5 sacks, and if you go by stats alone, which your shouldnt thats the type of year you should expect. I think he is right on track. There should have never been an expectation he was going to come in and be a ten sack a year guy, he isnt that type of player.

Cam is a piece of work but man I wish we had the first pick that year

Second awful play of the night for Worley. Got juked out of his cleats by the agile Legarette Blount earlier

Both your replies were dead on. I am not sure if it's because he is Peyton's brother or because of his slack jawed mouth agap lost look, but Eli is one of the most underappreciated Quarterbacks of all time. This isnt a Tyrod thread, but your point on him is wonderfully put.

On pace for 45 catches 675 yards and 6 touchdowns. Doesnt scream 14 million dollar wideout to me.

He is and continues to be awful, except now he has decided not to use his feet. Completely futile

When did 6.2 yards an attempt, 106 yrds no touchdowns and a pick become good for a quarterback?

Dont see it at all with Thorson. He and Drew Locke come up as darlings in the scouting world so I am obviously missing something on both of them.

Agree to disagree on this one. I think it's close but Fournette was incredibly underrated as a pass catcher, averaged 12 yards a reception to Zeke's 8. Fournette was trending towards, if not on the same level as Peterson after his Sophomore year. I think his Junior year changed a lot of that, but it was clear he had checked out and was on to the NFL.

I would go Peterson and Fournette before Barkley if we are going that far back to someone like Barry Sanders. Barkley is a great prospect, for sure top ten guy but I wouldnt put him over the two I mentioned before until the end of the year.

Thread ended. Couldnt be more dead on.

Unlike the Bills the Rams are doing the right thing and building around a quarterback they picked in the 1st round. Honestly, the Bills should have went for it this year. I have to imagine McBeane gets more than just three years to do this thing, think about it next year will be the first year with a new quarterback of their choosing and they will already be in year two. Does it make any sense to fire them in year three with only two full years with the quarterback they chose? If they get anything less than four years here it will be a mistake.

He doesnt know how to throw wideouts open and he wont risk throwing to someone who is even half way covered to try and let his wideout win. There is no excuse for an NFL quarterback to throw under 150 yards in a game, none. He may not be the only issue, but he is the only player on the team that can impact those problems enough to mask them or illuminate them. They better figure out if they want to try and make the playoffs, fail and win six to seven games or if they want to get a franchise quarterback because while the draft has two or three of them potentially they wont be there at 12 or 15 or whatever pick we end up with trying to win now and win later

Agree with Polian. Watched his first two games this year and while he has improved as a passer, and makes some nice seam passes he doesnt have the ability to make timing passes with a great deal of accuracy.

Not talking about one play. I think his body of work is incredibly hyped because he makes for a good article. Ive watched the games, I am not impressed. He holds the ball a very long time for someone who is flawless in his ability to read defenses and drop "dimes". I think he is a first round guy but I dont think he should enter the conversation for top ten. He has accuracy and leadership issues, not a proven winner, and his arm strength is overblown. I Dont know how he'd be on USC, no clue but I know I dont think he is as good as the hype suggests, and if he wasnt verbose I dont think a lot of others would either.

And still won. And wins 92% of the time. Rosen is currently at 59%, his team maybe terrible but if I am taking someone top ten I want someone who rises above that, not someone who throws pick sixes across his body.

He didnt throw five touchdowns, he threw four and had two picks to go along with them. Just to clear things up was his defense to blame for his 60% completion rate against the steel secondary of the Memphis defense?

Rosen is so polarizing on this board its impossible to get an accurate portrayl of him. Not sure if people are watching the games or basing their opinions off of liking or disliking personally but I am still amazed by all his hype. Not going to argue it anymore because its been beaten to death, but for context sake Texas A and M beat Nicholls by ten points last week, they were also down to UL Layfaette this week before winning. Easily take Darnold, Rudolph, and Mayfield before him. However it seems a lot of Bills fans love him, including our AM morning guy who is very impressed with Rosen's podcast...tell me again how little time you have for school.

Statistically both Soccer and Lacrosse are just as likely to cause concussions. Mens water polo is the most dangerous high school sport to take part in. The difference here is those sports dont fit a narrative or create as many clicks and out rage amongst middle America.

The good news is smart money is on both of us being right. Quarterback success rate in the NFL is something around 19% of those drafted. Agree to disagree and wait to see how it turns out.

I feel like we may have had this exact discussion in another thread. Feel like you're generalizing about Mayfield being a loose cannon from one incident. The Manziel comparison to me is a bit lazy. Not every athletic "short" quarterback from a spread offense is Johnny Manziel. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just feel like this one is wrong. Mayfield makes passes I dont think Manziel could have made. I'd love to see the comparison between Mayfield's and Manziel's average time between snap and throw. I think that would put the comparison to bed quickly. When looking at both Mayfield and Rosen, simply put I think they both have jerk tendecies, but in terms of pure arrogance Mayfield is nowhere near Rosen. If you want to portray Rosen as a well read forward thinking person thats fine, but to me he comes across as a person who has very little clue about real life and comes across as immature and ignorant because of it. I dont get the sense he is a team first leader. But make no mistake about it, he has character issues. Its been well publicized he isnt well liked by his teammates, ala Connor Cook. Also, think its a little early to put Chad Kelly in the same category as Manziel. Statsitically speaking its likely, but it could be for any number of reasons.

Please explain the Manziel comparison outside of playing in a spread offense? Manziel was a dual threat QB. Mayfield is athletic but is so far from being a dual threat, he averages 22 rushing yards a game. His mobility is inside the pocket, does he scramble outside of the tackle box yes, but thats more akin to someone like Tyrod Taylor. Manziel was a sand lot football player. The height thing remains to be seen, but standing next to a 6'2 reporter after last weeks game he wasn't dwarfed. Personally think Rosen's character concerns are much worse than Mayfields'.

Easily my favorite player in college football right now. I dont think he can challenge Darnold as the #1QB in the class, just doesnt have the physical stature. However, I dont think its unfair to say he should be in the conversation for #2 with Mason Rudolph. The Manziel comparisons are probably a bit unfair. Totally different animal. Manziel was extremely talented and may have been an amazing pro if he cared the least bit about football. Manziel also ran a lot, Mayfield doesnt do that nearly as well. Mayfield has also started a lot more games, including games against quality competition. Manziel had Evans to throw it up to, Mayfield doesnt have a player like that. He is a throw first QB and I think he is incredibly underrated because of his height. Not saying it shouldnt be an issue, however Russell Wilson and Drew Brees are examples that it isnt always the rule.