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It's not that I don't know the difference between the throws, I just know when someone is talking up a QB's 'superior arm talent' by highlighting his capability to make all the throws, especially the difficult-to-make, rare, and/or important ones. Never heard of a bad pass that was 'on the money' until now. You would deem Scott Norwood's 'wide right' FGA 'on the money' if he switched places with Josh Allen and he kicked it. Bills' still lose by a point, but hey, the kick was on the money.

You've split one thing, "can make all the throws", into many parts for the sake of creating multiple points...it's very clear. As clear as your bias against Peterman and favor of Allen. How the heck can a pass be deemed "on the money" if out of bounds? Getting kind of ridiculous.

1,2, and 3...can make all the throws. 5,7, and 8...he's athletic. 9...what's the criteria of a QB that doesn't know down and distance?

Glad you got your swagger back...far cry from your tone just a week ago. Allen's physical gifts are a reality and were never in question; Allen had a great game and showed great potential, but I won't get lost in any illusions. Your best bet in having Allen declared starting QB right now, as many of these media figures have suddenly began prescribing, is that McDermott and/or Daboll get lost in the buzz from last night and deviate from their level-headed, uninfluenced by media, patient approach on bringing Allen along. Two games to go. Here's another take on the reality of last night's game: The Bills' Allen and Peterman played well in the preseason win over Cleveland AJ McCarron got hurt and could be out of the quarterback competition (WGR 550) - When it comes to the Bills quarterbacks, Josh Allen and Nathan Peterman showed very well in Buffalo’s preseason victory over Cleveland. AJ McCarron led the first four Buffalo drives of the night and went three-and-out in all four of them. The Buffalo News is reporting that McCarron suffered a hairline fracture of his right collarbone. All Sean McDermott would say it his quarterback hurt his right shoulder. During his four drives, McCarron was hit a lot and completed just 3-of-6 passes for 12 yards. It seemed to me like when he did have time to throw the ball, he didn’t want to because he was afraid of a mistake. That was evident on a 3rd down, where he had both Zay Jones and Jeremy Kerley open coming across the field for a first down, but he just looked at them and decided to run. He was afraid he might get intercepted. Allen was certainly up to the challenge of playing with the first-team offense. They were all out there except for LeSean McCoy and Charles Clay. By this time in the second quarter, Cleveland had taken its first-team defense off the field, but I don’t think it matters. Allen led three drives and scored on all three of them. The first was an extremely impressive 15-play, 80-yard drive that ate up 11:05 off the clock. I just think that needs to be emphasized, Allen put together a drive that took up most of the second quarter! One of the things I’ve liked about Allen in the preseason is he doesn’t get flustered. On his second play, the play didn’t get communicated to him fast enough, but he kept his wits and called a timeout. In the whole 15-play drive, the Bills only had to convert two 3rd downs and one was a gift when the Browns Gerald Avery got called for illegal use of hands. Allen converted a 3rd-and-2 from the Bills 28 hitting Andre Holmes for seven. The Bills mixed in a short passing game which saw Allen complete passes to tight end Khari Lee three times. Marcus Murphy helped the cause with four carries for 39 yards. Chris Ivory ran the ball twice for six yards. The touchdown came from the two-yard line and Allen couldn’t have played it any better. The QB sidestepped the rush and stepped up in the pocket. By this time, Rod Streater was coming across the back of the end zone and Allen found him for the score. Before half time, Murphy returned a punt 39-yards to the Browns 41. The runningback had broken into the clear, but got tripped up by the last possible Brown. Allen did some scrambling in this drive and quite honestly, showed some elusiveness. He got the ball to the 15 with seven seconds left in the half. McDermott didn’t want to chance one more play and kicked a field goal. It’s preseason, I don’t understand why the head coach goes conservative there. Yes, Buffalo is out of timeouts, but wouldn’t it help the kid’s development to run a quick play to the end zone. If time happens to run out, who cares? Its preseason and he would have some valuable experience. Allen got the first drive of the second half and had good field position at the Buffalo 44. Two runs and three passes got the ball into Browns territory which set up a 53-yard Stephen Hauschka field goal. Allen ended 9-of-13 for 60 yards and a score. Probably the biggest mistake I thought he made was right before the half when he scrambled for six yards and a first down. He cut the play up field instead of heading for the sideline. He had to spike the ball and the Bills lost valuable seconds and probably one more crack at the end zone. In two games I’ve just really liked the poise of this rookie. He seems OK with staying within himself which was evident on the 11 minute drive. As I do every week it needs to be pointed out that neither team game planned for this game and preseason can fool you. Peterman did a very nice job of bringing the Bills back after they fell behind. Peterman missed his first two passes and then completed 8-of-8 for 113 yards and a 35-yard touchdown to Nick O’Leary. That drive went 75-yards after the Browns had taken a four point lead. Early in the drive, Peterman had hooked up with O’Leary for a 29-yard gain. I have been reading a lot about O’Leary this week that he’s falling behind Clay, Lee and Jason Croom on the depth chart. The one thing I’ll say about O’Leary is he’s a gamer. It just seems like when a play needs to be made, the Bills quarterbacks look for him. If the report on McCarron is correct, he will miss some time. Both Peterman and Allen have played well in the two preseason games. Allen has seemed OK with everything that has been thrown at him, but the one thing that hasn’t been thrown at him is a game plan. It’ll be fun to see how this progresses.

Note how there are no complaints being made about the talent level Peterman was placed in the game with, as last man in. No arguments about the third-team O-line or WR group being the cause of Peterman not being able to operate at optimum level, as was the case for Josh Allen in his first game.

Thanks Kelly the Dog.

I might dispute this, and as for those "ten qualities"?

Not here to throw dirt on Allen because he played great, this has more to do with your credibility. I remember you stating in the last game vs. Carolina, how Allen had shown "ten different" qualities of a starting QB, or something to that effect. Could you name what those were? I also recall you stating that he "showed touch", I never saw it on display, not even once in that game. Which receiver was the beneficiary of that "touch" throw? You suggested that McCarron connected on downfield throws while Peterman did not. I had McCarron as 0 of 2 on his deep attempts. Who was the beneficiary of McCarron's downfield completions? Just curious.

I had no idea what McCarron brought to the table, but I was hopeful. Peterman looks like the fourth-year player out there. He has total control of the offense at the line and he takes what the defense gives him, without being too conservative. Really seems ahead of his time.

Was pretty bad. "Travis Cadet"...uhh, who? "That was Micah Hyde". Noooo, I'm pretty sure that was Kelcie McCray with the personal foul in the second half.

Seems like it. But what is laughable are the outsiders who don't follow the Bills closely, talking up the McCarron injury, as if he was way out in the lead to start for the Bills. Such a grave situation the Bills' find themselves in. Lol Get well McCarron.

Beautiful game. Good job, both quarterbacks.

Yeah...welp. 'Overall stance", as in overall stance on Peterman being named starter for week one...that isn't changing.

Applying the phrase 'better equipped' to Peterman, when speaking on preseason football games vs. regular season games football doesn't change what you are suggesting. You're suggesting that Peterman has an 'obvious' advantage over Allen, being that he's a second-year player; few, if any of Allen's backers calling for him to be week one starter, have expressed any such sentiment of Peterman being 'better equipped' than Allen in any capacity, regardless of playing experience. So the 'obviously a rookie will have a harder time...than a second year guy' argument won't hold weight with me should Allen fail perform up to expectations, but Peterman excel. I just don't want the multitude of excuses...that's all.

I believe everything that's gone on during minicamp and training camp will be kept in mind, but the decision will rest heavily on how each performs in preseason. Why do you place emphasis on 'this year'?

Except people want Allen to start the regular season over that 'better equipped', second-year player without having seen him compete against a 1st team defense. Peterman having a better outing, being a second-year player isn't the obvious, foregone conclusion shared by the majority, that you make it seem, if it were, I doubt so many would be calling for Allen to open the season as the starter...that's my point. Also, I'm assuming that Allen gets work with the second-team offense, considering that's who he got the most reps in with during practices, and it's who McCarron started the game with after replacing Peterman vs. the Panthers'. So it wouldn't be Peterman's third-team performance vs. Allen's third-team performance, that would decide anything for the coaches---as that would be ridiculous---it's Allen's play with the second-team alone, that will likely weigh heavily on the coaches' decision to elevate him or demote him on the depth chart. I think the Browns' defense will serve as a good test for the QBs.

Agreed. It could have easily picked by the actual defender guarding the receiver and it was his worst pass, because it came on the very first play. As I see it, Peterman's biggest issue with some of the more difficult completions that rely on timing, is that he can get casual at times throwing the football. Peterman is an honest guy who is constantly looking to get better, so I would imagine this pass, along with the pick was scrutinized by both Daboll and Peterman together. I felt encouraged reading that the practice following that game, was heavy on completing the short pass; makes me think Daboll and the coaches wanted to work specifically on cleaning up the throwing mechanics on shorter routes, so picks like the one to Ivory at the tail end of a quarter, isn't a recurring thing. Peterman acknowledged during his mid-game interview that he could've done things better---there were only two errors---so I'm hopeful that what he took away from that game, is that he must keep his mind in the game at all times, his foot on the gas, and not become complacent when throwing the ball. On to game two.

I've read very little from those who feel Allen should be given the starting job, where they're acknowledging a marked difference between Peterman as a second-year player, versus Josh Allen as a rookie, for most of the discussion. So no, it's not that obvious. Guys wanted Allen to be elevated up the depth chart so that he wouldn't be bogged down with the 'inferior' talent that surrounded him, now that wish may be granted. And by 'no excuses', I largely mean as to why Peterman had the better game, if the end results should end up favoring him.

Peterman never went 9 for 9 in preseason last year, he was 9 of 11 for 81 yds. versus Detroit. He went 11 of 23, 10 of 20, 13 of 25, and 9 of 11 in his four games of rookie preseason action. He showed potential as a rookie, he's showing progress now. Going 6 for 6 and 9 for 9 in practice is indicative of a second-year player that has grown from his rookie year, and could easily serve as evidence that there's a much clearer understanding of the offense and of what the defense is trying to do on field. Peterman going 9 of 11 against what were likely the Lions' second or third team defenders in his rookie year, is a far cry from finishing 9 of 10 versus a first team defense---albeit a "vanilla defense"---headed by the likes of Kawann Short, Dontari Poe, and Mario Addison serving as his opposition.

I just wanna say, there's been a lot of kicking and screaming for Josh Allen to get work in, elevated on the depth chart, if he struggles as second man in behind McCarron, don't be mad. No excuses if Peterman excels as third man in.

That's him.

Jalen Ramsay markets himself as a cocky villain, is a known trash-talker, who didn't throw his QB under the bus. Kelvin Bejamin isn't a known trash-talker who threw shade at a longtime, former teammate from his new team, blaming him for his past shortcomings as a player, by highlighting a deficiency in him, possibly out of his control to fix. It was just tasteless on many levels. Ramsay is the arguably the league's best CB, he's better at what he does than many QB's are at what they do. His opinion has value because of his rank, his perspective on each QB was unfiltered and non-conforming, which made the article compelling. I for one, expected to stop at his take on Josh Allen, but I couldn't stop there, I had to go down the list to see what he had to say about the other QB's.

Uhhh, let's not poke too much fun at Warren Sapp. After all, Manuel led successful drives with near perfection percentage-wise. Focus here should be drawn on this guy: Finally, the Bills have their QB in @EJManuel3. — Adam Schein (@AdamSchein) August 12, 2013 That's the guy declaring Josh Allen the "next Carson Wentz".

A modern-day Bo Jackson. Cole know freestyle?

One site shows he was two lbs. shy of 280 lbs. at some point while in school, I just read an interview that was published January this year and he states that he's 270 lbs. Looking at his build in the picture I would've guessed his natural position was always LB. Compares himself to Michael Bennett...that would definitely be welcomed.