Bills Pimpin'

It's truly amazing how a thread about the fate of a released backup RB (who has yet to be picked up) has transgressed into a few people who would have traded Shady (1623 yards from scrimmage in 2016) instead of Watkins (430 yards from scrimmage in 2016). At least it took 46 pages to get there... Try to find a quote inside of 3 months brah. There have been many practices and a few PS games since those. Old news.

Unless he is somehow helping NP and TT, Yates will be released when Webb is ready. They will get that 3rd round comp pick before it's all said and done.

1.The administration hasn't dumped any talent for bargain basement prices. In fact they have received equivilant talent based on past performance and received high draft picks as well. 2. There is no Chip Kelley-ism. Chip Kelley replaced a Philly hall of famer, traded a Philly hall of famer and treated players like they were college kids. McD replaced a complete buffoon who ran an undisciplined ship and destroyed an already poor culture to another level. Many of the players who were brought up in that NFL culture have been let go. 3. There is no double talk by the GM or HC. In fact, I find the consistent message refreshing. One of discipline and Team. Your assessment of the direction of the team in 2017 is dead wrong IMO. You are spewing a narrative that is simply untrue.

This is a thread about the age of the roster. Watkins was replaced with virtually a same age player in Matthews the same day so really that trade is not part of the conversation of roster age. If you want to argue the talent of Sammy, that is for another thread although injecting the the phrase "if healthy" into every one of your Sammy arguments makes it weak when talking about his talent. Talent is not worth a penny if not on the field.. Gilmore on the other hand is a terrible argument as far as talent is concerned as the 14 million will weigh on NE for years cause he is not a shutdown corner.

Gilmore and Darby are man to man Dbacks that got burned consistently last year. Neither are able to be put on the opposing best Wideout and lock them down. Also, neither were great at playing zone because nether could understand the system and IMO it was straight intelligence. They weren't smart enough. I disagree with the WR position as well although I can see your argument. Regardless it has to be considered close. Personally I think out LB core is as good, mainly because we only need 3. The bottom line is it is very close and we have a bunch of draft picks. Its a great job by the FO IMO and if somehow Peterman is great then it is a home run.

You can say that but give me the details to support that argument cause I don't see it. Where is the talent inferior to last year other than Sammy, who in all honesty played 1/3 of the season.

The Bills are a better team today than they were the end of last year and they are loaded in the draft in 2018. I can't think of one reason to be pissed off unless you loved Rex and Whaley and the you think they deserved one more year with their shite. Give me a starting position that you liked better last year. I can't think of one other than Sammy. Gilmore and Darby got scorched every other game so don't bring that nonsense.

Not sure why you say this. Cap hit is only one factor in trading or signing any player. Which trade or non signing has been based solely on cap hit? If the players talents are worth the cap hit in their eyes they will keep them/sign him/extend them. Not sure where you are getting this false narrative.

Simple. They weren't good enough.

McD has said consistently that Tyrod is the starting quarterback at the moment and he is. But it does not feel like he's made his final decision and im not sold that he has. It seems like as the preseason went on he made more and more moves to look towards the future with some trades and personnel decisions. I think this is the case because after working with Tyrod for a few weeks in camp he realized the guy can't win enough games to make the playoffs. At the same time it seems like Peterman has impressed him more and more, almost to the point where they may be seen as equals. Well if this is the case, what is the reason to start Tyrod? The only thing I can think of is if he is worried about losing the trust of the veterans of the club like Wood, McCoy and Williams. I don`t think he can afford losing their support and losing the locker room. He seems like the type of guy who would get the input from the leaders before making a change like that and if they buy in that Peterman gives them an equal chance to win I think he will start. That seems reasonable to me but then again I really want the kid to start so maybe I`m just grasping at straws.....

Hopkins doesn't deserve that and certainly Watkins doesn't. Julio Jones, Odell Beckham, Antonio Brown I can almost see it. I put Hopkins somewhere below them and Watkins one below that until he can prove he can stay healthy and I would think it should be more than 1 year. Maybe this year, tag him and if he is a stud 2 years in a row, the Rams could pay him. But not 16mil. That seems crazy to me for that position. Of course at this rate the tag is gonna be 16 million. Or is it already?

He's got big hands.

I wouldn't have a problem if Dareus was in any of these situations, but I know it will never happen because he doesn't seem to care enough about winning to get that excited about it. Now if McD and the leaders of this team get someone like Marcell Dareus to care that much and play as hard and be as competitive as those 3 Quarterbacks (all leaders of their perspective teams) then we might have something here.

You have said many ridiculous things in this forum for the short period of time I have been here, but putting Marcell Dareus in the same sentence as LT, arguably the best defensive player in the history of the NFL, is the dumbest. Lawrence Taylor was a leader of that defense. He held other players on that defense accountable for their actions. He played hard every down. He played hard in practice. He was the anti Darius. You think Bill Parcells would let Dareus act like he does and play on his team? No effing way. In fact, Dareus wouldn't have the nuts to act in his pathetic manner on Bill Parcells team. Damn, you must have been a huge Rex/Whaley fan. Let them do whatever they want, don't do sh1t about it, and go 7-9.

Your "young talented players" consist of 4 people: a receiver who couldn't stay on the field cause of injury, a CB who got benched less than a year ago for bad play, a 4th string QB project and a 3rd string 43 LB coming off an ACL. They got draft picks for each of them and 4 players through trade FA or draft: Matthews, Gaines, Peterman and Humbar who are arguably better than the kids traded. Is this some kind of joke? Are you serious with this post?

Well that should just about take care of this thread. Well said oldman.

A starting corner, a potential #1 receiver, what looks like at the minimum an excellent backup QB, and an extra 1st round pick in 2018. Your memory sucks and you are too hard to please. Maybe you like 2 firsts for Sammy Watkins. Maybe you are that guy.

If the next few drafts are as good as this 2016 looks I'd say the odds are pretty good.

I would hardly consider 5 months an "era". And "all players traded" equates to exactly 4 (one of them being the 4th QB on the depth chart).

Well I do understand how poorly the franchise has been run fro the past 2 decades, but I think Pegula was in a no win situation end of last year and he had to hit the reset button. Rex Ryan was a complete trainwreck and Whaley couldn't put together a complete sentence without contradicting himself or embarrassing the team. I think we can all agree now he should have done it the moment Marrone quit but unfortunately Russ and Whaley convinced him otherwise and there goes 2 years down the toilet. There is no question in my mind the Pegulas were over their head and after that debacle he decided to go young and disciplined with McDermott and Beane and give them free reign. I can't imagine he doesn't give him 5 years. We have to hope McD is the real deal and his philosophy pays off. Trading Ragland is just another part of "the process" we are being asked to trust and we have no choice. This regime may be a snake oil salesmen as well and we might start over again after 22 years of no playoffs, but to me it feels better than Ryan, Marrone, Gailey or Jauron. Besides all that I don't think Ragland is a very good football player for the 2017 game.

Yep. About one game better and about $50,000,000 more expensive and still not playoff caliber.

Ragland a "core strength" is a funny sentence. After Rex traded up to get a guy who fell about 15-20 spots because of questions whether he could play in today's NFL. The dude wasn't good enough and he had an injury that 50% of players don't ever recover from. Drafting the guy was a mistake. Sammy was a mistake. They traded him. Marcell is another mistake. They will trade/cut him as soon as they are financially able. Reggie Ragland a core strength... That's a good one.

I don't understand your point of view. McD and Beane are getting a mid round pick for a player they don't think will help the team regardless of where he was picked or his injury history. Why would they care where he was picked. It makes no difference. Maybe you are frustrated in the past 17 years but those past years have no impact on the moves made today.

They have gotten a draft pick and a comparable player for a couple of other classic draft day blunders by Whaley, it would be nice to get rid of one more for a similar deal.

If the team goes 10-6 or better, makes the playoffs, Nate plays like Dak last year (franchise QB), Alex Smith gets hurt and the Chiefs go 3-13 (they already lost Ware for the year), Beane gets 3 probowlers out of the 6 picks in 2018 and Buffalo wins 3 Superbowls in the next 10 years. Meanwhile the Pegulas build a state of the art domed stadium by the lake and Buffalo/Toronto gets the 2027 Superbowl which the Bills win. 😋😋😂😂