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Auto response soon after I quote him (it) too. Hell of a world we are living in...

Is this guy a bot? It makes Trump sound coherent.

Fair enough. We are on the same page far more than we aren't. Anyone who supports unions is good in my book. My only point was that even situations like this highlight how those at the top will squeeze the absolute most out those that support them, and especially in the absence of collective bargaining. Go Bills! You have a good one Don.

It's not about comparing Levi to you. It's about comparing Levi to the billionaire owners. The fact that undrafteds can get paid so poorly even if they are outplaying first round picks is a boon for the owners, not a boon for those undrafted guys making $700k/year. In terms of what his labor is worth, he's getting underpaid and is left with little recourse. I think the players' union should definitely bring this up during the new CBA discussions. Because you know where those pay increases would have came from? The billionaire owners' pockets. Stop sticking up for billionaires, people!

Good call. I somehow forgot how top QB prospects can cause teams to salivate.

The trade for Tua seems a little off. #26 and #142 to move up 2 spots? I'm not sure Higgins will fall to 22 either, especially if he has a good combine. But a good read nonetheless. Thank you Gunner.

Oh and I'm still curious what you think about lehnard's response to me @Deranged Rhino. Just some quick commentary is all I'm looking for. I liked his response a lot and maybe we can find some common ground in that. Unless you disagree with his assessment of course. Anyway that's enough back and forth for me for a bit. It's always a pleasure. I am admittedly holding your feet to the fire a bit today, but it's nothing personal. Cheers! I don't put that much thought or effort into trolling. Have a good one.

Okay then... let's try a yes or no format. "There were Nazi war criminals, especially at the lower levels, who were not part of Paperclip or some kind of exemption, not killed by the Russians, not hunted down by the Israelis after the war, and not part of any trial or military tribunal, who died peacefully in their own beds and escaped any kind of justice or retribution. In other words, there were war criminals that committed war crimes that were not accounted for in any way." Yes or no? No. I'm saying be careful about going down the road, not that we shouldn't go down it. You answered them truthfully, but not adequately or with very much specificity. There was a line drawn because not every individual that committed a crime met some form of non-spiritual justice. Justice was not all encompassing. There were privates who were convicted of war crimes. Not every private that committed a war crime faced justice or punishment for a host of reasons, including the fact that such an undertaking would literally be impossible. And if you don't draw the line there, then what about the civilian construction workers who built the death camps, or manufactured the Zyklon B, or the whole host of other secondary and tertiary participants in the Nazi's war crimes? There's always a line to be drawn somewhere, and it's dishonest of you to say otherwise. There's nothing dishonest on my end about that. There's only your lack of admission of ignorance. I laid out verifiable numbers in detail, and if you think that only 209 people took part in the Nazi's war crimes at all levels, I have a bridge to sell you. Haha, finally some backtracking from when you said this: So first I'm the one who said everyone would be tried for treason (even though I never did), but now it's just that I said the word treason. Isn't that cute. No Rhino. Dispensing this kind of justice IS complicated. This ISN'T as simple as you want it to be or think it is. Applying "simple" to the draining of the swamp is how you create the awful kind of purge that (I believe) we both want to avoid. This must be handled delicately with the kinds of checks and balances and oversight that this country is worthy of. Not "simply". That's disturbing how quickly you reduce it as such.

Not being able to admit you were wrong isn't very admirable. Still waiting for that intermediate example that is above and beyond the level of justice exacted on Nazi Germany after WWII. No. Absolutely not DR. I didn't think you have a "real" meaning or that you have an ulterior motive of some kind (your last comment in this post confirms that, thankfully). I just think you're oblivious to the extent that what you are suggesting can be abused, where good reasons meet bad actions. Of course I don't think anyone is above the law. And to hell with anyone who does! I'm trying to gauge your position based on what you're saying. You are free to correct me at any time or take back something you said earlier that wasn't properly worded or written. I gave you plenty of opportunities to clarify your position on treason and to what extent the punishment exacted upon the Deep State (who is committing treason) should apply. You've already answered with comments like, My reference was to the fact that it wasn't just the big wigs and leaders who were tried. They were tried first, but then after them we had trials for the judges, the guards, lawyers and cops who were "just following orders". Some were found innocent, some found guilty, but all faced judgement (but for the ones the US and Soviets kept hidden -- but that's a different topic). But please clarify what you meant at your leisure. Oh, did I say that? When? Was it when I asked you a second time to provide an example that exacts harsher justice than that which was measured out against Nazi Germany after WWII? Because that was meant as an opportunity for you say the following (which should NOT have taken this long to get out of you): And again, where do you draw that line? What people at what levels should get what charges and what punishments? Did you read @leh-nerd skin-erd's answer? Is your version of justice something comparable to that? More harsh? Less harsh?

I'll take this as your admission of being wrong about the facts of how justice was measured against Nazi Germany after WWII. You can't know everything DR. After all, the only thing we both know is that you know nothing at all, amirite? Oh by all means, the floor is yours on this one. Since you have admitted that you want justice measured out against the Deep State above and beyond that which was exacted against Nazi Germany in WWII, but refuse to acknowledge the similarity in scope to something like the Reign of Terror or the Great Purge, then please by all means provide an intermediate example that doesn't go too far. I don't want to put words in your mouth. I think this is where your confusion lies. On the surface, what you are advocating certainly looks like justice. And who doesn't like justice, right? But don't you think Maximilian Robespierre and his supporters thought they were dispensing justice when they were going down their list of criminals against the state? And I'm sure Stalin felt like he was completely justified when he was exacting his punishments on the undesirables of his governments' institutions. You are talking about retribution with no bounds (unless you'd like to provide an intermediate example with bounds, like I requested above) on charges that carry the penalty of death. Be careful about the road you want to go down. Thank you. This is so much more measured and fair than what I'm afraid Rhino is trying to say. I hope he proves me wrong though.

For the second time, your parenthetical doesn't account for every single person involved in war crimes in Nazi Germany. There were criminals not part of Paperclip, not killed by the Russians, not hunted down by the Israelis after the war, and not part of any trial or military tribunal, who died peacefully in their own beds... because at some point, a line was drawn by the Western Allies when it came to measuring out justice. The reason you should take pause about what you are saying is because you are suggesting that we cross that line and take the purge of the Deep State to the level of the Reign of Terror in France or the Great Purge in the USSR. Remember what I asked about treason and treasonous government organizations? Remember how you said that the run-of-the-mill people working for organizations infected by the Deep State, who were just doing their jobs, ought to meet that same level of justice as the leadership of the Deep State? Tell me Rhino, what is the ultimate punishment for treason?

I'm sorry my dude, I know about Paperclip but there's absolutely no intelligence or scientific reason to keep 7,000+ SS personnel who contributed to the mass murder of millions from meeting legal justice. And that's just one small example. There were tens of thousands of personnel directly complicit in the Final Solution and who knows how many more were indirectly complicit. The fact that you think every single perpetrator ("all" in your words) either met some form of legal justice or were absolved of it is absurd and false. Patently false. The whole point of me asking that was to see how far down this road some of you want to go. You want to take the purging of the Deep State in our government above and beyond the level of justice that was exacted upon Nazi Germany after WWII by your own admission.

The US and the Soviets kept over 7,000 SS personnel from Auschwitz "hidden"?

This doesn't really answer the first part of my question. This is all very vague and general. Could you be a little more specific?

So, this factually incorrect. Continuing from the Auschwitz example, overall, only 789 individuals of the approximately 8,200 surviving SS personnel who served at Auschwitz and its sub-camps were ever tried, of whom 750 received sentences. http://auschwitz.org/en/museum/news/personal-details-of-ss-men-from-kl-auschwitz-garrison-accessible-to-the-public,1239.html And further, the Nuremburg trials (the famous first one under the international tribunal and the subsequent 12 others under military tribunal) only consisted of charges being brought against a total of 209 defendants. The Nuremberg process initiated 3,887 cases of which about 3,400 were dropped. 489 cases went to trial, involving 1,672 defendants. 1,416 of them were found guilty; less than 200 were executed, and another 279 defendants were sent to life in prison. By the 1950s almost all of them had been released. But thank you for answering that part of the question at least. It helps me understand you better.

I wrote that to be similar to "I was just following orders" on purpose. But I'm not 100% clear on your answer to that part of my question. In Nuremberg, the defense "I was just following orders/doing my job" wasn't a legitimate defense. At the same time, not every single war criminal who participated in actual war crimes was present at Nuremberg. A guard at Auschwitz might have been on the same rung in the hierarchy as the "basic intel analyst" from my example above. None of the run-of-the-mill guards guilty of war crimes at Auschwitz were present at Nuremberg, yet they each played a part in these crimes against humanity. Only key members of leadership were charged with crimes during these trials. So are you just referring to the notion of illegitimate defense? Or are you also saying that a basic intel analyst from the organization guilty of treason ought to be held to account in the same way that organization's leadership would be held to account as they were at the Nuremberg trials? That's what I was looking for when I asked "where would you draw the line?"

I'm really not trying to play that kind of "put words in your mouth" game with the question. Honestly. As wide as you like, with punishments that you see fit. It's your dough to play with. I wasn't really referring to "well-intentioned" people in any event and intention is subjective by nature so I have no idea what you actually meant. If I had to guess I would assume you referred to people who followed their conscience or moral/inner compass.

Where would you draw the line (or like the line to be drawn) with respect to treason specifically? What kind of acts amount to treason? If entire organizations are to blame for treason, at what point in their hierarchy do the punishments in this purge stop falling downhill? Is "I was just doing my job" going to be a good enough defense for a basic intel analyst, for example?

So if there was a wide scale purge of the government led by Trump, you'd be all for that right?

You don't find that tweet... oh idk... disturbing in any way?

Maybe a case could be made that it was a stronger offensive line era. The spread wasn't the standard in college at that point and it was almost unheard of to draft a lineman that had never been in a 3 point stance in their college career. That's becoming commonplace today and IMO the NFL's OL quality has somewhat suffered as a result. This was also around the time that the Giants and Redskins set the standard with 300+ lb linemen across the board that you see today.

This is why we can’t have nice things.

He pushed off and left the defender with no chance to make a play as a consequence. That’s definitely OPI.

Yeah that one really hit home for me.

Kelce just blocked while facing his own end zone. Sigh