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But now you're changing your words. You didn't say systemic racial discrimination. You said: Tell me, since you seem to believe that racial discrimination ended in the 20th century: do you know when blacks were no longer attacked simply for being black during the 20th century? Because being attacked based on the color of ones skin is a form of racial discrimination. As you can see from the above Tweet, blacks are still being attacked just for being black.

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Thank you for another good contribution. Very solid post.

No because it's not that absolute or black-and-white (for lack of a better term). Life has a lot of grey area and this is just another example. Personally I was supportive of Bernie's platform because his approach was to make the economy work better for everyone, but especially poor people of all colors. His biggest problem during the primary was that he didn't pander enough to the race ticket in the Democratic party. I despise an unfair economic system just as much as systemic racism, and it is absolutely true that whites suffer from the unfair economic system we have where the elites get there way while the rest of us lift them up. But those two things (systemic racism and a rigged economy) can and do co-exist. You cannot just lift black people out of poverty because of systemic racism while completely ignoring whites in poverty. That's ***** up and wrong. Flat out. It needs to be a comprehensive approach, which means including the discussion of systemic racism with the discussion of our rigged economy.

And what about the equity that was built up in those houses over those 15 years and beyond? How much of an advantage did redlining give whites for generations? Time value of money. Having money in the first place makes getting more money even easier.

If the system was absolutely fair and equal to every participant, you'd be right. But I'd also wager that these issues would be much less prevalent in certain minority communities if the system was truly fair and equal to every participant. Black, brown, white, green, purple. We are all the same creatures of Mother Nature. We all have the same God-(I use that term loosely)-given ability to make something of ourselves and be the best individuals that we can be. I cannot begin to fathom how individual responsibility, fatherless homes, addiction, and looking for a handout are somehow intrinsically linked to not having the average wealth that whites have in lieu of some kind of systemic issues (primarily in the economy). Just think about it in terms of math. Like you said there are more white people overall, and more white poor people. But even with that much weight pulling down the average white wealth, whites STILL have 10x the amount of wealth that blacks have. That's beyond individual circumstance Joe.

Riddle me this. If it's not the fault of systemic racism, what is the cause? If I had to guess, you'd probably say it's the boogeyman that is "the left" that intentionally keeps them locked in poverty to maintain a voting bloc. Am I right?

No, they cannot.

It was a technical difficulty. I kept copying the link on my phone but it wouldn't paste. Easy there.

Some context for you gentlemen. https://www.wmbfnews.com/2020/06/02/myrtle-beach-homeowner-appliance-technician-share-eye-opening-discussion-about-racism/

The fact that I don’t get pulled over multiple times a year simply because of the color of my skin has nothing to do with my unique life circumstances. I completely agree with what you said in regards to the overall arc of progress. But that isn’t what Rob said. Look at his sentence. He’s not saying we were in the process of emerging. He said we emerged. For someone as careful with words as he is, that is very telling to me. That’s why I’d like a clarification.

I’ll give you another shot since my question wasn’t worded up to your standards. Do you really believe that we (who is we?) emerged from the racial discrimination of the 20th century? If so, at what point in time?

So minority leaders are bad for minorities. What an amazing take. Now it’s racist to point out the systemic racism of white privilege? It’s no different than pointing out the systemic racism that brown people have to endure other than where each group lies on the axis of power. It’s impossible to talk about racism without also talking about race itself.

WHAT?! You think at some point we emerged from the racial discrimination of the 20th century? You've got to be white to have your head that far in the sand. Lol. The point of the meeting in Seattle was for the white employees of the city to check and be aware of their white privilege, not reprimand them for some biological, unavoidable phenotype that white people have (aka "how they were born"). They are not saying that white people are inferior. But unfortunately when you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression. No wonder so many in this nation are so utterly ignorant when the talking heads spew nonsense like this segment.

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I mean Jackson is most certainly an idiot.

Others were already talking about it when I started replying. It’s an Internet forum not a court filing.

Well then. Good morning fellow Bills fan.

Lol. You had no problem responding to the conversation on the previous page. Funny that. How incredibly consistent of you.

So you think the purpose of what he said is to inform people about the general existence of slavery? Oh boy...

A letter to five of the presidents who owned slaves while they were in office. George Washington, when you won the revolution, how many of your soldiers did you send from a battlefield to the cotton field? How many had to trade in their rifles for plows? Can you blame the slaves who ran away to fight for the British, because at least the Redcoats were honest about their oppression? Thomas Jefferson, when you told Sally Hemings that you would free her children if she remained your mistress, did you think there was honor in your ultimatum? Did you think we wouldn't be able to recognize the assault in your signature? Does raping your slave, when you disguise it as bribery, make it less of a crime? When you wrote the Declaration of Independence, did you ever intend for black people to have freedom over their bodies, James Madison? When you wrote to Congress that black people should count as three-fifths of a person, how long did you have to look at your slaves to figure out the math? Was it easy to chop them up? Did you think they would be happy being more than just half-human? James Monroe, when you proposed sending slaves back to Africa, did black bodies feel like rented tools? When you branded them, did the scar on their chest include an expiration date? When you named the country Liberia, were you trying to be ironic? Does this really count as liberation? Andrew Jackson, was the Trail of Tears not enough for you? Was killing Cherokee, Choctaw, Creek, Seminoles not enough to quench your imperialism? How many brown bodies do you have to bulldoze before you can call it progress, Mr. Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Jackson? When you put your hand on the Bible and swore to protect this country, let's be honest in who you were talking about. When the first Independence Day fireworks set the sky aflame, don't forget where we were watching from. So, when you remember Jefferson's genius, don't forget the slaves who built the bookshelves in his library. When you remember Jackson's victories in war, don't forget what he was fighting to preserve. When you sing that this country was founded on freedom, don't forget the duet of shackles dragging against the ground my entire life. I have been taught how perfect this country was, but no one ever told me about the pages torn out of my textbooks, how black and brown bodies have been bludgeoned for three centuries and find no place in the curriculum. Oppression doesn't disappear just because you decided not to teach us that chapter. If you only hear one side of the story, at some point, you have to question who the writer is. I'm a third-year graduate student at Harvard University. And I study broadly the history of racial inequality in the United States. I taught high school English for several years in Prince George's County, Maryland. And part of what I always think about is how important it is to complicate history. The presidents and the founding fathers and all of the people we sort of raise up as false idols, we don't wrestle with the fact that many of these were brilliant men, but they were also men with deep prejudices against people of color, against indigenous people, against women. The Jefferson I learned about was the intellectual founding father of this country, responsible for the conception of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. And we never talked about the fact that he owned slaves. Only after we understand where we have come from can we understand how we need to move forward. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/shouldnt-forget-u-s-presidents-owned-slaves

So, if the Bills name was to be changed for this reason would you view that as consistent or cherry picking?

I think some time away from the board will do him some good.

Gross.