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take a look at my pff breakdown above. Red Flags Tell me he does NOT have elite hands. Drop Rate is a big one... Grade vs man is the other. A WR with good hands for me A. has to be great at catching the rock B. Be good and physical at breaking away from defenders, the first 5 yards. Low rating Vs man, Drop Rate, and having a fantastic QB to boot tells me his hands are not as good as scouts say they are.

Lets break that down and see. Josh Downs NC 5'9 171 LBS Speed 4.48 Receiving grade 86.5 Drop Rate 3.1% Grade vs man 92.1 Ranked 8th in slot catches Ranked 12th in Slot Yards Contested catches 13 27th **** 5' freaking 9 inches and he is ranked 27th in contested catches? I had to go double check this number to believe it. wow. Zay Flowers BC 5'9 182 LBS Speed 4.42 Receiving grade 76.1 Drop Rate 10.3% ***Yikes Grade vs man 59.4 Ranked 184th in slot catches **** despite size this shows he likes to play outside. Ranked 7 184th in Slot Yards ****Shows he is not a slot guy Contested catches 149th *** bad number for a dude that plays outside a lot. This just does not make sense to me how Flowers is ranked so high other than the hard numbers on yards received. Jordan Addison 5'11 173 LBS Speed 4.49 *** Did not put slot numbers cause its clear he is an outside WR and not slot Receiving grade 82.4 Drop Rate 3.3 Grade vs man 76.2 Contested catches 443rd **** I mean jesus... 443'rd for an outside WR this is really bad I wanted to do this to be blinded by the stats and pay attention to the grades. Flowers and Addison have to many red flags for me... so I 1000% agree with your statement. I think in many other Drafts Flowers and Addison would be round late round 2 guys and not late round 1. Doing this footwork has actually changed my mind on Flowers.

lmao not the slightest. Still amazes me to the day ha ha

I find it amazing how these boards have evolved over the last 2 months... We went from totally rejecting the idea, to.. Yea I will take a WR but in mid rounds to, I will take a WR if we trade back a little, to... even some now saying "I will be ok with it"

you don't no when to stop do you.

Yes. When we have 200 page topic on one item and I ask "why in gods name do we need another topic on this" (and people agree) and instead of replying why, you make it a personal comment against me.. Just friggen stop for Christ sakes. My question wondering why we need another topic lead you to say "Wow, life must be pretty tough" Seriously think I won't defend myself? Enough.... Get over it.

if you think me asking why we needed another thread on this topic with others agreeing with me personal then the only skin that is thin is yours.

sorry you have to make things so personal.

unfortunately my question was fair and many agree... instead of going after my point, you went after me personal... to bad for you that I do not bite on dog food...

Just keep replying to this nonsense and maybe we will have 2 active 200 page topics on the same person lol

why in GODS NAME!!!! did we need another topic on this? 210 pages+ is NOT enough for you to figure this out? boards are going to hell in a hand basket.

I beg to differ. we got to agree to disagree on this one....

and the winners are

spot on.. I do not get why people even arguing this lol. gg.

With Technology advancing>? I think more and more players are going to start getting caught if they do not smarten up.

OMG DO IT!!! PLEASE!

he did not stay pro active when the defense was failing. Early when he started this Journy, there were a few times he took over calling the defense. He should Have done that more often. and again.. last season I thought he should have taken over play calling. I am not the only one that feels this way.....

HE owned the Defense.. It was His Baby.. My point is... McD should of Owned this defense and made it his Baby a long time ago and to the original conversation that started all this was the remark of how the former DC was let go and how late it was. I wish you guys would really catch up to my original quotes instead of turning it.

your half way through the conversation bud. I am not talking about him putting blame on himself. I am talking about others putting the blame on him. HE did admit after his HC career that he made mistakes in Buffalo that cost him. The whole point being.. Rex took accountability on to himself BY letting go people... In my opinion.... McD should of taken over the Defense Post 13 seconds... Taking accountability is different than taking blame after the fact. I think we are on same page here, you just looped into it late.

man.. lets stick to one topic. Defense. And yes. The complete change of the defense was on Rex and he admitted so day one. Rex completely redesigned the defense day one and the scheme. that was not the DC scheme it was Rex's

Lot's of assumptions being made here... Want to know what I think? and yes this is an assumption as well. I think lots of fans wanted our HC to take more accountability for something rather than nothing. And offensive HC takes bottom line accountability for his Offense and vice versa. I think when the "brass" finally decided to make a change that McD would agree with, it was to late. I also feel as many should. If your a defensive minded HC.. and especially if your a defensive minded HC you should hold yourself more accountable for your defense.. No different than Rex Ryan did accept Rex screwed this defense up... The difference is Rex took accountability of it asap as where the Accountability lied with McD in my opinion way to late. So did everyone as a whole handle things in a respectful manner? oh yea... but If Frazier would of been "moved on" cough.. "a year break" cough... earlier.. I believe he would be with another team right now under another HC.. 1000% Just remember.. we are both making a ton of assumptions here... Neither of us know the true facts here and likely never will unless its leaked years from now.

I would say, how our DC handled it was very good. If the Bills handled it with respect, they would of let him go earlier while other teams were looking for DC's of their own. By the time he left, the teams that needed a DC were slim.

then you and I listened to the wrong show bro.