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Fair enough. it just gets old. This video made me very emotional.

Weo. It was still a good conversation to have man. We good. lol. This among many other things is Why this article is being trashed on everywhere. I am always a sucker for a good convo. heated or otherwise. We have 2 perspectives. 2 opinions. Does not mean either of us are right... or wrong. Respect.

I can wind it up in one word. Toxic.

This is why @Airseven should be banned from these forums. Of ALL POSTS... he eyerolls this? Why the hell is he here other then to troll? Maybe the mods can answer this one... no you gave the eyes to the person just because... that is trolling.

that was in the article silly. I was quoting the article. I myself never brought it up. did you actually read it or just what i wrote?

they are but there are things they can not grade on, things that have situational awareness. They are getting stand alone grades nothing to do with what is happening around them or how their teammate is messing them up by not going to the right guy, not helping with 1 tech and so on. You can look at the facts that guard play can absolutely screw up Center play and you can look at how bad the guards were around him. Now. If he had guards around him that equaled Morse quality and Morse numbers still went down? Then with full absolute we can blame the center.

you ASKED for pff info. did you forget? just wow... here is your reminder.. and another reminder... before all this i NEVER brought up pff.

or maybe learn some football on the way instead of having to lean on pff stats? you act like pff stats tell the whole story and it does not. not even half the story. just cue in on pff and ignore the rest of the facts at hand.

seriously Thank you for helping me make my point. @Mr. WEO will some how explain to us how this means nothing but Thank You!

And if you think PFF numbers on one person tells everything of why he is putting up those numbers then you are clueless. You think Guard play does not effect the Center play then I do not know what to tell you. This is common Football Knowledge man.

how about stop being LAZY and look it up yourself? I told you the numbers he regressed between 2020-22. You really need that number so bad? look it up man. The number is between 20-22. Use your imagination. Unless you want to talk about why it is not the guards fault I am all ears. I think others are right though. just trying to get under my skin. have a nice day! you never argued one point other than wanting one number. nice try! Guess this is not a team sport where it could not be possible where one player vastly effects another huh? he obviously thinks guard play does not have an ill effect on centers.

accept if you read what I said, i did that already.

we don't care that you don't care

no you are not... and again... This is another example of why we should not listen to media.. cause this will now be considered a source for another media outlet and thats how bs spreads.

Do you have a point man? I mean... to answer your question, I would say the quality was the same depending on who played. Saffold was a mess and got beat often when he started. It just depended who was on the field but I am sure your point is that if the quality was the same and Morse got worse why would we blame the guards. And to the answer to that was poor quality starters depending on the week of the season. The degression of the line had much to do with when Saffold was starting and if you cant agree with me on that, then these numbers do not lie. BASE PFF for Saffold last year? 43.7 overall, 10 penalties (6th in the league) You have a guy like that starting next to your Center, it most certainly does effect the Centers ability to do his job. .Not taking the double teams properly against 1 tech .Not sliding to one side or another to support as he should. the list could go on. And for people that think Bates was good or even average on the other side? His base pff was 61.8. Obviously better then Saffold but nothing great right? And speaking of OLINE Men on the decline? Bates was 67.5 in 2020 and went down to 61.8 and if that is not enough for you? Dawkins went from a 78.1 in 2020 to a 73.5 in 22. Guys around you matter when it comes to the Lines. I do not know how else to answer your vague questions then this.

Sir i do not have pff any more. i believe his base was in low to mid 60's but you know who his guards were by him and how bad they were....

I hear his dr.'s are the "cutting edge"

yea, and that isn't even in the slightest arrogant? lol

spot on.

That rule favors Hines. Why does everyone think that every returner is going to town it within say the 10? Hines is talented enough to take risks when asked to. HE will keep special teams on their toes. You think they wont let a guy like Hines go for it often enough? I would argue right now that a healthy Morse is better than Bates and its not close for me. Again, having 2 good guards around a Center changes everything.

Right now, cutting the best center we have makes no sense. He gets a concussion this offseason or preseason? that changes things quickly.