warrior9

I keep saying Diggs couldn't get off the line to the other poster who used Diggs as an example of a WR good against man... and he simply wasn't last few years. I never said that i'm against drafting the next Diggs... at all? Diggs is 6'1 200 something pounds. I'm talking purely football on the field. Small WR's do not have an advantage at getting off the line as this guy suggested. There is literally a position for small receivers to move freely and be off the ball.... for a reason. There is a reason Kupp and Edelmen, and all of the small quick guys play in the slot...... it's because they can't get off the ball.

That is patently false. Again, just because your big or just because you're quick does NOT mean you are better/ worse at getting off the line. His sentiment was, smaller guys are harder to press at the line and it's just false. You named a few. Diggs could NOT get off the line last year. Lockett (plays slot a lot), AB, and Marvin Harrison are three of the best EVER at beating man coverage. So you pick some of the best ever as an average? Jefferson is 205 pounds... thats not a small dude IN ANY CAPACITY ... His sentiment is false. You beat people off the line by being able to move in a phone booth very quickly and having leverage and strength.. Brother... you are comparing one of the best route runners ever to a blocking WR..... Now do AB vs Julio.... We are not talking about generational players.. no generational player is easy to jam off the line. He compared AB to Gabe LOL.... If you are looking at the average WR, there is an OBVIOUS reason why small / quick guys play the slot.... its because *gasp* they have room to make a move off the line because they can't get jammed. Why doesnt AJ Brown play in the slot? OHHH because he can beat man coverage off the ball.

So Diggs was ABUSED at the line against the Chiefs..... known for his technique and route running. He's also 6 ft 1 and 200 pounds.. he's no twig. Easiest guys to jam are little guy off the line.. Small quick guys work out of the slot and in motion for a reason. Just because you're quick, doesn't mean you can move in a 1 yard box... . CB's line up within 1 yard of you if you're not off the ball or in the slot. If you're small, you're getting jammed before you move by longer arms, physical guys that punch you in the chest before you take a step. HORRIBLE take. Again, that's why small guys are used in motion and out of the slot......OFF the ball So to your rationale, Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson, DK, AJ Brown, Mike Evans, are easy to jam? L ... O .... L

Thats a VERY steep price for a team that has DJ Moore, KA, Kmet and the ability to get a younger play maker to develop behind the two. For some reason, people CLAMOR over Tee Higgins and he has been the most average WR since he came in to the league and he can't stay healthy. He's never hit 75 catches, he has had 1091 and 1029 as his career highs and never more than 7 TDs in a year. Giving up #9 for that guy.... seems like lunacy. Not to mention, Cinci giving up that much to move up 9 spots is even worse.

Did you watch the Bills/ Chiefs game? We get abused at the line every time we play them. have you watched the Chiefs / Spags play at all? They would probably disagree heavily here.

EXACTLY.. Tyreek is put together like a brick sh** house.

That’s what their O did all year… think you’re proving my point? It’s not about speed speed speed.

He won’t because he can’t get off the line. He is not Davanta off the line. Davanta is special off the line which is why he’s having a good few years. Evaluation of talent bubba.

He isn’t Kelce yet. He can be. He isn’t yet. I agree on kelce but to look at his numbers in the play offs.

I would consider Kelce the Chiefs #1. Yes, you do. We don’t have Kelsey at TE, yet. Again if we had a dominate #1 or a Kelce… I’d be all for the worthy pick. We don’t have that. No ones doing that bud. But go ahead.

If we had a bonafide #1. A big bodied guy, Worthy would be PERFECT. But we already have small guys. We do not need Worthy. We need a #1

Is he a number 1?!

How many of those guys are 170 pounds? It’s a forum that we talk about the Bills and our feelings about the team. The draft is tomorrow.

How fast was the Chiefs team last year? (We were faster at every single offensive position) Im so concerned that people believe a 6’1 170lb WR can come in here and be a true #1.

You're not doing it because you said speed speed speed and it's UTTERLY false. The best WR's in this league other than ONE don't run below a 4.4 Your speed claim is inaccurate. I didn't even talk about Worthy at all in my previous post. Again, what did you think of Quentin Johnstone coming out of TCU?

I would be MISERABLE with the pick.. There is NO WAY Beane sends a card in with Worthy. I would bet he is blowing smoke to get someone else to take him and get his guy to drop.

You can love a 6'1 170 pound WR. BUT the bolded is ABSOLUTELY and UTTERLY false. That is A HORRIFIC take. Zay Flowers ran a 4.42 and is 4 inches shorter than Worthy and weighs 10 pounds more. HOLLY WOOD BROWN?!?!?!?!?!?! REALLY? Sure Tyreek has been great but so has: Mike Evans, Davante Adams, JJ, CeeDee Lamb, AJ Brown, Aiyuk, Chris Godwin, Amon-Ra St. Brown, Kupp, Keenan Allen, Puka, Deebo, Cooper, and the list goes on. only ONE has ran under a 4.4.... Your little fast guys are FAR out numbered. Be honest, what did you think of Quentin Johnstone coming out of TCU last year? Assume you loved him?

He wasn’t asked to do much at Texas. If he can’t get off the line in the NFL, he will relegate to just that. Speed sweep guy and occasionally catch a nice deep ball.

I just don’t see it. He was a superior athlete, rarely pressed, wasn’t asked to do a ton. If he has a successful career (even similar stats to what he had at Texas) I’d be STUNNED. It’s incredibly rare that undersized guys like that make it in the NFL. We also need a bigger receiver. We don’t need worthy. We have Samuel and KS

I don't understand why people are enamored with Worthy. He is sooo skinny and one trick and that is NOT the kind of receiver we need. We lose to the Chiefs because we can't get off the line. We would probably have the smallest receiving corps in the NFL if we draft him. He will be a monumental bust, IMO. There is next to 0 chance Beane takes Worthy.

how did they take Atlanta's uniforms and make them worse? Those are ..... so awful.

Oh I'm aware. I live in Dallas and am FULLY aware of his future plans .

Yeah Mark Cuban recently did this with the Mavs.. but he actually did the majority

"Hey, in my opinion, I think we're going to be worse because we got rid of 4 30 year olds and a very injury plagued corner who was 3rd best on the team anyway. I have no basis as to why our expectations are lower other than they are getting rid of players who I like. Because of this: let's trade our generational talent at QB who is on par with the best in the league and who has carried this team for 3 years by himself. I think we should trade him for a guy who wears lip stick and dresses, and is very unproven and can be a bust. Get other receivers who I think are good but can also turn out to be busts. This makes a lot of sense" translated it for you.

So That's why in my reply to him I mentioned his instincts and football IQ. I have to wonder if his positioning, route running, etc leaves a lot to be desired. I'll watch some film and get back to you. I'm interested as well.