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Well if Ward is gone, maybe you get Minkah at 12. If Minkah is gone, you get Jaire Alexander at 12. The point is you get a first round CB in addition to keeping your two second rounders for Tre White

because you save your 2 second rounders in addition to a first round CB replacement

Sorry for the confusion - my post was about getting Allen at 4, Ward / Edmunds at 12/16 and still having #53 and #56. ALlen is guaranteed at 4 - with Ward and Edmunds most likely at 12/16. I am not disputing White > Ward. That is why Cleveland is willing to do the trade- if not, they are happy picking Ward, no? Just for example my question is - is Tre worth Ward +WR Chark / Washington + OT O'Neill / Parker. Despite the nebulous wording - grateful a couple of posters still figured it out. Thanks.

Clearly the biggest surprise of Round #1 was the Browns pick #4 going for Denzel Ward instead of Bradley Chubb. Chances are the Browns were still hoping for Barkley but basically knew they were getting Ward the moment the GIants made the Barkley pick. If we had known the Browns were looking at CB at #4 (it has been widely reported they wanted a CB to allow Garrett to get to the QB), would you be willing to trade Tredavious White for the #4 pick? Not that I am not high on White (I think he will make the Pro Bowl this year if he stays injury free). Why for the Browns: White is closer to a sure thing than Ward and still has three years on the rookie scale (at a lower salary than #4). Why for the Bills: 1. Guaranteed to get Josh Allen 2. Would have likely gotten WARD at #12 and likely still gotten Edmunds for #22 and #65 at 16. So Bills end up with Allen, Ward and Edmunds instead of Allen, White and Edmunds. All things equal, I prefer the latter - but remember in this trade Bills get to keep their 2 #2s and get an extra year on the rooki scale for their CB. So would you rate Ward, #53 and #56 as higher than Tre' White? Clearly Bills had interest in Ward - they even hosted him at OBD. typo corrected in bold

Only said it is "possible" - not that it is "likely" we dont know whether arizona was offering something worthwhile to Tampa Bay to trade down - though I'd be surprised if they didnt

BTW, the real info in that interview was for the Saints Fans - Now we know why Saints had to part with an arm and a leg for #14 from the Packers. They were bidding against the Bills, who only needed to move from #22 (as opposed to #27). One way to assess how good the draft strategy was is to see if we overreached - could we have gotten the same player with a lower pick? It is still possible Bills could have gotten Allen at 10, but we know for sure they couldnt have gotten Edmunds below since Chargers were picking him at 17.

hey hey .. desperation maybe - or he had done his research and felt #3 QB was worth the trade up and #2 QB would be a bonus with #1 QB the icing. It appears that the Jets GM has done well this offseason - of course games still need to be played. That said, I liked our GM's approach to the whole thing.

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2018/5/4/17316930/josh-allen-tremaine-edmunds-have-legit-shots-at-nfl-rookie-of-the-year-2018 I thought Edmunds has as good a shot as any at DROY - given the whole at ILB and how easy it will be to plug and play him. Quite frankly, despite my Bills tinted glasses, I was surprised at Josh Allen's odds for OROY - kinda surprised that Darnold aint ahead of him ..

The first reason is obvious - continue to aid Josh Allen's development The second reason is that he probably knows the Jets' franchise QB's strengths and weaknesses better than anybody else. We meet em twice a year to eternity and the defense would like to hear Palmer's take on what to do vs. Darnold. The third reason - if we dont hire him, the Jets might. Or worse, the Patriots will hire him for a year and Belicheat will get valuable insight into QBs they will face 4 times a year.

Among all the analysts he has the best track record in predicting QB success. In 2017, he had Warson ahead of Mahones and Trubusky In 2016, he had Wentz ahead of Goff ( he did have a late first grade on Lynch which was a miss) In 2015, he had Mariota and Winston ahead of everyone else In 2014, he had Manziel at 10 but remember Johnny's issues were not football related ( Johnny actually was the only QB to have a remotely decent WL record as Briwns QB in recent years In 2013 he had Geno Smith (late first) rated higher than EJ who had a mid 2nd grade overall I would take his hit miss rate over any other analyst any day. kudos to op for bringing this to our attention

Which is my point Poleshifter - by swapping, we effectively drafted a top 10 lock at 7 and a guy surely gone by 10 at 16 - which does not sound bad at all.

I would like to be over by at least 3 or under by at least 3 - Just dont want to be stuck in the middle.

OK Here is another way to love our Round 1 choices. Just imagine that we had picked Tremaine Edmunds at 7 and Josh Allen at 16. Clearly nobody - even that SI writer who gave us a D- just based off the Allen trade and pick - would think it is bad. Tremaine is a genuine Top 10 talent who you can plug anywhere (OLB, ILB, DE, even DB) you have a hole. And, to get one of the top 4 QBs (who others coveted too) at 16 has to be a steal, no? I think some of these writers (Silva / Iyer) are just not thinking clearly!

So, like many of you post the draft, I try to understand why the Bills did what they did with each pick. For example Pick 1 - I was waiting for the trade-up and when I first heard it was 2 second rounders - I thought OK that is not so bad we still have #22. Then I saw the Cards just give up a 3rd and a 5th and I was hopping mad. We now know that there was likely a bidding war at #7 - so I dont feel so bad anymore. I was expecting the pick to be Rosen - but it seems the league-wide consensus was that Allen was the better pick - and I have begun liking the pick. Pick 2 - When I heard we gave up #65, I felt it was a bit much - but knew it was going to be Tremaine Edmunds and the more I have read up on him (including how the Chargers were gonna take him at 17), the more happy I am with the trade and the pick. Pick 3 - I thought Callaway (WR) was going to be the pick (with Hurst the dark horse) but was over the moon with the Phillips pick and I continue to be. No need to rationalize anything. But I started getting antsy about WR / OL here. Pick 4 - Here is where I was really puzzled - CB Really? Dont we need OL / WR help? Equanimeous Brown / J'Mon Moore / Tyrell Crosby / Wyatt Teller still out there. Of course it did not help that I really liked Parry Nickerson - the CB out of Tulane way better than Taron Johnson - but I thought OK that is a position we need depth in and I trust McD's CB evaluation after last year and I say that EJ Gaines was teh closest comparison for Taron Johnson - so I rationalized it was not a bad pick. Pick 5 - This was a head scratcher, for sure. Of course Crosby just got picked at 153 (which made me mad) - so I am expecting St. Brown / Teller and we go for another DB in Siran Neal - However great he is - dont we need someone on offense? - this remains a head scratcher even now - cant rationalize it. Real WTF moment. Pick 6 - Expecting Teller or more likely St. Brown (internet searches for why the hell is he still falling - laughed at twitter conjectures that he took a dump on an NFL executive's table - the guy did so well catching Kizer's balls in 2016 (did I just type that - lol) - he seemed a natural fit with another big armed QB in Allen. Got Teller - Happy with the pick. Pick 7 - Alternately yelling WR and St. Brown (still cant say his first name) at the TV and we pick Ray-Ray Mcloud - average height, no production, maybe a returner. Completely stunned! Why not Brown? I had seen mock's that had a round 2-3 grade on the guy and I had seen him play Syracuse and Texas in 2016 and to see him still undrafted in the 6th when we have a major need - that is when I lost it - I still cant figure out why we would want a Day 3 returner over a genuine Day 2 type WR. Very Upset especially when GB took him in the early 200s. Pick 8 - Proehl pick, I am like meh - and then I read how McBeane have known the kid since a child - but I am still very underwhelmed by the last 5 picks - in my mind one was a great pick (Teller), one I rationalized ex-post (Johnson) - but am still puzzled by the Neal and Mcloud picks.

You guys will love this detailed article. A little long but made me fall in love with our pick once more. (Bonus if you click on the article: Claims Vita Vea is overrated) https://www.bigblueview.com/2018/4/16/17243128/2018-nfl-draft-defensive-tackle-reports-harrison-phillips-vita-vea-taven-bryan Others will be drafted ahead of him, but Phillips is our staff favorite. Overview...Ask any football fan and they are quick to tell you that their favorite interior defenders are “grunts,” especially those that occupy the role of nose guard/tackle. For teams that utilize this position, often that player aligns across the line of scrimmage from the offense’s center before the play begins in the “zero-technique” position. In this position, frequently taking on the center and at least one if not both of the guards, the nose tackle is considered to be the most physically demanding position in football – a perfect place for the 2013 Junior National heavyweight champion and the state of Nebraska’s heavyweight champion to ply his wares. When Stanford switches to a stacked five-linemen situation, such as a goal-line formation, Phillips is always is the innermost lineman, flanked on either side by a defensive tackle or defensive end. He is used in that role despite that position generally requiring a more traditional defense demand - a massive man who can clog up the middle. Much like the Rams’ Aaron Donald, Phillips compensates for not growing into a 360-pound behemoth like Baltimore’s Brandon Williams with outstanding raw power and impressive quickness to penetrate and move along the front. Yes, typical National Football League nose tackles are “big wide bodies who can hold the point of attack and force double teams by the guard and center,” but it is easy to see on Cardinal game films, that Phillips is the linchpin to the team’s success vs. the run, as he tirelessly combats double and triple-team coverage in the trenches. NFL nose tackles are usually the heaviest players on the roster, with weights ranging from 325 to 375 pounds, but has that country-strong lower base that makes it tough for bigger blockers to root him out. Sure, he might get knocked to the ground by multiple blockers, but until that whistle sounds, you will see him literally crawl along the turf, reach out and still make the crucial tackle in a crowd. Most NFL talent evaluators will tell you that height is critical, as the nose tackle/guard is supposed to get “under” the offensive line, which means ideal 3–4 performers at this position are usually no taller than six-feet, three-inches. Phillips checks in at a shade above that requirement, but years of being on the wrestling mat has seen him develop that Aaron Donald/Curly Culp/John Randle-like low center of gravity. Much like Randle, Phillips has performed at a tremendous rate when asked to attack the quarterback and disrupt the backfield activity. During his two seasons in the starting lineup, Phillips has been directly [involved in] 135 running plays, as he posted 33 tackles inside the red zone, including ten on goal-line snaps. Blessed with above average speed, his concepts for taking angles and being relentless in pursuit has seen him register twenty touchdown saving tackles vs. the ground game, making a total of thirty-eight stops-for-loss (solos and assists) while taking down twelve ball carriers at the line of scrimmage for no gain. Phillips 2017 Season Statistical Breakdown vs. the Running Game…The nose tackle was directly involved in 91 running plays, as he recorded 52 lone tackles on carries that netted 28 yards and assisted on 39 other carries for 69 yards, yielding a rushing average of just a miniscule 1.07 yards per attempt…Yielded on just three first downs and allowed just one runner a chance to score on him, as Phillips recorded twelve third-down stops vs. the ground game…Registered twenty stops (solos and assists) for losses and took down ten other runners at the line of scrimmage for no gain…The nose tackle delivered eleven touchdown-saving tackles, coming out of his area to make the play when other Cardinal defenders missed their coverage assignments. Phillips 2017 Season Statistical Breakdown vs. the Passing Game…Phillips was directly involved in 23 pass plays, allowing just one catch (pass completion percentage of .0455) for a 14-yard first down…Also assisted in taking a receiver down on a third-down catch for 12 yards…Made 10 third-down stops, as he produced eight quarterback pressures, including one that caused an interception, in addition to jamming running backs coming out on pass plays that could not be completed…Stopped one receiver for a loss and took down another at the line of scrimmage for no gain…Came out of his area to make two touchdown-saving tackles vs. the aerial game. Phillips Scouting Report Body Structure...Phillips has a compact frame with solid muscle tone, thick chest, broad shoulders, thick thighs and calves and a good bubble. He has low body fat and could use more bulk on his frame, especially if he is to remain on the defensive line, but you don’t want him to overdo it, as his quickness is one of his better assets. He has a nice wing-span in proportion for his size (not verified, but one reports lists it at 77 5/8-inches), evident by the way he extends his arms to stave off blockers attempting to get into his chest. He also possesses big hands (9 ¾-inches) to latch on to a ball carriers jersey and drag the runner down. Athletic Ability...Phillips is a solidly built defender with excellent explosion and quickness to get to the football. He is the type of player who shows outstanding field awareness, evident by his consistency in coming up with big plays in tight areas (see 2017 USC and San Diego State; 2016 Oregon and North Carolina games). He plays with tough aggression and is a disruptive force that needs to be accounted for on every play. He has sharp change of direction skills and a very quick first step. His flexibility and balance allow him to flow with the play while working down the line. He also displays fluid knee bend, hip flip and balance to stay up on his feet. You can see on film that he is a quick-twitch player with natural movement ability, especially when he maintains balance jumping over trash to make the play. Phillips is a quick and explosive run container who plays with non-stop effort. He is a short stepper who does a very good job of using his upper body strength and lower frame power to collapse the offensive line and occupy multiple blockers. He gets into the blockers with good urgency and shows very good hip flexibility and lower body quickness to make plays moving down the line (see 2017 Oregon State, Washington State and Notre Dame games). He plays stout at the point of attack and uses his hands well to keep blockers away from his chest. When he stays low in his pads, he gains leverage and shows strength and explosion coming off the snap. His agility is evident by the way he remains low in his pads while generating ease of movement when changing direction to close on the ball. He flashes good power and upper body explosion to consistently walk the blocker back into the quarterback or clog the rush lanes by neutralizing the lead blocker when working in-line. His sudden moves and strong hand placement are ideal for playing the edge in a 3-4 alignment, but his power base and anchor make him a nice fit as an under/nose tackle in a traditional 4-3 front wall. He plays with good urgency and has the long reach and hand placement to easily sidestep low blocks. He has the leaping ability and reach to deflect passes at the line of scrimmage and when he keeps his pads down, he can generate a very quick push off the snap to penetrate and shoot the gaps. Football Sense... There may not be a better guy to coach. Phillips does all that is asked and is not a showboat – he just comes to play. He is a respected leader, despite just one season of starting experience and always plays at a high tempo. He is an outstanding worker on the field who has a true passion for the game. He is the type of player that brings out the best in his teammates, either by setting an example or pushing his mates to play better. Phillips plays with valid football instincts and is a smart player who will have no problem taking plays from the chalkboard to the playing field. He is able to pick up blocking schemes quickly. He is not the type that will bite on play action and misdirection. He knows how to take proper angles when chasing down ball carriers in the backfield and is the type that will not have problems digesting a complicated playbook. He anticipates the plays well and does a good job flowing to the ball along the line. Explosion/Pursuit...Phillips shows good initial quickness, as he has the leg drive to explode off the ball and the hand punch to consistently rock the offensive linemen back on their heels. He has the suddenness to easily gain advantage out of the “blocks” and flashes that strong hand movement to shock and jolt the lead blockers. He has become very consistent with his hand usage and staying low in his pads. There are times where he seems to relish taking on double teams more than playing in one-on-one battles, a testament to his “Viking-like” attack approach. He is a good quick-twitch player who can gain immediate penetration when he maintains that low pad level and keeps his hands active within his frame. You can see on film his quickness getting into gaps to disrupt the running play (see 2017 Oregon State, Washington State, Washington, California and Notre Dame contests). He can surprise a lethargic blocker and slip past double teams with his burst, showing the strength needed to get a good push off his man. He excels at neutralizing multiple blockers and has that hip shake you want when trying to execute counter moves. He is so quick to get an edge on the blocker that his opponent will generally get put to the ground or be left grasping at air. When he gains advantage, he will generally keep it. He is very light on his feet, doing a nice job of working down the line when playing in the short area. Strength at the Point of Attack...Phillips is a naturally strong athlete who has the added benefit of knowing how to use that power and base to lean on and slip off blocks. He is quick to use his hands in attempts to shock, throw and jerk the offensive lineman and even vs. double teams, he won’t stay blocked for long. He has the good balance and anchor to stay on his feet and uses his arm length well to defeat low blocks at his legs. His hand punch is highlighted by the way he forcefully disengages from blocks and as he continues to improve his leverage working in-line, he can be quite effective staying on the tail of a ball carrier to chase down running plays in the backfield (see 2017 USC regular season game, San Diego State, Arizona State, Oregon State, Notre Dame and USC/Pac-12 title games). I am very impressed with his outstanding upper body strength – well beyond what his body frame indicates he should have - as it allows him to consistently use his hands to gain separation or when trying to stuff and shed. He also shows the nimble feet to adjust to movement when working down the line. He is quick to fill the rush lanes and shows good creativity and spin moves shooting the gaps. He is very combative with his hands and has the strength to shock and control and opponent when he locks on. He has developed into the type of player that demands constant double team activity from his opponent, as he is very hard to move off the line. When he plants his feet and settles in for a battle, he uses his low center of gravity to gain leverage and he keeps his feet free, demonstrating very effective two-gap potential. Use of Hands...This is where Phillips has shown marked improvement, as he has become confident in his hand punch to shock and jolt. He no longer gets his hands outside his frame, keeping them tight to prevent blockers from getting into his chest, locking on and riding him wide from the play (had those issues earlier in his career). He flashes that explosive punch needed to quickly gain separation and uses them with authority to control the action at the point of attack. When he keeps those hands active, he has good success when trying to stack and extend. He also shows good timing to get his hands up to create vision issues for quarterbacks trying to throw the underneath balls. Phillips’s quick arm-over action and upper body strength lets him consistently beat his blocker off the snap. Even when he short-arms at times, he stays after the blocker, using his body lean to get a push. Lateral Pursuit/Effort...Phillips plays until the whistle, staying in control while getting over and around most trash. With his low center of gravity, his opponents have had a hard time executing scoop and fold blocks vs. him, as he showed the quickness to loop behind the offensive linemen to drive the lead blocker back through the gaps. He is more mobile working down the line than the generally slow-prodding interior defensive linemen. He has the valid foot speed to give chase and pursue in the backfield, staying low in his pads while keeping his hands active to avoid low blocks. He also demonstrates good hustle agility from the back-side, along with the burst needed to close on the quarterback (see 2017 San Diego State, UCLA, Oregon, Washington State and Notre Dame contests). With his playing speed, he has had good success clearing trash that guards and centers try to create when double-teaming him. There are times where he will get a bit high in his stance (mostly on long pursuits), and when this happens, he tends to narrow his base and fail to keep his feet free. Tackling Ability...Phillips has more than enough functional strength to clog the inside rush lanes and shows good explosion and striking power, along with the wrap-up technique to be productive at the NFL level. He needs to continue to play at his 2017 level, where he showed great strength in locking up blockers, along with the power to take away the outside leg of the running back to prevent the ball carriers forward progress (allowed just three ball carriers to record first down carries vs. him in 2017). He has very good strength behind his hits and is an efficient wrap-up tackler with the long arms to engulf the perimeter runners. He has the lateral agility to push the outside running game back inside and the field vision to quickly locate the cutback lanes. Because of his wide frame and brute strength, when he makes a collision tackle, he instantly stops the ball carrier’s momentum. There is no leakage when working inside, but when he does get a little out of control (not often), he will miss tackles when operating in space. Phillips spends most of his time occupying multiple blockers to free up a teammate to make the play, but has enough power to get the ball carrier down on initial contact. He can deliver an explosive punch in closed quarters and there is no leakage working inside. He might get a little out of control and miss in space, at times, but he is a very effective tackler when stationed inside the box. Consistently fitting and finishing at the point of attack, he has above average strength to lock up and enough quickness to combine with his power to make explosive tackles. When he attacks a ball carrier, he punishes them. Run Defense...Phillips has allowed only three first downs on 89 running plays directed at him in 2017, preventing those runners from gaining positive yardage on 31 of those carries (21 tackles-for-loss, ten stops at the line of scrimmage for no gains this year). He has very good balance to stay on his feet working through trash and uses his natural strength well to plug the inside gaps. His arm strength and hand punch lets him get the separation needed to get back on the play in a hurry. He also uses his reach effectively to stack and his wide anchor to hold ground at the point of attack. With his quickness shooting the gaps and solid base, he’s tough to move out, even when matching up vs. double teams. He is tough to defend in the short area when moving down the line and is very conscious of low blocks and how to avoid them. With more bulk, he should have no problem at the NFL level in becoming an immovable object at the point of attack, as he is quick to hunker down and fill the rush lanes. Phillips is a very stout vs. the inside run, doing a fine job of clogging the rush lanes and using the lead blocker to generate gap containment. He relishes his role in holding up, clogging and disrupting the action in the backfield. He stacks well at the point of attack and uses that excellent low center of gravity to leverage. He might be shorter and lighter than most nose guards at the NFL level, but I don’t see him having problems playing the two-gap (ideally, he’s a three-tech player) and he does a nice job of keeping his feet free on the move. He plays with leverage thanks to his strength to hold ground firmly and he plays with good effort when giving chase. Pass Rush... Phillips shows good desire in attempts to collapse the pocket (see 2017 San Diego State, UCLA, Oregon, Arizona State and Notre Dame contests) and gives solid second effort vs. double teams when trying to disengage. He shows good agility squeezing the pocket and what is impressive from viewing 2017 film is that it was rare to see him get narrow in his base coming off the edge, as blockers had little or no success forcing him out of the pocket. This season, he has become a very instinctive pass rusher who is very active with his hands to keep blockers off of him. He utilizes his wide array of moves (rip, club, swim, arm-over, under-arm) to split double teams. Once he gets a bead on the quarterback, the passer is usually a “sitting duck.” His initial push rocks blockers back on their heels and he is quick to push the pocket. He changes direction on movement and has a very effective spin move that he utilizes a lot when the blocker tries to lean into him to gain body position. He generates great power in his initial surge and while he is more effective on the bull rush, he has the ability to wreak havoc in the backfield when trying to flush out the quarterback (see 2017 San Diego State, Oregon and North Carolina games). He can turn the corner and shows good counter moves to come underneath and make the play. His lower body strength lets him push the pocket and he displays very good urgency to get to the quarter-back. When he extends his arms and uses good forward body lean, he has had very good success pressing the inside shoulder of the offensive tackle, as he shows flexibility and leverage to go with an explosive burst to close on the pocket. He also has the loose hips you want in an under tackle and he has enough quickness to utilize him edge rusher for a few snaps, as he can consistently turn the corner. Phillips has very good initial speed for a defensive tackle when trying to collapse the pocket. He has functional speed to come off the edge, but had much better success disrupting the backfield when shooting the gaps. He flashes the pressure production that will allow an edge rusher to be isolated in his pursuit to the quarterback, as Phillips had very good success splitting double teams in 2017. You can see on film that extra acceleration and surge when attacking the passer, along with the desire to make things happen once he penetrates the line of scrimmage (had just three missed tackles on 89 first level plays). With his balance and agility, he has no problems with twists and games. He shows great confidence when playing over the center’s head, as he is able to give a good arm-over action to gain advantage over the outside shoulder of the guards in attempts to apply pressure. While he can win with quickness, he is a highly effective hand fighter that can shed blockers. He has the lateral mobility to develop effective double moves and has become a great bull rusher. He shows great knee bend and looks explosive when he rushes off the edge, but he also flashes above average speed to power and can put bigger offensive tackles on roller skates when he shoots the gaps to close on the quarterback. Instincts/Recognition... Phillips has a good feel to read and locate the ball. He is best when he reacts quickly, as sometimes he looks a little mechanical when he plans his moves. He will not be fooled by fakes and play action. His flow to the ball comes with no hesitation. And he has a nice feel for blocks and where they are coming from (rare to see him surprised or caught out of position). With his quickness and a lack of bulk, he could move to under-tackle at the next level, but with his low center of gravity and power, I would not hesitate to line him up at the nose guard slot. The thing I like is his ability to quickly recognize blocking schemes. Few down linemen in this draft show his discipline, desire and field smarts. He doesn’t back down when teams commit two blockers and he is always willing to mix it up with much heavier offensive linemen. He gives the same effort rushing the passer as he does when chasing the run, thanks to his good overall motor and he flashes elite effort on certain snaps. Compares To...John Randle-ex-Minnesota…Like Randle, Phillips is bigger, faster and stronger than he was earlier in his collegiate career. For all of the athleticism displayed by the Cardinal, he offers a team an Aaron Donald type that can be moved around the first level, as he is an ideal under-tackle who can line up wide as a strong-side end in a 3-4 defensive alignment, but teams that utilize the under-tackle position in their 4-3 scheme will see that Phillips is also the perfect solution to solve any issues that they might have at that position. Simply put, this is a player destined to walk the podium to be greeted by the commissioner in 2018.

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not so surprising since Browns picking 4th were taking Barkley if he fell. So, if you want Barkley, you can only trade with the Jets, which wasnt happening since Jets did not have draft capital left.

Personally I preferred Parry NIckerson over Siran Neal and Taron Johnson but am willing to concede that McD probably knows the DBs who fit his system better. Also, after the Zay experience, I am not sure about our team's ability to evaluate players on offense as well as defense. This is not a knock on McBeane.

In defense of the OP, we all did exult over Edmunds, Philips picks - we didnt just say we trust the process. So if we can independently be happy about some picks, we can also be disappointed no?

OK strategy is BPA in their estimate I guess

umm Brian Waters, Larry Little, Nate Newton, Jason Peters, Joe Jacoby, Lou Groza (HOF) all undrafted .. that said I do agree Bills should not look to draft a lineman with #96

So many OL being drafted - Clearly there will be opportunities when teams cut players to make room for the draftees - given our depletion of draft capital in rounds 2 and 3 and the holes we have in OL - I think we should focus on drafting WRs and be ready to use those opportunities to get OL.

Rumor mills and smokescreens on eve of draft. Are they going to have a bong video of Rosen too? I still think Rosen is going top 5 especially if Bills vault into the top 5. Of course a small part of me wants the Bills to draft him at 7,8 or 9 since the Cards and Fins have assets to move into the top 10 to snare him. No way he slides past 10.

I love FLutie as much as the nexy guy, but methinks Rob Johnson would have been treated by the Bills fans way differently if Home Run Throw "forward" did not happen. Wade Philips coached a great game and his decision to bench Flutie for Johnson was fundamentally sound. Let us please be a bit kinder to Rob Johnson.

just rewarding him for the SB win. i think those extra dollars dont make him untradeable - it is a signing bonus so the team receiving Foles doesnt have to pay that. he is still going to be traded.