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I don't know... I go back and forth, but I think we all forget how poorly Josh played in the middle portion of the season last year until Tampa Bay 2nd Half. The difference, to me, is I don't remember Josh having so many throws that literally don't make any sense. He struggled with the Cover 2 shell teams threw at us - If y'all remember, the Bills and Chiefs were both going through slumps. However, in the last 10 quarters, he's had about 4 turnovers where in a re-watch of the play, either he and the WR are on different planets as to what was supposed to happen, or defenders are literally invisible to him at times. Including the throw that lost the game yesterday where it was 5 yards off target of any Bills player and thrown into a mess of coverage for no reason.

Reading this post like oh, ok, wow interesting, definitely concerning.... andddd post falls off a cliff.

Very. At 6-3, If this team can't get to 8-3, there are serious problems. I think there are correctable issues, but not serious problems, with the obvious question of "Can this coach get them over the hump?" lingering over them.

You can think Beasley stinks, and he does seem to be done. But that doesn’t change how players in our locker room felt about him and the issue at hand. All unsubstantiated but it sounds like Bills players both loved him and agreed with his stance. Dude spoke out for other players, and one of them was Gabe Davis, another may very well have been Josh Allen. We don’t know and will probably never know with him.. nor should it matter. But Cole was a big piece of this team. He’s not just some guy who became a distraction.

Never heard that, but the Cole Beasley leftover sentiment could be real. I’ve heard from some who would also back up the idea that a lot of Bills players agreed with his stance. That said.. it’s scar tissue. We’re a year removed. But it can reignite when you’re annoyed about other things too.

Not sure “unstoppable offense” and scoring 12 points in the 2nd half over the last 3 games really lines up. You say it’s because Allen forces it or we make mistakes. Ok, fair enough.. Why do we force it and make mistakes though? Allen has no jump ball option like many teams do. There’s no creativity from the OC. We can’t run the ball in tight spaces. Sounds like a lot of issues that could affect you when you get into the red zone. All due to roster building.

At 6-1, Tre just being activated. Life is good. I’m sure there’s some division/issues in the locker room over whatever, but I’d bet that’s the same in most locker rooms. At 6-3, Tre still not on the field, yet another mid-season swoon, offense ineptness in the 2nd half, end of game continued nonsense/choking, a RD2 pick who can’t get meaningful snaps when all he does is play well, and a trade for Hines… who is our punt returner? Yea … if there’s issues, this is when they bubble to the forefront.

Tennessee last year. Similarly heartbreaking, awful loss.

Probably did .. but winning is a cure-all.

Winning cures all. These are highly competitive people. When L’s start showing up on the ledger, lots of teams have internal issues that come to life. Just a matter of how toxic the issues truly are. *A worry of mine would be trust in the coaching staff. As a player, seeing the types of losses we have had, and factoring in 13 seconds. At some point, do you you tune them out because you don’t think they’re good at their job. At 6-1, no problem. 6-3… and another ridiculous loss… yea, I don’t know if I want to hear Frazier or McDermott talking to me about how I need to focus on fundamentals … why don’t y’all?

This is a super sensitive thread by the OP. I haven’t seen much of anyone “turning on” Josh Allen. The convo, justifiably, has been focused on how: This is now the second season in a row where the entire team slumps, coinciding with Josh Allen slumping. He’s way too aggressive and not seeing the field, specifically when he predetermines that he wants to take kill shots.. resulting in horrible turnovers. Coaching, roster building has let him down. We have no slot WR currently and that’s clearly affecting him. Its not all on him what we’ve seen since the bye, specifically in 2nd half’s… but it’s definitely some on him, and it’s ok to talk about it. He was elite Josh for most of the game yesterday. We win, he’s the MVP front runner again. We didn’t. And it’s because in the big moment he threw an absurd pick… one we’ve been seeing every game recently.

Are you not a fan of the fake screen, throw it in the dirt play we run multiple times per game?

That should honestly be read to the team/staff and then answered by them. Its sad how accurate that statement is.

It was going to happen. The team is decimated by injury. Just got lit up by a passing offense. Godwin has been back, now rumors that OBJ is ready to go. Im not saying I think anything nefarious is going on, or that White is milking it… it’s just frustrating to see this drag on as L’s now start racking up.

This. Dorsey allows Allen to go hero mode when you dial up hero mode route concepts. We get a first down. Great position to win the game. 1:50ish left. Two timeouts. Next two play designs were called like we were down 4 with 16 secs left. I’ll give grace that maybe the option is for Allen to just run if the TD isn’t open, hence no one running a route shallow or middle of the field .. but the throws dialed up for Allen only serve to encourage him to be hyper aggressive with no other option other than Singletary leaking out late.. and Allen would rather commit seppuku than check down there, if he would have even seen him.

I thought Allen was fantastic today. If we finish off that drive, he’s back to MVP favorite and everyone is ball washing him for his performance in the game of the year. He didn’t though. He made the fatal mistake that he’s been making for ten quarters now. Not being patient, hyper-aggressive, and end result being not just a pick … but a pick that has you dumbfounded as to what he was even looking at.

We won, but I remember Atlanta being pretty rough for Allen too. Also, the weather was horrible every home game last year.

We hadn’t seen postseason unstoppable Josh Allen yet. It was pretty ugly, but we didn’t have the lofty expectations for him. They were high.. like MVP high, but not unstoppable force high. Same goes for the team. There were definitely games at this time last year where we all agreed Josh was losing us games with his off play. I don’t ever remember him literally throwing to opposing teams with frequency though. There’s picks and then there’s picks. Cousins throwing a high pick to Benford happens. Cousins throwing directly to Dane Jackson doesn’t. And Josh has done that like 3 games straight.

Where did I do that? Dorsey doesn’t have to go under center, high pressure sneak at the inch line. Cam Lewis doesn’t have to give up multiple game saving plays to Minnesota. Plenty of blame to go around. Just one loss, but our entire season rides on Allen getting right. It seemed, for much of the game, that he snapped out of it. Then we all saw what happened on the final throw… an inexplicable throw he’s made far too often in the past 10 quarters.

Nobody is saying that, but if you can’t get it through his head that his elbow is worth a quarter of a billion dollars and he means everything to the team, and in some ways, the city … then he’s clearly tuning people out and/or just not getting the message. Someone needs to be able to, at the very least, get that through his head.

Joe Brady is the QB coach that is with him on the sideline. A new hire in the off-season.

You should. That is a ridiculous thing to say.

I’m going to say it .. Josh Allen needs something more, or for someone to give him something more, in terms of a steadying presence on the field. It doesn’t seem Dorsey, Keenum, Brady can do that.. yet. He refuses to take what is given. He is a “momentum player” right now. You can see it in his eyes .. whenever he makes a big play, or consecutive big plays, he .. and the playcalling allowing him to do this .. goes dagger mode. Killshot engage, and he ignores everything else that’s happening in front of that. Teams will literally leave guys alone in the flat or on shallow routes. They know where his heads at right now. Especially when he gets that look. Do y’all want to know how I know he needs someone to calm him tf down?… HE PUNCHED THE BALL WITH HIS BAD ARM ON A TURNOVER I could not even believe I witnessed that on the replay. What’s going on with him right now is mental .. and Daboll isn’t here to help him. Somebody else needs to.

Cook looks dynamic every time he touches the ball now. Even the run where he had a 3-4 yard gain, he literally dove 3 more yards for a 7 yard gain.

Everything with staff seems like it moves an molasses pace. Which is ok when they’re winning… But now people are justifiably asking what is going on with Tre, why does RD2 pick Cook touch the ball so little, why did we trade for Hines… Its like they want a half a season ramp up for everyone.