SoCal Deek

Sierra, This is why we’re having an adult discussion about a complicated issue. If you actually read my post you’ll see I’ve been careful not to judge the validity of her claim. I’m simply asking whether this is the appropriate remedy for the damage she claims that she suffered. Make sense? And to add to your question about if it was my daughter, I’ve actually thought about that exact question. The answer I’ve come to is that I don’t think I could EVER sit in the new car she bought with the proceeds….but that’s just me.

Thanks Augie The reason I bring up the funds is because a civil trial is very different from a criminal one. In a criminal case, the convicted goes to prison. The victim gets essentially nothing other than the knowledge that the convicted is locked up and therefore can’t hurt anyone else for the term of their incarceration. However, in a civil case the remedy goes directly to the victim, not to society at large. It’s why, as I’m sure everyone can tell, I’m uncomfortable with these cases. I guess it’s why I’d be less uncomfortable if the plaintiff said they were going to donate the proceeds.

Aloha people I’ve been trying to move this discussion away from the particulars of a he said, she said scenario because as I’ve posted a few times now, none of us knows what actually happened in this incident. The process will obviously play itself out. My conceptual question is whether people think that filing a civil suit is the appropriate remedy (‘justice’ as Sierra called it) for what allegedly happened here. I’m actually on the fence. On the one hand, a monetary settlement doesn’t seem particularly appropriate when the victim hasn’t been monetarily damaged. On the other hand I can understand the frustration of the alleged victim if all other avenues of redress have been (at least in her mind) exhausted. It’s on that point that the timing comes into play. Is it appropriate, as a victim, to simply wait in the weeds and pounce when the defendant comes into money? How does their financial status bring you justice? Are you promising to donate all proceeds to a women’s shelter? If the true intent is to get back at the defendant couldn’t you have done more actual damage to the defendant by bringing this into court BEFORE he even got to this point? I could go on, but I’m curious what people think. Believe me…I realize it’s hard to have such philosophical discussions on a message board.

Sierra I’m trying to have a conceptual conversation here but you want to just keep stating things we all already know. I’m guessing I’m not going to make much progress and they’re closing the airplane doors so I have to sign off. Mahalo!

Really? Go figure! The issue here is that the remedy being sought is money, when it’s unclear what monetary damages the plaintiff is seeking to recover. Do you know?

A civil suit is at its very essence, a money grab. That doesn’t mean the incident didn’t occur but the remedy being sought is in fact, money.

$2,000 spread over ten years works out to $20.00 per game, and less if it gives you access to other events. In ten years that’ll be chump change. Seems like a good price to guarantee a sideline spot under the roof.

I don’t think anyone can judge the situation between the girl and Mad Max. But I do have wonder why the Bills took the plunge seeing as how they knew all about it. It’s not like he’s a sixth round punter. If this goes bad, it’s a helluva public relations nightmare.

I’m guessing that the employer (owner) wants as much flexibility as possible when it comes to employee compensation. They probably don’t want guaranteed contracts becoming all the rage. Just my guess.

Exactly

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not blaming the Bills here. I suspect they definitely looked into it. You can read into that what you will. For me, it means they weren’t all that concerned.

Understood but….That’s not what I asked. The NFL’s public relations exposure here doesn’t come anywhere close to the Bills exposure. Being invited to the combine doesn’t mean you’re getting drafted and certainly not in the 1st Round.

So is it safe to say that the Bills didn’t think there was much, if anything, to be concerned about? I mean, given the Punt God experience, I find it hard to imagine OBD can use the ‘go figure’ defense.

The primary difference between a criminal versus civil proceeding is NOT the level of proof required. The difference is the nature of the remedy sought. A criminal case results in prison time. It is therefore in many ways considered a crime against society at large…meaning that if found guilty you are removed from society. A civil case results in monetary payment to the plaintiff. It’s therefore not considered a crime against society but solely against the plaintiff. If I’m not mistaken, a criminal case is brought by the State with a state/federal prosecutor representing society. A civil case is brought by a private plaintiff with an attorney representing only the accuser.

It’s interesting you share that photo. I can see a monetary civil judgement if once again you were financially damaged by the defendant. For example, if you killed the family breadwinner but were found innocent of criminal charges, then that loss of income would be cause for a civil remedy. That doesn’t seem to be the case here, or in OJ’s case either for that matter.

As has been said many times, ‘anyone can sue you for anything’ but these cases always bother me. If you were financially damaged by someone then I can see the purpose and remedy provided by a civil suit. But, suing someone because you failed in an attempt at criminal charges has never seemed appropriate to me. Nor in my opinion, is it the intent of the law.

As others have said, the timing of this is obvious. But what most are missing is that the Plaintiffs attorney probably convinced his client to bring charges right now, before McDs defensive strategy goes full Elam on the young man. 😉

Nice work on this . I immediately went to the AFC East predictions but living in Southern California couldn’t help take a peek at the LA Rams. I remember a year ago when people said the Rams were going to be a total disaster having put all the chips in to win a Super Bowl at SoFi Stadium a year or two previously ….and yet somehow (if Corta is right) they’re right back as top contenders to do it….again. Is this observation Bills related? Yes. Can it please be our year in 2025? Please! It just shouldn’t be this darn hard…dammit! Go Bills

In all the many years I spent pushing a lawnmower around my parents WNY lawn never once did I think to myself that it was really hard to grow grass in Buffalo. 😂

This is a message board devoted to chatting about a football team. You don’t actually think that anything posted on here is intended to change anything, do you? Just keep smiling. It’ll all be okay. 😉

What are the odds that nieve is incorrectly spelled?

That original scoreboard was cutting edge at the time. Looking back it was really just a bunch of light bulbs, but nobody had ever thought you could watch replays while sitting in the stadium. The picture quality was horrible but if you squinted you could almost tell what was on the ‘screen’. 😂

I’ve mentioned this quite a few times. Seat width and row spacing are probably the two biggest impacts on game day comfort but are often overlooked in the design process. Row spacing is determined very early on and is extremely hard to change later on. Seat width comes from the seating manufacturer and can change up until the last minute …but it has huge impact on seating capacity.

It may be different in different States because it is the case in California, where I served as the President of a large corporation for years. We were required to designate Officers of the Corporation every year. It was a standing action item on our Board Agenda. Regardless, even if it isn't the case in every State, then the term President has even less standing or authority. It is essentially just something somebody puts on their business card. And as I've said, I have absolutely no opinion on the Pegula's one way or the other. You clearly do.

I’ve often wondered about that. I’ve never played a professional sport and certainly not at the NFL level. What’s it feel like for the 3rd string QB to sit right next to Josh in the locker room knowing that he makes more for throwing a single pass than you’ll make all season?