SoCal Deek

Just another reason why I always watch the cliff divers from up on the cliffs ABOVE the actual divers....you kids! (I trust your friend is OK)

Now wait a minute! Ned and the others actually may be onto something. Putting 100% of your faith in government has been proven to have had an excellent track record down through the centuries. (Or at the very least it's bound to work this time....right?)

Get a fake one…..you'll never go back.

Do you have any idea how utterly ridiculous those questions are to God? Classic twenty first century American attitude. Not sure if your argument is with me or God? If the latter you’ll need to take your questions to God. Go for it! Here’s a hint though, I’d lower the hubris a tad. Just saying.

God is cool! I also don’t want him near government. But the inverse is also true…keep your godless government away from my ability to ‘access’ my God!

And he’s done that without either raising taxes or reducing spending? Interesting!

As I’m actually in the bracket, it’s personal to me! This tax cut for the rich bull is utter nonsense.

Trump cut the uppermost tax rate from 37.5% back down to 35%. The same rate it was when Obama entered office. Huge tax cut? Hardly!

Correct. You cannot tell me that over the course of a lifetime that they haven’t earned enough money to pay back a lousy student loan. Of course they have! Now…if they want to trade the debt for some other sort of service, I’m once again fine with that too. And before we go down the rabbit hole of ‘what if’s’ then I’m sure there could be some death or disability excuse, but I’m going to assume that’s be a tiny fraction of the population. (Nice tithe reference though…I see what you did there. 😉)

No, he has gifted Mankind the unique character of free will. You have to look at things with a godlike timeline. As an example: I was sitting on the beach yesterday, reading a book, and watching while two little sisters fought, cried, and made up over and over and over again in the span on an hour or two. Their mother pretty much just sat there. She knew they would always make up and go right back to playing. God's timeline is much like the mother's. Your (and my) meager existence on this planet is fleeting. A vapor in the wind. Here today and gone tomorrow.

Again....we agree more than we disagree, but my plan is simpler. Just pay off your own debts, over time. Student Loans are a unique sort of 'investment' because the entire premise is that you'll advance your lot in life through education. If that's not true then what is ANY of this about? Therefore, if you took out loans for a higher education degree and over the course of your lifetime have not saved enough money to pay them back then I put it to you that you're purposely CHOOSING not to.

So your version of God is someone that controls every move that everyone makes? I think you're confusing God for the people pulling Biden's strings at the White House. (kidding.....sort of)

That has to be one of the oddest things I’ve ever read on here. I have some idea of how old you are Chef. If you've truly lived by that principle you must be very much alone. You don’t judge the validity of God by the sinful nature of man. Much in the same way you don’t right off an entire group of people because one of them is a whack job. (There’s an entire Bible story where we’re taught that God won’t do the same to you/us.)

No, I caught the word, but I didn’t realize you meant literally inherited. So as I’m a person who inherited nothing, what would happen to me? And even though my daughter will, your proposal is that she doesn’t pay off her student loan until she’s in her senior years herself? Again, I’m in favor of pretty much anything EXCEPT loan forgiveness.

I know this is your area of expertise but it sounds like you’re suggesting that you pull the money out of your 401k to pay off the loan. You can’t do that now? Or is your proposal just that you be allowed to do it tax free? Please clarify.

I like your idea as well. In some way shape or form, the loan should be paid back. I’m perfectly fine if the government just wants to renegotiate the terms (either interest rate or term). But forgiving the loan clear out of the blue is simply a ridiculous….what’s the word…political stunt.

We had a house burn down in a california wildfire….it’s not fun. But, you learn to deal with it. With that said, I’ll echo your sentiments that everyone is OK. Possessions can be replaced.

Of course not. Feel free to punish away if it helps you sleep at night. Knock yourself out! All of that is just noise to an eternal God.

We agree there. But the loan was to purchase a degree, not to purchase knowledge. Now…the government can do whatever they want with the loan. My point is that there should be a trade. If you choose to not pay back the loan, the trade is that you cannot claim the degree (or knowledge…if that makes you feel better).

And now back to the thread. 😉

Yes, we’ve already established that’s what you think. I’m not going to convince you otherwise, but I’ll continue to hope that one day you’ll discover just how real God is.

What’s your word …dude! That’s not what I said, and I know that you know it. Under your hypothesis so long as bad stuff was done by people, therefore we must include that people are the problem.

If they didn’t fulfill the terms of the agreement they signed them they should reap the reward. If you don’t pay off your car loan, you don’t get to keep the car.

You asked when I was asked for proof of my degrees. No? The assumption is that you’re advocating for people to simply list a degree that they never earned. Did I misunderstand? Not sure where you’re going here.

And way way way more when ‘religion’ had nothing to do with it. (I’m fully aware you don’t believe that God exists. You have been given the free will to believe in God or not.)