SoCal Deek

No argument from me there. In general, European (especially in England) soccer stadiums ALWAYS cover ALL of the seats. I'm not sure if they ever considered that as a goal in Orchard Park.

Don't be so quick to jump on that bandwagon. Tottenham opened an entire year late. They had a fire alarm problem that caused the Tottenham Hotspurs to remain at across-town Wembley Stadium for an entire season longer than they had planned! In a word.....YIKES!

People seem quick to compare the new stadium to Los Angeles, Minneapolis, Indianapolis, and Dallas but you have to remember other recent stadiums like Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Meadowlands, New England and Cincinnati. All of those on the latter list are rather simple outdoor venues. The Bills never said they were trying to outpace all the other franchises. This seems to me like a happy medium between the showpiece stadiums we all know, and the more pedestrian, yet modern, stadiums that I listed above.

I’m guessing that our players simply can’t see the big yellow line. 😂

I’m not going to call you anything. 😉 I’m just here for the entertaining banter.

Ouch! 😳

Al Davis?

No worries. I take no offense, nor offer my opinion to boast. I’m just hoping to break through the internet chatter.

I recently retired as Managing Partner of one of the firms listed on the Top 100 design firms in the nation.

Not to get too technical, but yes, just about EVERYTHING you see in these renderings are what the actual stadium will look like. In the architectural profession we no longer do drawings. We build a a three dimensional model of the entire facility, right down to the nuts and bolts. Then we simply import that model into rendering software and spits out these images.

Let me try this again for those who haven't been paying attention. The 'renderings' we're seeing are not created by a dude with a paint brush! They are computer generated from the 3D Model of the actual stadium design. The only thing that's inserted with a bit of artist's license is the team on the field, the people in the stands, and the images on the scoreboard. The surrounding neighborhood is also not painted on. With today's technology, we can actually insert the architectural model directly into Google Earth and place the project in its actual context. In short...if they are indeed going to break ground in just a few weeks....THIS IS THE ACTUAL STADIUM DESIGN. Got it?

A little architectural firm trivia….the sports venue design industry took off when HOK Sport was first formed in Kansas City as a spin off from HOK architects, one of the largest architectural firms in the world. They really made their name with the design of Camden Yards ballpark in Baltimore. Prior to Camden Yards sports venue design had little fanfare or personality as was evidenced by the old multi-use stadiums in Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. Ever since HOK Sport made headlines, Kansas City has been the home to both HOK Sport and their primary competitors. So every time a new large commission would come in they’d ‘steal’ each other’s staffs to prepare the final drawings…which are a tremendous undertaking. HOK Sport then rebranded, losing the tie to the main HOK office and is now Populous, headquartered in Kansas City. There you have it!

That’s because I keep a low profile on here. Ya never know who’s surveilling a Buffalo Bills related Message Board. 😉

I think you’re missing the sentiment here. Yes, everyone has been thrilled with the recent success. But…there comes a time when even the most devoted fans say “been there, done that”. The drought ended over half a decade ago now. It’s time to get to the next level, and going into 2023 with nothing more than more of the same is a bit too little for many fans to look forward to. It’s not personal. The Team simply has to take another step forward.

You know the yellow line isn’t always accurate, right? 😉

Seems like a bit of a stretch to use that as your definition.

If he’s coming back for the new stadium, somebody better tell him the renderings indicate the sidelines are NOT under the roof overhang. 😂

I think they were trying to be respectful enough to allow him to field offers from other teams, without the stain of being fired on his resume. That clearly didn’t happen. All the other teams already have a date to next season’s dance. So now they came up with another way to put a positive spin on it. The Bills are clearly trying very hard to be a classy, ‘we’re a family’, franchise. I certainly appreciate that noble sentiment, but I’m praying it’s not getting in the way of the ultimate goal.

You certainly toss around a lot of words on here. Are Russians considered to be ‘enslaved’?

I’m not sure I know what that means, but it definitely made me chuckle. 😉

Yesterday I mentioned the yet to be revealed Concourse areas, and after looking at the renderings close up it’s clear that a good portion of them are indeed NOT enclosed (heated/cooled). If you look through the openings in the grandstand areas you can clearly see the exterior glass skin of the stadium itself. So…while they’ll surely be wider, they aren’t going to be truly out of the elements…which to me will be rather disappointing.

I’m not sure that’s totally true Hawk. I’m willing to bet that someone is looking at the bottom line, even over there.

I’ve mentioned this before on here. Everyone needs to watch the original Star Trek episode entitled “A Taste of Armageddon”. Yes, that series was purposefully made corny at times for mass consumption, but they were spot on in predicting so many of the future technologies and the issues of today.

What news source doesn’t ultimately need to make a profit? It doesn’t make them evil, it makes them normal. I’m not sure what people think profits are, but without them, you don’t have a business…period!

Thanks Gene. So if I understand correctly you just convinced a bunch (or a few) people to invest money in your company/idea prior to you actually producing a product…otherwise known in your industry as ‘funding’. Good luck with it. Be really careful listing the two countries on here. 😉