SoCal Deek

I’m really not sure where this thread was intended to go, but I still don’t see how Pegula is any different than the Owner of any other company. He makes decisions at the upper most level, and I’m guessing not all that much about football, but more about management personnel….which is different.

I’m far from a rabid traditionalist but the dress code in Congress needs a refresh.

You mean we could all make money doing what we’re doing for free? Go figure! Can we unionize?

Just tell the other person that they’re wrong. That’s how we talk to each other in an adult conversation.

Wait! I thought we believe all whistleblowers? Is that no longer a thing? I’m going to need a rule book!

I’m fine thanks, but I’m not the one on here calling other people POS and giving still others the finger. But maybe you have a different interpretation of ‘chill out’. I know language is fluid these days. 😉

Time to take a break Tibs.

Lots of expletives on here today . You okay?

Relax Tibs He simply has a different opinion about how we choose to defend freedom. That’s all.

With all due respect. You aren't thinking big enough here SUNY. The income gap that you cite is in large degree CAUSED by the progressive tax code. We keep pouring more gasoline on the fire. As I have said many times on here nobody cares about their gross pay. They only care about their net pay. So...when you vote to raise taxes on your boss, you know what he does? He raised his income to pay for the taxes. His gross pay goes up but his net pay stays the same....and on and on it goes. To convert to a flat tax everyone's gross pay would be adjusted. It would take your employer about 20 minutes to make this change on a desktop computer. My gross pay would go down, and your gross pay would go up, but our net take-home pay would remain unchanged. Then, with the Great Reset in place, and both of us paying the same tax rate next year (let's say 25%) we can see if we both vote to raise taxes. I'm guessing not.

BINGO! But it's always easier to complain about someone else's tax burden. It's yet another reason why I am a huge proponent of a flat tax. It gets away from all of this "what at about the other guy" nonsense. Once we are all paying an equal tithe to the government then we'll see who wants to raise taxes. And probably only then can we can have a conversation about the voluntary additional 'giving' that I mention above.

This is not a Republican issue SUNY. Every taxpayer, regardless of party affiliation pays the same tax rate. It's dependent on their income. As a taxpayer who pays that rate, I can assure you what I described is essentially true. You may not like it, but it is indeed true. Now, to make matters worse, when Trump lowered the rates he also eliminated the Local/State deduction, which in fact negated the entire tax cut that you're prattling on about.

Facts are nasty things....huh? LOL

And so let’s go over this again, for some of our posters who were either too young, or asleep, during the Great Recession. President Obama raised the tax rate on the top earners on the principle that the country needed their financial assistance during the recession. With the recession clearly over President Trump simply restored the rate to pre-recession levels…and then gave an additional tax break to EVERYONE else. Sheeessh!

I’m far less cynical. I’m being completely honest when I say we need a national conversation on this topic. As an example, we no longer have a military draft, and everyone just accepts that some young people are going to voluntarily sign up. Why not have that conversation around taxes? If you feel real strongly about funding a government program then volunteer to pay more into it! We had a Buffalo Bills player go down on the field last season and people immediately rushed to donate to causes he supported. Why is it that we all have to donate to every left wing social cause, even when those causes are most definitely NOT the role of the federal government?

This entire sad saga reminds me of “A Few Good Men”. Somebody needs to haul Christopher Wray in there and get him to say that he ordered the Code Red.

Thanks I say it every tax season. Are TurboTax and HR Block running running all of those advertisements so that people will pay MORE in taxes? They don’t even run ads that claim they’re going to help you be more accurate in your filing. Nope, every single advertisement is about getting you a bigger REFUND!

Correct. Virtually every American gets some sort of a tax break. That’s partly why so many get a refund. In essence they are given a break for something they did, paid for, or donated. But people don’t want to look at the breaks they themselves get. They only want to point figures at the ‘breaks’ that other people get. My point still remains. Why aren’t we having a national conversation about paying more than the minimum? For example, in California right now they’re debating the topic of reparations. But the Governor has explained that the State doesn’t have the money in the budget. So why not set up a special fund where so-inclined citizens can freely donate to this cause? Seems like it would be a nice thing…no?

You seem desperate to avoid the point. Donald Trump payed exactly what the law said he was supposed to pay. As did his ‘wealthy friends’ and as do almost every single American taxpayer. Trump didn’t write the tax code. Heck, he wasn’t even in government when you seem to be claiming thathe wasn’t paying the appropriate amount. So the question remains….if you support the seemingly forever expanding role of the federal government, why don’t you donate more than the prescribed minimum to the cause? Hmmm?

Believe me….you ain’t see nothing yet! And…Happy Birthday!

Thanks…but that doesn’t change what I said. The question is why don’t people give more than the minimum? If the government wants to get into the charity business, handing out money to people in need, then shouldn’t certain taxpayers want to give them more of their money to do so? It’s all a write off.

All of that is very nice Alf. Following the the facts LAUSD out in the Durham Report the burning question that Americans need to know will be what were these documents. Were they related to the FBI’s attempted coup? Were they ridiculously over classified nonsense about a now long past State dinner? It matters!

I’m not sure that’s the correct takeaway. I’m confident the Bills were allowing other teams to talk with Frazier. The question is did anyone call. I’m guessing not.

So in short, they hope to imprison a former President on a ‘process’ crime? Oh yeah….that’s gonna end well.

With all due respect, I think you missed the point of the response. Think about it. Why haven’t we gotten to the point where if you’re a big fan of a centralized Washington power base that supporters would willingly donate more than the minimum to it? Why isn’t it like any other private charity that people donate to. I believe it’s time to change the national conversation on taxation.