SoCal Deek

How big is that Skipper dude on the Lions? That’s one BIG human!

Not sure that I disagree. But as much as I dislike the phrase….”it is what it is” now and apparently for as long as Beane’s in control. I can’t imagine that McD (a defensive coach) is going to lobby him to change the approach.

Thanks! So it’s definitely not by accident then. And it’s your premise that it’s not going to change so long as Beane is in charge. And, just as important, you believe it isn’t McD who’s demanding this approach. I’d recommend you get used to it then. It’s hard to believe that Beane’s going anywhere as long as Josh Allen is a Buffalo Bill.

Thanks Kirby, but I’d describe your response as the WHAT not the WHY. As I’ve said many times here, I don’t necessarily agree with their strategy but if the Carolina tie is indeed true then it’s definitely not an act of omission. It’s clearly commission. See my response to Kirby

So Gunner, let me ask you then, WHY are the Bills choosing this strategy? Who’s behind it?

I’ve enjoyed the discussion but we’re going in circles. You win….Beane is an idiot. 😂

And at the same time the Chiefs have invested nothing at TE. So….

It’s interesting that you bring up Mahomes. I’d suggest that they’ve gone through a similar evolution. Tyreek Hill (like Diggs) is gone. Their coaches obviously felt Mahomes could drag a new WR room over the top, and by their successes it seems like he has. You have to admit, they’ve done it without a room full of superstars. In the longer perspective, the Bills have been chasing pass catching TEs. So much so that they felt they needed two. I opine that it goes back to the punishment that they endured from that position back to /Hernandez and now more recently with Kelce.

You’d clearly have gone a different route. I understand that. My point has been that I can see a method to Beane’s strategy. I’m not saying I agree with it. I believe he’s been trying to have a wide range of weapons for Josh. And he wants the sustainable salary structures of ‘some’ of those weapons being on rookie deals, others on long term extensions, and still others on short term contracts. I don’t envy his position. While the Bills wandered in the wilderness for many years looking for a QB, they’re now experiencing the challenge of what happens once you actually get one. I think Beane’s hoping that the kaleidoscope of talent he’s brought to the locker room will be papered over (or their collective tide risen) by playing with the now veteran MVP. It’s much different from a few years ago when he felt he needed Diggs to pull Allen along. Again….it’s a really tough job.

I’ve not said a single thing about the relative size of their contracts or its impact on the salary cap. I think everyone knows that each position brings its own ‘sliding scale’.

Ha! Hell must’ve frozen over. I cannot recall ONE SINGLE TIME where I’ve been accused of backing the Beane regime. Not once. 😉 (So this might just be our year after all. I don’t think stranger things have ever happened.)

With all due respect, I think you’re looking at this in a one metric vacuum. They have WR/TEs under contract. Beane obviously believes he’s building a receiving corps. All of guys I’ve listed were drafted AFTER Josh became the starter. Do other teams have more talent?…obviously! But it seems like the nit picking here is simply over drafting a guy this past spring. Beane chose to go get Palmer instead. I guess we’re all gonna find out together.

It isn’t. But you have to admit that the Bills have definitely NOT ignored offensive weapons in the Draft. Sure. We’d love to have more. Every team would. But it’s not been ignored.

The Bills are no longer in a drought. They’ve been the AFC Championship twice! They must be doing something right. It’s just unfortunate that they ended up in the same conference with a team that’s been to the championship game SEVEN years in a row. Nobody is a bigger critic of the McD era than me. But I don’t see anything having changed if they had another WR on the team. It still just comes down to players and coaches making the critical decisions/plays at crunch time.

Creating a story? No…I’m simply stating the fact that the Bills starting offensive weapons roster is in reality made up of players they drafted in high rounds, and many they’ve chosen to already or about to extend this coming year. Coleman was essentially a First. Kincaid was a First. Cook was yet another high pick. So was Knox…a Third if I recall. Shakir is/was the lone pleasant surprise. So I guess the squabble is over whether they should’ve taken a WR in the First this year? Okay…I guess. But Who’s going to play cornerback and guard the superstars on the OTHER teams?

All of that is true (and I’m generally a HUGE critic) but you really want to keep recycling these guys at the expense of other starting positions? And using your examples Beane has to wait until the crucial drop in the playoff game to find out every year. The Bills extended Shakir and Knox obviously thinking they’re good enough to keep. And there’s a gazillion page thread on extending Cook, on the premise that he’s also good enough to extend. Neither Coleman nor Kincaid are even out of their rookie deals! The Bills roster is chock full of drafted offensive weapons.

I agree. I’ve been to many of the current indoor NFL stadiums but there’s something about attending games there never seems quite ‘real’ to me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah….but can you still sing the fight song? 😉

He signed a football for me mid-year of his famous 1973 record setting season. The signature is pretty faded now, over 50 years later, but it’s still there if you look close.

I don’t know why this is so complicated for people. The current starting roster of offensive firepower includes Kincaid, Knox, Shakir, Coleman, Cook and Allen. That means they’ve acquired ALL but one WR via the draft! Only the WR2 position is via free agency. Of those listed above ALL of them were drafted AFTER they got Allen. You cannot compare it to other teams. Those teams have different rosters and different needs. I’m not sure what you’all want them to do? They just drafted Coleman last year for heaven’s sake! It doesn’t seem all that big of an egregious oversight to have ONE of the WR/TE/RB starting weapons come from free agency.

He's drafted two starting Tight Ends and a starting WR. I’m not sure I’d call that ignoring it.

We agree there….but the GM has to keep an eye on the entire starting 22. I’d put it to you that the two biggest mistakes in the Josh Allen era were on the defensive side: Von Miller, and Elam. Beane is still trying to fix both of them. It happens.

It doesn’t work that way. You have to look at the players they have on the roster. Not everyone is acquired via the draft.

Gunner, there are only so many first round draft picks you can take over the span of Josh’s still relatively short career. Believe me, I’m often the first one to be critical of McBeane’s strategy but just looking at the 22 starting positions (21 if you remove QB) on BOTH sides of the ball they simply have to spread it around. IMHO, the bigger problem was the total miss on Elam, not the lack of another WR. Now…they really have to hope that Coleman pans out.

I know what you’re trying to get at here, but when I see the list at the bottom of your post that means they’ve drafted a starting RB, 2 starting TEs, a starting OT, a starting OG, and a starting WR. Since QB is off the board, that list is pretty much their entire starting offense. No?