BigDingus

Um... that didn't happen. It actually would be newsworthy if he did "shine." Maybe you should scroll up a bit & read the thread.

Yes, he was both TD leader & turnover leader. He's actually still the turnover leader the past 7 years (by a pretty wide margin), and he has Mahomes beat by 3 TDs. I'm just saying his TD to turnover ratio was just pretty good, never great. Even with all his TDs, he had too many turnovers compared to the other guys.

I agree, though just wanted to point out that most outside of Buffalo don't consider Terrell Bernard to be a top tier LB. Just to put it in perspective, PFF gave him a 47.6 grade for 2024 (165th among LBs) and just for laughs, he's got a 79 overall rating in Madden 😆 I know, I know, we all hate PFF. I'm only bringing up that in a redraft, he likely wouldn't be valued as highly as we value him. Regarding everything else, I think wasting a 1st round pick on Kaiir Elam kinda sours things a bit. The Bills have a severe lack of elite talent & play makers, so consistently falling to change that with your 1st round picks reflects poorly on Beane regardless of late round hits.

His TD to turnover ratio was good, not great. Jalen Hurts: 145 total TDs to 45 turnovers - 3.22 to 1 ratio Aaron Rodgers: 508 total TDs to 162 turnovers - 3.14 to 1 ratio Patrick Mahomes: 263 total TDs to 88 turnovers - 2.99 to 1 ratio Lamar Jackson: 206 total TDs to 75 turnovers - 2.75 to 1 ratio Russell Wilson: 385 total TDs to 147 turnovers - 2.62 to 1 ratio Jared Goff: 241 total TDs to 95 turnovers - 2.54 to 1 ratio Joe Burrow: 154 total TDs to 61 turnovers - 2.52 to 1 ratio Brock Purdy: 74 total TDs to 32 turnovers - 2.31 to 1 ratio Dak Prescott: 245 total TDs to 111 turnovers - 2.21 ratio Josh Allen (prior to 2024): 219 total TDs to 102 turnovers - 2.14 ratio In other words, it was a "good" TD to TO ratio, but not amazing. After he stopped being a turnover machine, he improved his ratio to 2.40 TDs to 1 TO, which is better, but still worse than everyone I listed except for Purdy & Dak. We have to be honest, Josh did turn the ball over a ton.

He was a turnover machine. Up through the 2023 season, Allen had never gone 2 straight regular season games without an INT. And even with last season's remarkable turnaround, he's still way above everyone else in total turnovers since he's been in the league. Now I argue that's partially because very few players have been starting & healthy for as many games as him, and his TDs were much more important. However, even when including his TDs, his TD/turnover ratio was below others in that group. Thankfully, that's changed. It's what allowed him to win MVP over others who were also very deserving. I think it's important to give credit to Josh for his growth & not just act like the problems never existed. It's the same way I view the huge leap he took in 2020. A lot of people will say things like "anyone who paid attention KNEW Allen would be a star!" or "Allen was ALWAYS great, he just needed more help!" I think stuff like that downplays how hard Josh worked to get better. He was not a guaranteed star. He busted his ass to become one.

Damn right he is! All you guys who wanted to package him in all your imaginary trades - FOR SHAME!

But unlike years prior, they started off 2-0, so they have a tiny cushion. I do mostly agree though, Browning isn't going to put the team on his shoulders. I also see them losing a lot of 1 score games. Burrow could come back with 3 games left on the schedule. If they go .500 in the meantime, they could be 8-6, with 11 wins getting them into the playoffs (they would've made it with 10 wins last year had the Chiefs played their starters week 18). It's a tough schedule, but they've got some winnable games prior to week 16 (presumably when Burrow could return): Vikings Broncos Steelers x2 Jets Bears Patriots They will likely lose against the Bills, Ravens (x2), Lions & Packers, then Burrow can return to close out the season against the Dolphins, Cardinals & Browns.

Three months. Ouch. Fortunately for the Bengals, Browning has shown he's capable of winning games. No, he's not nearly as good as Burrow, but paired with their weapons, he can have success. 3 months is a long time, but that still leaves him open for a return in December.

He does look happy, but let's not read too much into that. People were saying the same thing about Amari Cooper last year 😄

Geez, Russ was 30/40 for 450 yards & 3 TDs up until that point... Wtf was he thinking?

And that's why you pay James Cook. I know everyone loves Groot, but he was making more money last year (pre-extension) than Cook is making now (post-extension). Does anyone think he contributes more to our success than Cook? They shouldn't. And just because Cook plays a "devalued" position, doesn't mean he's actually less valuable.

I don't know if Josh had worse, or if I had worse seeing Josh run to the sideline...

I'd easily give up Rousseau + 2 picks for Parsons. Given who this team has used 1st round picks on, I wouldn't miss those picks anyway. Rather take my chances with a guaranteed young superstar. You know, an asset of which we have very few of on this team. Name one superstar, elite talent on the Bills besides Josh. We have none. If you have a chance to get the next Von Miller, the next Bruce Smith, the next Reggie White, who cares if you give up 2 x 1st round picks? Right now, no picks involved at all, would you do these trades: 1) Ed Oliver & Groot for Parsons 2) Groot & Kincaid for Parsons 3) Coleman & Groot for Parsons 4) Hairston & Kincaid for Parsons 5) Elam & Edmunds for Parsons... oh wait. And yes, I know Coleman was just the top of the 2nd round, but he was the result of multiple trade backs out of the 1st round. I would take ALL of those for Parsons. That's what we've spent our 1st round picks on. Maybe Hairston or Kincaid become elite, but Parsons is already a top 2 or 3 player at his position, only 26 years old, gets constant pressure on the QB (sack or not) and commands a QB-level contract due to how good he is. We already have cap issues. We basically paid tens of millions of dollars to offload Stefon Diggs & save money in the future, yet we've still got the least cap space in the NFL & no elite talent to show for it. We paid Von Miller a boatload of money years ago when he was already 33 & got 9 good games out of him. Green Bay is already paying a big QB contract, is extremely young, has a great defense AND managed to swing Micah Parsons. I'm sure they won't be regretting anything if their team is as successful as they look like they're going to be. Remember when many on this board said we shouldn't try to trade for CMC because he needed a "real" every down back? Then he goes to the 49ers & lights it up. Pretty sure he would've been insane on this team. Even when Derek Henry was available people weren't that interested. We had Cook after all. But as much as I like Cook, he's no Derek Henry. At this point, if any superstar players becomes available, the Bills should try to get them. They need play makers that opponents have to gameplan specifically for. That's where I'm at at this point.

People actually wanted those jerseys? I must be getting old... those didn't look appealing at all to me.

Exactly. And let's not act like Bills fans haven't been guilty of doing stupid crap during these games. They were throwing snowballs at players, throwing dildos on the field (hilarious, but I have an 8 year old's sense of humor) & even threw a water bottle at Henry after the TD. STOP THROWING SH*T ON THE FIELD! Aside from that, don't put your hands on other players (unless it's the home team jumping int he crowd). Even if a player is bragging right in your face, that doesn't mean you can then shove him in the head. We talk crap to players all the time & expect them not to react. That doesn't mean you can physically push someone & expect the same. Imagine going to an away game with a friend, your team scores a TD, and you start cheering. Then out of nowhere, someone shove's your friend in the side of the head, then shoves your head. You're not a player, just a fan. You going to take that, or are you going to be pissed? I'd turn around & clock the guy, then probably get jumped by the whole section.