Mat68
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I would rather keep Tyrod than Mccarron. Buffalo already struck gold once by finding a starting qb in a career back up.
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2 minutes ago, RobH063 said:
I think you're 100% right! I seem to remember another QB that was selfish and arrogant and entitled that didn't embrace playing in Buffalo and instead played in Houston for a couple of years. Then fell in love with Buffalo once he got to Town. The guy I'm thinking of came from a Blue Collar background so Buffalo was a natural fit for his true personality. He wasn't the son of an Orthopedic surgeon father who was once a Nationally ranked Ice Skater and a Mother who is a former journalist who was once the Captain of the Princeton LaCrosse team. One young man knew what it meant to sweat and bleed and rub a little dirt on it and get back in the game. He now owns a Gold colored Sport Jacket. The other was born with a Silver spoon in his mouth. Great talent but not sure he would be a good fit in Buffalo. He may or may not one day also own a Gold colored Sport Jacket but either way, I doubt it would be from a career that was spent in Buffalo.
He seems like a young guy who was raised in a manor that could handle being a face of a multi Billion dollar company at 21. The blue collar working class mantra is overrated. He is going to be a leader of millionaires. Those who have issue with what he said just read the headlines and didn't read the articles. He is an intelligent thoughtful kid. He is the best thrower of the football in this class. I believe he has graduated from UCLA already. Which shows his work ethic to me. He adds 10 pounds to his lower body then you are in good to go.
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4 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:
I think Beane / McDermott's relationship with Gettleman makes just going up to the Giants pick the much cleaner scenario. We have plenty of value to give them on the draft value chart. If they wanted Barkley and they have good intel the Browns are taking Barkley #1 and getting their QB at #4, it's very likely the Giants can get their #2 RB with one of our picks and take all the extra draft stock. If they aren't targeting a player like Chubb (and they have 2 good DEs) or Fitzpatrick, then just getting the draft depth could be huge for them as they have a pretty expensive and shallow roster.
I think Denver gets Cousins. We either move up to 2 or 3 and one of the Jets or Cardinals moves up to 2 or 3. Browns take Barkley, because, Browns, then Rosen / Darnold / Mayfield go off in some order.
If the Giants don't go Qb and make a run with Eli, a trade with Buffalo for 21,22 and Glenn would make tons of sense. They need line help. Glenn LT and they can use 21 or 22 for OT or guard. With the other pick they can add a Rb like Guice or Michel. They fix their biggest needs in the first night of the draft. It makes alot of sense but again alot of time til May so many things can change.
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So early who knows what happens in May. Fa still will change alot of what happens. Same guy says Buffalo is high on Foles. So they trade for Foles and trade all the way up for Rosen too? I find that highly unlikely.
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Look to add the best Qb possible at the start of the league year to avoid paying Taylors option. Depending what happens will paint a better picture of how to attack the draft. Outside of a trade or signing Cousins I think the Bills would need to be aggressive early to get their Qb. I believe this is the best draft since 2004. Im not a draft a Qb because you need a Qb kind of fan. This class is the best in a long time Imo. Buffalo has the most picks in a long time and I feel the oppurtunity is there for the Bills to take advantage of it.
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10 hours ago, ILBillsfan said:
I just don't get people who continue to view qb as the cheap option if there is ever a position you spend big money on it's the QB position without your team is just mucking thru the seasons. I hear the biggest argument is they would rather spend the money on other positions, well sorry but without a QB your chances of playoffs go down hrmmm maybe there is a team who missed the playoffs for 17yrs because they brought in big FA other than a QB that was worth something.
Cousins would be a welcome addition to this team and they can fill other positions with the draft.
I see your point. Im with you. Sign Cousins or you best trade up to the top 5 for one of those Qbs.
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Idk who Buffalo will rate as there top Qb. This is one of most skilled crop of Qbs in a very long time. IMO its the best class since 2004. You cannot find a scout who will say that if Mayfield was 3 inches taller he would be hands down the best prospect. He is a good prospect but Rosen, Darnold, and Allen are just as good maybe more upside when projecting to the NFL. Buffalo needs to figure which one they want and find a way to get them. If that happens I think everyone would be on board regaurdless of opionion on the prospect. Rarely does a draft come along with this kind of crop and the draft picks to move to land one.
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43 minutes ago, KelsaysLunchbox said:
Ok. So who is the "best"? If they have, say Mayfield rated #1 what's the difference in their grade for the other 3? If they have all 4 with similar grades and are content that they one will 100% be there it's a good move.
I do agree, however if they have one that is graded head and shoulders above the rest...take em 1st. I just don't see there being a huge drop from 1-4.
Why risk it or at best looked inept. They pick a rb or db #1 and the 3rd Qb at 4 they look like they couldnt make up there mind and were scared to pick the wrong guy. Whoever, is rated higher and fits you future the best you draft them. Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Mayfiled, Jackson. Idc whoever you think in 10 years is the best qb you take them 1. Fitzpatrick, Chubb, or Barkley maybe all three are there at 4.
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6 minutes ago, KelsaysLunchbox said:
With the class of QBs this year Cleveland would be fools to take a QB #1. They can have the best player on their board and still get one of Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield or Allen. Unless they absolutely fall in love with one of the QBs or one is overall #1 in their board that's exactly what I believe they will do.
With the class of Qbs get the best one at 1. Other Qbs get picked at 2 and 3. They get the best Qb and best player.
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1 hour ago, Chuck Wagon said:
We get a potential shut down corner and a potential long time LT starter = B
Pats get a rotational D lineman and a backup TE = B-
Thought the same thing. 1 of their 4 picks was on our roster most of the year.
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Well 2nd place gives me pause. Before Mayfield's 2017 ,2016 Cody Kessler was the highest rated ever?
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Yes, I would go hard for Darnold or Rosen. Probably for Mayfiled or Allen too.
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Idk. He is not the play caller in Philly. He will be a hot name, but Its a question of how much has he affected the offense or is it mainly Pederson.
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Seems like Buffalo punted again. I would be upset if that is true. Even if they land Keenum I would still hope one of the first round picks go to Qb. Maybe Jackson could sit develop and use on a few packages.
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2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
That could be true, but you would think the Panthers were scouting QB as all players so he'd have some gouge.
Overall, fair point
You've got your drafts mixed. We took EJ in '13, after having passed on 8 QB taken in the first 4 rounds 2012 (including Luck, Tannehill, Cousins, Foles, and Wilson) and before passing on 7 QB taken in the first 4 rounds 2014 (including Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr, and Garappolo).
The other QB in 2013 were Geno Smith, Mike Glennon, and Matt Barkley so you can't say we missed someone better, we just decided for unfathomable reasons to "buy high" on a particularly poor crop.
I'm not sure.
When there's a guy that most people are "all in" on, like the Mannings or Luck or Bradford, he generally (barring injury) seems to work out.
After that, though, there seem to be asterisks and caveats and it's a matter of what flaws you decide to roll the dice with.
Their (Carolina) main needs were CB, WR, and OT. I am not surprised those were they main players picked and I would bet those where the main targets by Carolina as well. Carolina is not spending the same amount of time scouting the crop of Qbs that Buffalo was. Yes they are scouting them and ranking them but they are not digging deep to see which top Qb fits the Panthers. That would be a waste of assets and time because they where not drafting a Qb 1 with Cam winning the MVP 2 seasons prior and still in his prime.
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Dude has loads of talent. That is the guy I would want just have to keep him healthy. Put him on a professional athlete diet and workout schedule he can easily add 10 more pounds to with stand the NFL.
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1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:
Haven't read it yet, but guys that have been on my list include:
Brice Butler
DaQuan Jones
Justin Ellis
Anthony Hitchens
I like both of their fits in the D. Also, fills a couple needs.
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5 minutes ago, SoTier said:
This. Go high or stay at home is the best way to get a QB. The number of #1 picks who have been busts over the last 16 years number just 2: 2002 - David Carr and 2007 - Ja'Marcus Russell. All the others have been at least modest successes: Michael Vick, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Alex Smith, Matthew Stafford, Sam Bradford, Cam Newton, and Andrew Luck. Jameis Winston (2015) and Jared Goff (2016) appear likely to be at least modest successes, too.
I would add that being the consensus #1 pick in the entire draft regardless of position is important, too. I would only trade up to the #1 pick for that consensus #1 pick because that means he's the best prospect hands down. Of the successful #1 picks I listed, only Eli Manning and Alex Smith were not the best QBs in their draft class, and only Manning was a consensus #1 pick ... but he was in a generational QB draft class which will likely include 2 HOF QBs, and maybe 3.
There is no QB in the 2018 draft who is the consensus #1 pick. In fact, there's no consensus on who's even the best QB since all of them have significant flaws. It's not like 2011 or 2015 or 2016 where there were two outstanding QB prospects that were clearly superior to all the other prospects, regardless of position, but maybe not necessarily to each other. That makes 2018 the wrong year to trade up very far to get a QB. Giving up 1 draft pick to move up to grab a QB they really, really like might be an acceptable risk. Giving much more in this draft to move up for a first round QB is playing Russian roulette.
Comparable to other drafts this has higher rated Qbs. Seen multiple agencies have rated Rosen and Darnold higher than Wentz and Goeff when they came out. Im not saying it is a guarantee that both are going to be as successful but they have the higher potential than the fore mentioned. Allen had the best physical tools and arm in years, add in Mayfield and Jackson the level of ability in this class is very high. In lesser years and 4 of these guys would #1. There are more options does not mean no is worth it 1.
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The class in 2019 is not close to the this years in terms of top end talent and overall ability and potential. This year is the deepest class since 2004. Buffalo has 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders. If you have to move up to get a Qb Buffalo will never have the ability to do it more than now.
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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
That's really not a fair descriptive of the Bills last 18 years, though, is it?
In the last 18 years, we have NOT been banking on careful evaluation and good scouting to find us a QB we want to take a shot on in the early rounds of the draft on a regular basis. We have, in fact, used a total of 3 picks in the top 3 rounds of the draft over 18 years - ~ 1 QB every 6 years, 2 1st round, 1 3rd round. We did not consider either first round choice (Losman or Manuel) worthy of our original 1st round pick.
Even if you factor trades (eg Rob Johnson, Bledsoe) into the picture, that's still pretty egregious neglect of an unfilled position. In the same time period, we've used 21 picks in the first 3 rounds on DB. I grant you, we need more DB than QB, but the QB position has more impact on the team and is harder to find in FA.
This is why now it makes sense Mcdermott would punt on taking a Qb. Sure Mahomes or Watson very well could become generational talents, but Mcdermott didn't trust the scouting departments ability to identify talent at Qb. No way he can draft a Qb with a lame duck GM.
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Hey guys this is just the first part of the trade coming together. For the trade to happen Garopalo had to sign. Now later this week Washington will franchise tag Cousin and the three way trade is back on. Disregard the press conference in San Francisco with with Jimmy G and john Lynch that is simply fake news. We all know Beane is traveling the area with Garopalo pitching him hard on the outlet mall shopping his wife can do here.
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Possibly Jackson is there. Eveyone can hold on to Rodgers falling like Marino but the majority of guys picked where Buffalo is Weedon, Brady Quinn, an johny Manziel.-
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2 hours ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:
If Philly said “Foles for Shady shraight up” would you take it?
Yes. Foles has more years and Buffalo needs a Qb. Try to trade Taylor for a rb. But with all their Rbs no way they do that.
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I dont believe it. Incarcerated Bob or Dunkirk Don have not even reported or colaberate any of this.
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Vontae a Bill!!
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He would be best to get the most now before other players hit the market. He is free to to take visits and negotiate, most players cannot. He may wait if his value wasnt what he thought it was.