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I want to trade up for a Qb. I want an adequate Qb who is a better passer than Taylor at Qb. Im hoping that they are the backup or play at a level the rookie cant beat them out. Bradford has the highest probability of being the later and if in week 3 or 4 Bradford goes down the rookie comes in and never looks back. That is Ideal imo. I mean be aggressive go get him on opening day of Fa offer him a little more than Taylor and starting spot on the roster. The rook beats him out thats on him. Im not massively over paying and I think Bradford knows his injuries hurts his market.

As a Qb id prefer Bradford. His injury history is what it is. Also, the last few years when healthy he showed to be an above average Qb and healthy today is a better Qb than Taylor. I think that Bradford should be the target. Buffalo could sign Bradford and a starting DT for much less than the price tag for Cousin. Im for Buffalo using the Fa period to bring in guys to compete for spots at each of the weakness or holes on the roster. Use the Draft to get a Qb you think could become a Franchise Qb and spend the second and third round picks to find a starter or day 1 sub package starter on offense and defense. I think that is the best option Buffalo could go. Im not saying I wouldn't reach out to Cousins but if he wants 25 mil plus a year and a massive guarantee like I expect him to want I would move on to the next guy on my list. With Cousins being the hot commodity playing the averages and making a move for Bradford or which ever Qb they like first may be the smart move so you are not stuck with out a Qb when it all said and done. Id prefer Bridgewater but Imo he seems to be Zimmers guy. There was talk he would be the starter this year but Keenum went a run and didnt give Bridgewater a chance. I think the Op is using the logic that Minny keeps 2 and those two most likley are Keenum and Bridgewater.

Right but I am not advocating going Redskins and spending a bunch of money and high priced FA. I look at what they did last year to sure up the secondary with a little more to spend this year Im looking for a similar approach to Dline and Linebaker. I expect a DT to be the equivalent to Hyde. Maybe not a household name and not a top 5 contract for the position. The way last season was handled with an emphasis on the front 7 instead of the back 4 and possible deap threat WR ie john Brown or Paul Richardson. Going all in on Cousins is overpaying and paying a premium for a guy who more likely than not will not match the production that contract would carry. Imo signing Cousins Buffalo is going almost full rebuild by relying on a significant amount of rookies and first year players. Even by trading up they will still be in position in round 2 and 3 to go BPA and add possibly an athletic linebaker, deep threat wr, Olineman, or dlineman. For alot less money they could go with which ever Qb leaves the Vikings, i think Buffalo would go hard at Bradford. Other possibilities would Macarron, Bortles, Alex smith all to compete with the rookie. Or the nightmare to many keeping Taylor. Cousin is going eat up a large amount of cap space and I do not think going rookie to fill every hole is the answer. IMO go after mid-level FA and young players with potential in FA to fill up the holes and draft impact players.

Im on the other side. Who ever pays him highest guaranteed contract is the team he signs with. Sure with in a few mil he will go to the best team and fit. If Cleveland offers 100 mil guaranteed and a total of 125 or 130 hes a Brown.

It comes down to philosophy to me. By signing Cousins you are filling the biggest need of the franchise through FA. You are going to sign him to a premium contract. You are going to be paying him more than the Elite Qbs are making. By doing so every hole on the team DT, 3 LBs, CB, Oline and Wr are going to be filled by a rookie going into next year. You may be able to get an old vetran at 1 or 2 of those positions but going into the 2018 season you are looking at starting 6 to 7 rookies. I know building through the draft is important but to me that is too much. This past year shows that there needs to be good balance and good competition. By not signing Cousins you can pretty much sign a starter in FA at each group listed including QB. The biggest contract handed out imo should be DT that is second largest hole to Qb. With Buffalo abundance of draft picks I realisticly believe Buffalo can move up on draft day and pay a high price. The actual number of picks im not sure of but it will be significant. Still what ever trade will still leave the Bills with 6 or 7 picks this year. After getting the first franchise Qb potential Qb since Kelly they will still have the ability to add 2 or 3 day 1 contributors. By filling holes in Fa they will not be desperate to find 4 to 5 starters but 1 or 2 starters and 3 to 4 depth players. Building a balanced and disciplined football you need a good balance of veteran leadership and young athleticism. The best success is to fill as many holes as you can in Fa. Look to add 2 impact players in the draft and allow time to develop the rest of the picks.

No team works that way. With how inept Cleveland looks and is percieved it would look like they are scared to pick the wrong guy. Worst not good enough at their jobs to evaluate which QB will fit best in their system. Neither is a good perception for your first year. Its not a randsom. Its the reason you trade Darby and Watkins in traing camp. Get the ammunitions to get a Franchise Qb. You are not going to outbid anyone in FA and a good one isnt falling to 21. Use the cap space to sure up the defense and add speed at Wr. Get a Franchise Qb and 2 other day 1 contributors.

That makes 0 sense. If you are going to draft a qb @ 4 take the one you want at 1. Im a big PSU and Barkley fan, but QB is more important and harder to find. If Buffalo doest draft a Qb they best traded for Luck or signed Cousins.

Probably the richest Qb draft in some time. Buffalo has the most picks they have ever had. Move up get a top qb. Stil have a 2nd and 3rd to find two other positional starters. Buffalo cant keep punting on qbs. There are drafts when there are no clear first rd talents. This year there is 4. Buffalo needs to do what it takes to get one.

In terms of last year. You are not picking a Qb in the first with a lame duck GM.

Lawson was not worth his position where he was drafted, add in he had bad shoulder it is really a baffling selection. I think Beane would move him if a better pass rusher was brought in during Fa. He is a fine 1st down 2 down DE, I would expect him to be sub out and Lorax subed in on third downs. Whaley was a very good pro personal guy. I dont think he ever meshed with what his coaches wanted in terms of college athletes.

Had the worst half of Qb football ever. He throws a td in the snow now hes the future? The Jacksonville situation showed he has not learned from his mistakes. He threw the same ball late to the far side vs Sandiego and the result was the same. Taylor is most likley gone. A vetran and a rookie are coming in. First offseason with new scouting and pro personal. Peterman is going to force Buffalo to keep 3 qbs or he is gone.

Yes Peyton Manning threw picks so did many others. At no point did Manning look like he didnt belonged.

Has any all-pro Qb ever have such disastrous results in meaningful football to start their career? The great Qbs show themselves pretty quickly and clearly when they enter games. Nathan Peterman is going to battle for a roster spot this offseason that is the reality of the situation. There is a 0% chance Peterman is the opening day starter.

Marino and Farve are also the outliers. Neither passed for over 60% in college.

This is the talk out of both sides of you mouth time of year. They will not show there hand. QB is the a top priority so if they really want a Qb they will have to go get one. Allen, Rosen, Darnold are not going to fall to 21.

That one is on Obrien. He pulled the starter of halftime of the first game. Wataon should have been the starter. But really with Qbs you know what ya got from the first handful of games. Can you handle adversity? Win games you shouldnt? Move your team consistently. .

100% You are forced to pay them. Stafford, Tannehil, and Dalton are all examples as well. Buffalo is not forced to sign Cousins. Flacco had a great year when he won the Superbowl. He carried them into the Superbowl. Bortles has put up big numbers in the league. So i think they are comparable. They are in the next teir of Qbs. Cousins is not Brady, Brees, Rodgers. He is also not Wilson, Big Ben, Rivers and Ryan. Then the young guys like Wentz, Geoff, Prescott, and Watson have loads of potential. I put Cousins in with Dalton, Stafford, Flacco, Manning, and Tannehill. Do you want to pay Cousins as much or probably more than everyone I just said? I do not. 5 Years from now a Qb that was drafted here I think you have to sign him if he is in that range. I dont think Cousins is ever going to be in the conversation with Big Ben and Ryan.

Imo the NFL has a hard time paying a guy that isnt physically impressive or a "Winner". With Mario and Daures they were physical marvels for their size and quickness plus they had a few years of top production. Is Cousins in year 5 going to better than Cousins the last 3 years? Its the chicken or the egg. Yes the Eagles, Jaguars, and Vikings made the conference Championship game with middle QBs. Bortles is still on his rookie deal, For the eagles and Vikins you can add up all of there Qbs respectively and you are sill much less than the cap hit would be for Cousins. By not paying top flight money on QB they were able to build up their rosters to an elite level. Cousins could win a Superbowl on any of those teams but after a year or two they will end up like Baltimore. Flawed roster over priced Qb that fight to slip into the playoffs because they will not be able to bring in FA to sure up the roster. If you are Buffalo you do not have a top flight roster or a Qb so you are stuck in the middle. Draft a Qb get a middle backup and use the money in FA to sure up soft spots on the roster and draft a few guys that can develop into strengths. Because of the way his teams were imo after they got a lead they went conservative. The bowl game is a big example first quarter he had 150 yards 3 tds. After that he only passed on 3rd down for much of game and they ran out the clock. The struggles vs Iowa and Oregon are not that massive to me. He made some great throws his wr had 0 seperation and 0 yards after the catch. Idc who or what qb you are if your wrs cant get open and the line is not giving you much time you are not going to will your offense to win.

Prolific production in College isnt translatable to the NFL either. He didnt have a skill player on the roster this past year that will make it to the NFL. I like his potential that is the part that makes him go sooner is the QB he is today is not the Qb you expect him to be.

The Senior bowl and Combne are not going to really change his evaluations. Imo he has generation arm like Rodgers, Stafford, Marino, Farve. He is a major reason why Wyoming had its first back to back winning seasons in 30 years. Senior bowl and combine will be on interviews and his dedication to football. I think he will do as well as anyone. Big, strong arm Qb makes alot of sense for Cleveland and that division.

When Brady cant take advantage. Brady has been fantastic of taking the benfit of 50/50 penalty and turning them into 6. Many teams have gotten lucky penalties or bad calls the differance is Brady scores Tds when other teams get Fgs. You cannot play NE not to lose as well. All said and done up 3 55 secs left in first have why dont you try to get atleast a fg.

So you wanted Kizer and are a superior elevator. No one knows what Manziel would have become if he didn't have a drinking problem and wasnt a C level internet celebrity. Everyone has had misses and hits it is irrelevant. If you like or dislike a prospect explain your position and that is where conversations happen. Some people see and like different things in Qbs. Some people only see the guys who are on the first 15 mins of Sportscenter Saturday or Sunday morning. I agree I like Allen, saying you liked Kizer and didnt like Manziel doesnt do anything with the conversation about Allen. Do you like Allen because of his arm strength and size? Is that why you like Kizer and not Manziel? The reason i like Allen and his ability to make 30 yard throws and dropping them in a bucket or launching a missile of a throw in a three foot window down the seem like Rodgers, Farve or Marino.

Its an interesting discussion but at the end of the day Jordan never lost in the Finals. In his prime there was never a discussion if he was the best shooting guard in the league. He is talked about the best player ever. No one is saying Tom Brady is the best football player ever. There have been 2 more prolific Qbs during Bradys career. Manning and Brees both have better numbers across the board. Brady is probably closet to Jordan in any sport in terms of clutch. The overall body on record is not close.

He acted and starting performing like a nobody. If he was playing to the same level he was signed at this would be a non story. You can get away with all the other stuff if Sunday's for 3 hours you are one of the best players on the field. When you are not meeting your performance expectations the other things become a problem. He has steadily declined in performances for 2 years and his diva tactics wore bare.

That is why the time is now. There are actually 4 legit Qb prospects not a year where there is none. Buffalo will even be a friendly landing spot for a Qb.