Mat68

I promise you Seattle would trade 3 firsts for Russel Wilson. Comes down to who and what they want at Qb. Personally, if I like a guy I would do that. Buffalo still would have a 2nd and 3rd. They also would have draft a caliber Qb with the potential that they have never had in my life time.

You get a linebaker in rd 2 and a speed wr rd 3. The rest of the picks fill out the roster. QB is more important than any other hole.

With the amount of picks Buffalo can and will throw at NYG imo there is no way you stay at 2 unless you pick a Qb. IMO Buffalo will throw 3 first a second and third. You dont turn that down for a RB or DE. The only way they stay at 2 is if they want the Qb that is on the board. With Beane and Gettlemans connection I worry that they target the same guy. NYG could still get Davenport at 12 and Giese at 22 fill 2 needs and adding 2 more picks this year and a first next year they can use on Mannings replacement when fewer teams are in the market. Buffalo worries about perception and I dont believe they make NYG the 3 first offer until they know who will be there at 2. During the owners meeting I think they will have a strong Idea into what Cleveland will do and they will at that point make the offer to the Giants. That allows the Giants to set up their board and figure out who they are targeting, with their 2 first, second, and third rounders.

The draft is about value. A solid starting Qb is more valuable to a team than another position by a wide margin. If you redo the the 2016 draft Zeke doesnt go 1, 2,, or 3. The draft would go Wentz, Geoff, and Preskott. Brooks is wrong and is just trying to give the draftknicks a break because it is so hard to determine what QB will improve in the NFL and which ones cant. Its easy to watch Barkley run and see barring an injury he will be special. Watching Bradley Chubb dominating the LOS and wrecking havoc in the backfield that he will be good on the edge in the NFL. Determining out of Allen, Rosen, DArnold, Mayfield, and Jackson who will have the best career? Goodluck with that. But whatever team gets the best one will have the most success that is why they go high.

To be completely fair here, Wyoming was and has been a cellar dweller of the NCAA and mountain West. The first time in 30 years Wyoming made back to back bowl games was the 2 years Allen was the starting QB. Hes a polarizing prospect. Some believe he has fatal flaws that will never allow him to be a good QB in the NFL. Some people see a raw young to football prospect that with coaching and proper technique could become special. Personally, I am a risk taker. The ceiling of Allen would intrigue me. If I was a coach I would be cocky maybe arrogant enough in my own ability that I would be able to coach him to an ability to get all that potential out of him. You have to be naive notto believe that when NFL coaches and minds watch him throw they all believe they are 1 who could get him to meet his potential.

I get it. People in NFL see that kind of arm. If he goes top 5 that is why He has a high probabilty of busting. If he doesnt hes incredible. He is 50/50 great subpar. His ceiling is what I said. Because his probabilty of Busting i wont trade up for him, i do understand why a team would take a chance on him.

Marino and Farve in an arm talent and 3 years of college exp are the outliers why he is going top 10 5. You may not think he has a special arm. Again, jeff george would be a bust as well. So idk what made you so upset, but before his senior year Mario was sup 60% as well.

Hes going to be Jeff Goerge or Farve, Marino. Hes unique in the way that Joel Embid has not play basketball that long but can do things most guys cant. Allen wasnt an elite 11 recruite. He was playing baseball. Now that he is with Qb coach, same one as Darnold, he has improved his footwork in a way your mind wanders to what will he look like in 12 months with NFL coaching, training, and talent around him. If he has the fortitude and the drive he could be great. He could be ehhhh.. with that arm ehhhhhh is a 10 year career starting and back up.

I would like that. IMO he wants Darnold the one guy he has no link to. Allen may go 1. If Darnold is there Beane pays. Obviously, their is concern on Beanes part about who will be at 2. They have the capital, but Beane wont trade til he knows his guy will be there. He may contact cleveland about 4 and gain info at who they take at 1. If their guy is there they may complete it at the owners meeting. I think NYGs intrest in Darnold is hype. He wants to rebuild the giants like Beane rebuolds the Bills. If their is no trade Gettleman and Beane want the same guy. That happens Beane goes after Jackson and keeps 90% of their picks.

No Mack and Williams is imposing. 3rd down move Mario insiden and have hughes and mack off the edge. Gunner is a probably a cool smart guy. Whaley stays at 10 drafts Beckham or trades up for Mack he is still employed.

No. Move to 2 with 12, 22, 56, 65 2018 1st. The giants say No... Move to 7, 8 or 9 take Jackson and let him battle Mccarron. Keep 22 and get sideline to sideline baker. Maybe move up for the best mike in the draft. 22 and 56 for 15.

Whaley was better in every way. He couldnt find a franchise qb but made the roster 100% better. His down fall was inhertiting Ej 2014 sammy trade. ODB Jr was picked later and best wr in the draft. Him landry and allen robinson were all more prolific than sammy. That was a mistake or take Mack the best player in the draft and from their back yard.

Shows a good coach can do in the NFL. Made the playoffs and traded the best Wr on the roster, starting Cb, and former All Pro Dt. They were old and in cap trouble. Beane cleaned the slate and has a bunch of picks. Idk what you consider tanking but trading players that currently contribute for cap releif and future picks would fall under that umbrella. Looking at the way the draft is lining up, I am curious to see this organizations approach. I think to get any of Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield or Jackson Buffalo will need to trade up. Comes down to the difference of Jackson and who will be at 2. I do not think it will be massive. Not 3 first rders massive. I think Beane trades to 6,7,8 range get Jackson and keeps 22. If Peguala forces the issues for someone at 2 I think a Buffalo will pay a big price to move. The million dollar question is will NYG think a Qb is worth 3 first rders and a 2nd and 3rd. Thats what Buffalos 12th hr offer will be if they want to move. I think Buffalo will want Allen or Darnold and will pay to land them. Option 2 is Jackson for a third the price. Swap picks and 65.

Jackson wont make it to 22. If they want a qb they will need to trade. Who they want will determine where. 2,4,or somewhere in 6 to 9. If Buffalo waits for 1 to fall to them a team will Jump b/c everyone knows they are Qb desperate.

Rosen and Jackson. I think similar to Matt Ryan his size and durabliity will be questioned.

My best guess is 12,22,56,65 2019 1st rd pick. Maybe flip our 5th rder for their 4th. Imo 3 1s will be the price and thats an offer NYG cant say no to that. Its hefty and substantial. Beane is going to take his time deciding is there qb at 2 better than 1 at 4 or 6 plus considering the price moving to 2, 4, 6 plus. With the blantant disregard for the FA class they need to make splash and go get a Qb.

Either Buffalo released this info so if/when they dont make a trade to 2 they can say offers were made and you need a partner to trade. The other one is NYG are trying to encourage others to make offers to push up the price.

No to move about the same distance buffalo trade a tackle with feet problems.

If the Giants dont take that offer or counter something realistic they are taking a Qb.

These are the kind of signings Buffalo has made since Whaley became GM. This is nothing new or strange. They are not going to make any splash FA signing. They are going to fill as many holes before the draft like they do every year and how every good team operates. Beane takes a morning poo at 730 instead of 6 is a sign of a trade up now.

The imminent trade up because they signed 2 vetran lineman is a bit ridiculous. They traded a tackle and the starting center retired. Were they suppose to field a team of rookies?

So imngoing with they did. If you havrnt who cares if thats out there.

I dont think he is that good. If im Buffalo im leaving the draft with a Qb. Im taking 1 in the first. I have the picks to pay premium price. Where are the qbs likley drafted? 1,3,and 5 i would assume are Qbs. Who is my top qb. If he does not go 1 I can move to 2. Probably 12,22, 56, 65 and 2019 1st. Is 4 available? What is that price? Would you risk your #1 going in division? Who is my second Qb. How much less in the evaluation process is he from 1? Where does he go? 1,3,5 qbs. Is my number 2 making it through? Possible? Likley? Ok the third guy how big of a gap from him to 1? Whats the odds my 3 top qbs go 1,3,5? This year is unique. There are 5 guys not rated as first round talents. All very different in styles. I could see stark contrasts to different evaluators rankings in the league. The cost of moving up significantly goes down after denver. I think Buffalo can move up and retain 22. Two qbs will be there? It will take brass cajones to make that call but the cost will be much less. Is it darnold rosen mayfield? Allen and Jackon are still avaible. You see where im going. A number of combinations can play out. I think Buffalo plays it like FA. Dont pay an arm and a leg. Moves up gets the 3rd or 4th qb off the board and only gives up 56 and next year 3rd to do it.

12 is perfect. Maybe the Jets moved up for Rudolph?

The majority of his throws he had massive passing windows. Second half vs GA. They control rushef him and contained him in the pocket and it was a struggle. Thats what concerns me. I dont hate mayfield but i dont love him to trade top 5 for. 8 or 9? Sure. Keep 22 and get a QB is my new train of thought.