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If it does, then you must believe that men can have female genitalia

So if you have a middle school daughter, you’d be fine with her getting genital checks if she wanted to play sports?

So you think that someone who is born a woman, with female genitalia, should have to compete against men if they have a Y chromosome even if their testosterone and muscle mass is in line with typical females?

I’m arguing that it’s obviously not clear cut and the Y chromosome in women with some conditions doesn’t act the same way that it does in men and doesn’t necessarily provide a competitive advantage. If your concern is muscle mass, you can test for that. Same with testosterone. Why not test directly for the advantage you are concerned with?

Well, I suppose we should encourage Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, and other Silicon Valley types to use the power of their platforms to artificially amplify any complaints against anyone who beats an American woman athlete so they have to get tested. Would be a good way to intimidate our opponents. Should this be only for the Olympics or should we do it for other competitions as well?

Cool. So anytime somebody is unhappy that they lost, they can just accuse their opponent of being a man and if enough people online fall for it, they can force a genital check on their opponent?

What should be the threshold for mandating that women be subjected to medical and genital checks?

Considering she is from a conservative country where being LGBT is illegal, was raised as a girl from birth, has said it was tough to get support for training growing up because her father didn’t like the idea of women fighting, and the only evidence that something was different was the word of the head of a corrupt organization who has refused to provide any evidence to back his claim, I think it’s pretty reasonable to conclude that she has one. In fact, considering that even if the head of the IBA is telling the truth, it doesn’t preclude her from having one, I think it’s actually fairly unreasonable to assume she doesn’t.

From the study I had linked: ”Detailed evidence is presented here for the first time that genes for stature (and possibly other genes) on the Y chromosome are responsible for the increased frequency of 46,XY disorder of sex development (46,XY DSD) among elite female athletes identified by eligibility tests. In many cases, androgens are non-functional or, alternatively, absent and therefore tes- tosterone cannot be responsible for their athletic success. Genetic variation has a major role in the selection of individuals for training and success in competition; how- ever, this variation is not grounds for determining who should compete in athletic events. There is no convincing evidence to support the view that hyperandrogenism is associated with performance advantage in female athletes.” Suddenly they believe a man can have a *****. Maybe they’re just becoming progressive?

Does someone who is born a woman but has a Y chromosome due to DSD have a natural competitive advantage? Does the Y chromosome in that person function exactly the same as it does in people who were born male? Seems like that’s not necessarily the case: Natural Selection for Genetic Variants in Sport: The Role of Y Chromosome Genes in Elite Female Athletes with 46,XY DSD

To my knowledge, the IOC didn’t do a chromosomal test, so they couldn’t say either way. The claim that she has a Y chromosome is based entirely on what one guy at the IBA (which was stripped of its recognition by the IOC years ago due to corruption and other issues) said and he has not made the test results public. Maybe she has a rare DSD condition and actually does have a Y chromosome. Maybe she doesn’t and the IBA guy was just lying. But she was born a woman. In fact, she had trouble training when she was younger because her dad didn’t think women should be fighters.

IOC saddened by 'aggression' against boxers over gender row “"These two athletes were the victims of a sudden and arbitrary decision by the IBA," the IOC said in a statement. "Towards the end of the IBA World Championships in 2023, they were suddenly disqualified without any due process. "According to the IBA minutes available on their website, this decision was initially taken solely by the IBA Secretary General and CEO." Some sports have limited the levels of testosterone allowed for athletes competing in women's competition, while others ban everyone who has been through male puberty. Differences of Sexual Development (DSD) are a group of rare conditions involving genes, hormones and reproductive organs. Some people with DSDs are raised as female but have XY sex chromosomes and blood testosterone levels in the male range.”

And we know Imane is a male… how? Do we have proof she has a dick? Testicles? Beyond being told?

Well, the fun thing about the recent controversy is that no transgender female was involved. Didn’t stop the “we care about women’s sports” crowd from crapping all over a woman in an ironically stupid attempt at a defense of women, though.

Using culture war issues to evoke an emotional reaction in people so that they will vote to transfer more wealth and power from the average American to the donor class. Same as it ever was.

So Trump dipped his toes into talking to media that’s not under his thumb and it went so badly that he’s chickening out of the debate and saying he’ll only do a debate if it’s moderated by sycophants? Sounds about right.

I don’t speak for a side. I speak for me. And the fact that the people who so smugly pretend to care about women and women’s sports have spent days trashing a woman because they can’t read past a headline just underscores their ignorance and gullibility. BTW: the evidence that she even has a Y chromosome is almost entirely based on one guy’s claim who has never backed it up by making the test results public.

Almost certainly. I would wager that a significant number of Americans believe she is trans. My parents are in town visiting and they brought this up, shocked that the IOC would allow a transgender person fight women. You just ask a couple of questions and it’s clear that people don’t actually look into things; they read the headline and base their opinion on it.

It is validating to watch the “what is a woman” crowd attack a woman who was born a woman, who struggled to train because her dad didn’t think women should box, and whose opponent believed she is a woman, all in the name of protecting women. Maybe, just maybe, it isn’t about actually protecting women.

Imane Khelif gender eligibility test, explained: Why IOC doesn't recognize 'sudden and arbitrary' disqualification from IBA World Championship “IBA president Umar Kremlev said Khelif was "proven" to have XY chromosomes, which sparked outrage throughout the sports world and beyond. XY chromosomes indicate that an individual is male. However, certain conditions can allow a woman to present XY chromosomes. It remains unconfirmed which condition Khelif might have, if any at all. However, the IBA has an ongoing dispute with the International Olympic Committee (IOC). The organization is banned from the Olympics, and some believe Kremlev is less than trustworthy due to the dispute with the IOC. There is no indication Khelif is transgender. That would raise entirely different ethics concerns about her Olympic eligibility, but she has never identified as anything other than a woman, and there is no indication that she identifies as intersex, either. “

Thanks, did not realize that.

Shocking number from Rasmussen

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