ChiGoose

Ok, so I literally just laid out why this is wrong and also not what the Left is saying but you went with a straw man anyway because it makes you feel good or whatever. At this point, I can’t tell if the Trumpists here are just acting in bad faith or have serious reading comprehension problems.

It’s the establishment narrative because it’s the truth. You are taking small bits of facts (Biden got the prosecutor fired and Hunter worked for Burisma) and connecting them with falsehoods. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact-check-joe-biden-leveraged-ukraine-aid-oust-corrupt-prosecutor/5991434002/ Ukraine had a ton of corruption but their prosecutor wasn’t doing much about it. The Obama administration and our European Allie’s wanted Shokin gone so that someone could come in and actually prosecute corruption. At that time, Hunter was not under investigation so removing the prosecutor would have no impact on him. If anything, it would increase the chances he would be investigated. Hunter seems like a real piece of crap, and if he broke the law he should pay for it, but this narrative about the Ukrainian prosecutor has no basis in reality.

You do know that the whole Biden - Ukraine thing is false, right? The prosecutor in question was pro-corruption, was not investigating Hunter, and removing him was not just US policy, but supported by our European allies.

MAGA chuds succeed in threatening an entire elections office until everyone quits.

What crimes have Biden and Hillary been proven to have committed?

Aside from the two (of four) Carter Page FISA warrants that we’re found to lack predication, what other proof is there of corruption of the FBI?

Or maybe stealing government documents is still a crime even if they aren’t classified.

No it wasn’t. The 2016 election was not stolen. Trump won it

1. Money and/or bragging. 2. Trump’s team originally refused to cooperate with the DoJ and then when they finally did, they lied about what they provided. At that point, anything other than a search of the estate would leave a lot of questions about what was still out there.

Ok, so I think it’s important to take this with a large amount of skepticism, but if this is true, Trump should spend the rest of his days in jail. Newsweek is claiming that some of the documents at Mar a Lago included the payroll for some of our spies: https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-trump-raid-documents-could-reveal-intel-sources-us-payroll-1733230 I have a hard time believing this is true because it would be incredibly stupid. But if it his, Trump’s even dumber than I thought.

Honestly, I could get behind that.

There’s as much evidence that 2020 was stolen as the earth is flat or that video Hannity is complaining about is not edited or that birds aren’t real.

Cool. So all of the tweets about the 2020 election being stolen should be deleted by Twitter?

So now we have to trust Twitter with the authority to police speech and determine what is true or false?

No, I just understand that many (most?) FBI investigations do not end in charges. That the threshold for a search is lower than that for an indictment, which is lower than that for a conviction. I also understand that if you personally keep government documents unlawfully, that you should expect to have to deal with the FBI. And if you lie to them about returning all of them, you shouldn’t be surprised when you get a knock at the door.

It’s because the GOP only cares about the culture war, which boils down to: is there a slice of air between your mouth and Trump’s ass? If so, you’re out of line and it’s time to go.

No, I just understand the difference between an investigation and a prosecution.

Woke liberal MSM news pundit calling for Twitter censorship, claiming FAKE NEWS: https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/1558512052553109505?s=21&t=xgVSrVhsVOtkYvlESIzAvg

Defend himself from what? He hasn’t been charged with anything.

The FBI wanting to see video of a location where government documents are improperly stored equals corruption? That is so incredibly stupid.

Not only did one of Trump’s lawyers sign a statement to the DoJ falsely stating that they turned everything over, but surveillance videos show people taking boxes in and out of the locker after they had been in contact with the DoJ https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/13/us/politics/trump-classified-material-fbi.html

Nationwide broadband would be such a tremendous economic boon to rural America (while potentially harming urban America) but the GOP doesn’t give two sh!ts about rural people so they would never go for something that would create economic activity on par with (or greater than) the highway system.

The real difference is that, in general, blue states care more about their people while red states are only concerned if the people in power “get theirs” It’s why life expectancy and health outcomes are generally better in blue states. And in some red states, the income tax is low but the tax burden is higher because of other consumption taxes. The main goal is that the rich and donor classes get to have as much as possible and screw everybody else. Ok, so I pay more in income tax than other people might. But I get a lot in return for it, so I don’t see any reason why I’d want to move somewhere like Florida or Texas.

I agree that like Hillary, he should be investigated. And if charges are warranted, they should be filed. At this stage, the big question is why he had the documents. That will likely play a large role into whether or not he will be charged.

Because emails are digital and paper documents are physical? The FBI had Clinton’s physical server, what other physical evidence of digital files would they expect to find at her house? Unless she was in the habit of printing out her emails to read and the FBI knew of this, there really isn’t anything you would expect to find of a search of a home for emails when you already had the server. It’s really hard to understand why that would warrant a search but someone taking physical documents, refusing to hand them over, then handing over some and lying by saying they handed over them all, would not.