ChiGoose
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Just now, BillsFanNC said:
Just trying to explain reality.
Facts don’t care about your feelings.
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2 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:
We now have a trend with dem candidates in nationally charged elections.
1. Hide in the basement and campaign very little.
2. Run against popular opponents that have huge engagement and who draw massive campaign event crowds.
3. Warn before election day that counting ballots is going to take days to weeks.
4. Win.
5. Have the idiocracy convinced that this is all normal.
Hobbs did run a pretty bad campaign but it seems her strategy was to just let Lake do all of the talking because she’s a nutjob who just hurts herself anytime she opens her mouth.
If you are talking politics on a sports forum, you are far, far, more tuned in than ~90% of voters. I’d suggest you look into how the normies felt about things before going with terminal-very-online-brain theories.
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9 minutes ago, wnyguy said:
All I know is what I see. Voting machines "malfunctioning", people being told to leave their voting locations and sent elsewhere, ballots being counted in the dark, improper validation of ballots being counted, it's 2020 all over again.
Where have voting machines malfunctioned? (Just know that if you say Maricopa County, you’re wrong. That was a false story that has been debunked).
Every election has some issues. Here in Chicago, there was an issue with sharpies bleeding through the ballot. My wife had to redo her ballot because of this. Inconvenient, but it wasn’t some grand strategy to affect the outcome of the vote.
What is truly happening here is that we are having a fairly normal election but some races are razor close so they aren’t being called until more votes are counted. But even in states where the races have been called, they are still counting. It’s just that the margin was so big they could call the races before all of the vote was in. In Illinois, they could call the governor’s race within minutes because it was clearly a blowout.
The real problem is that there are a lot of people who don’t understand how it all works who are being mislead by bad faith actors to believe that a fairly normal process is actually something suspicious.
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4 minutes ago, wnyguy said:
Surprise, surprise. Looks like the delay to count all those votes worked. again. What a country.
That’s not how this works. It’s not how any of this works.
The absolute dearth of civics education on this board is staggering.
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5 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:
Cry, cry, cry. I hope you weren't one of the embarrassing Bills fans who said the Miami loss wasn't fair because it was so hot.
Shhhh… you can’t let your facts get in the way of their feelings. It’ll make them very upset! -
57 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:
Shocking!
Not.
Outrage??
Lol.
Those were just mistakes! Move on.
Oh no! The FBI infiltrated terrorist organizations! How dare they!-
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11 minutes ago, Brueggs said:
Counting mail ins would be a start, but it also seems that the mail ins are the root of the problem. I understand it can be a necessity for some, but it’s being promoted in many states. There is also the problem of people not voting because of long lines, so I don't have an answer of how to fix the problems. I would like to think that after the last presidential election, that the experts would have bent over backwards to do better. I expect a degree of ineptness when it comes to government, but this is something that deserves attention, and for some reason, they ignored it. They can't really be that stupid, so I see corruption guised as ineptness.
Some states tried to make changes before this election. Given their expected importance in this election, PA tried to pass a law to allow for counting of mail in ballots before Election Day but it failed to pass.
Election officials are not all powerful, they have to follow the law. So even if they wanted to process the PA ballots when they came in, they were barred from doing so by law.
Mail in ballots have never been considered a problem before 2020. Many states have traditionally used mail in ballots. I think Oregon is basically entirely mail in. And they don’t experience widespread fraud.
In fact, many GOP campaign experts were angry at Trump for taking aim at mail in ballots because they considered them crucial for their success. If I recall correctly, the Florida GOP traditionally used mail in ballots extensively because it allowed them to bank votes early and reallocate the extra election resources to GOTV for Election Day.
If I could wave a magic wand and “fix” the laws so that mail in ballots could be counted earlier, and there were paper copies of every ballot, and every election had at least a risk-limiting audit, if not a full recount before certification, I would.
But even then, all of the ballots still wouldn’t be counted on Election Day and extremely close races would still take days to resolve. And the lies and misinformation would continue.
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21 minutes ago, Brueggs said:
Perhaps, but even at 30% its a cause for concern. Knowing this sentiment is out there, and still conducting in a way that feeds that perception doesn't do anything to help clean it up.
It is a cause for concern but the problem is education.29% of Americans are either unsure if we landed on the moon or believe that we didn’t.
28% of Americans are either unsure if vaccinations implant microchips or believe that they do.
25% of Americans are either unsure if the Earth is billions of years old or believe that it isn’t.
19% of Americans are either unsure if the Earth is flat or believe that it is.
(Source)
Is the problem that we aren’t transparent enough about the moon landing?-
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3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:
Hahahaha. Just got back from Arizona - signs all over the place with Kari Lake and Trump pics next to each other saying TRUMP ENDORSED.
I guess the Trump-Lake ticket ain't happening after all.
One of the things I’ve learned taking to campaign people is that campaign staff on big elections hate yard signs because they are a waste of money.
They can benefit for name recognition in down ballot races, but are not worth the investment in top races.
Yet many people still base their expectations on elections on the prevalence of yard signs for a particular candidate. Which is even worse of a predictor due to our geographic polarization.
In any case, now Lake and Trump are both free to run together since they don’t have to worry about doing the responsibilities of elected officials right now.
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2 minutes ago, B-Man said:
In Completely Unforeseeable Twist, January 6th 'Conspiracy Theory' Turns Out to Be TrueWhat’s the current timeframe these days of “conspiracy theories” becoming fact? Whatever it is, it sure seems to be accelerating. Heck, I’m old enough to remember when sharing the COVID-19 lab leak theory would get you banned from social media. Now even the “experts” have admitted that’s the most probable origin explanation.
It’s not just the pandemic, though. For years, conservatives proposed, after piecing together much evidence, that the FBI was somehow involved in the unrest that took place on January 6th, 2022. Yet, those calls for answers and accountability were met with condemnation. “How dare you question the impeccable reputation of the FBI,” they asserted while absconding from any critical thinking.
You can probably guess where I’m going with this. Despite well over a year of deflections and denials, it is now confirmed that no less than eight FBI agents were embedded in the Proud Boys organization during the period surrounding January 6th.
This stuff is hilarious.The FBI had an asset with some of the terrorists that did 9/11. Does that mean the FBI “was involved” with 9/11?
I’m having trouble keeping up with the latest explanation for January 6th. If I have it right, it was a peaceful protest of pro-Trump antifa who attacked the Capitol because the FBI told them to do so. Is that right?
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10 minutes ago, B-Man said:
“Making generalized snide replies is fun, you guys”- people who respond within one minute without reading the entire editorial
How fortunate for the board that goose’s simplistic posts are easily forgotten.
No state has counted every vote on Election Day in modern history. It hasn’t happened.
Getting rid of early voting won’t change that.
How unfortunate that B-Man’s misinfo posts are wildly believed on this site.
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2 minutes ago, Doc said:
Or like Russians hacking the election. Stupidity abounds.
Correct. The Russians did not hack the 2016 elections.
I think we can see what happens when party leaders push back on the crazies vs when they embrace them.
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1 minute ago, B-Man said:
WHEN ELECTION DAY LASTS FOR A MONTH
FTA:
Murdock quotes the passage in U.S. election law that says: “The Tuesday next after the 1st Monday in November, in every even numbered year, is established as the day for the election, in each of the States and Territories of the United States, of Representatives and Delegates to the Congress,” then asks “what part of that federal statute is unclear?”
Americans are casting ballots before candidates have debated; while they know nothing about the health of the candidates they’re voting for; before they realize candidates are going to hide in their basements rather than campaign; before candidates drop out; before events that would change their votes occur
(Google searches for “can i change my vote” peaked at 5 a.m. last Tuesday);
before the public learns about the debauched and possible criminal behavior of a candidate’s son – and then the ballots are counted for days and weeks after the election, providing more time and access for those determined to change the outcome.
No election will ever be perfect. Fallible humans make errors. But ours would be much cleaner it we abandoned early voting and restricted mail-in voting to only “the sick, infirm, and those who will be – Imagine! – absent on Election Day,” as Murdock suggests.
Don’t fall for the lie that this is suppression, or that it’s a “threat to our democracy,” or any of the objections that Democrats and their media lackeys will manufacture so that they won’t lose their party advantage. End the corruption before the corruption ends our republic.
— Written by the I&I Editorial Board
https://issuesinsights.com/2022/11/14/when-election-day-lasts-for-a-month/
“Allowing more people to vote is really bad, you guys.”-People who don’t understand how voting works.
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8 minutes ago, Brueggs said:
That makes no sense.
Why not remove the probability of any skepticism? Transparency of the process. Is that really too much to ask for? Its not a difficult or unreasonable request. The ignorant population saw this coming long before it happened....something ignorant people don't generally do. It was the usual plausible deniability built in advance, in the very places it was needed most. Quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, but hey...trust the process. There is no reason for these games when everything is on the up and up.
You really have no skepticism? I think you may be grossly underestimating the insatiable appetite that the elite have for power, and what they are willing to do for it.
There are poll watchers and election judges overseeing the counts. You can be one if you want, I did it and it was fun!They are giving regular updates as they count the ballots. These are what are being called “drops”.
All of the states are still counting. No elections have been decided yet. But some of the races were not very close so the media was able to project the winners based on the returns at hand. Others were much closer, so they needed more returns in before making a projection or call. A small number are razor close, so we have to wait until more votes are counted before the media outlets will call those election.
In all three instances, races “called” on Election Day, those called shortly after, and those that have not been called, are all still being counted.
In many of these states, the authorities will perform audits and recounts to verify the elections before certification.
Sure, there are changes we can make to improve the process but it’s fairly robust and transparent as it is. Counting mail-in ballots ahead of Election Day would be a nice improvement, but other than that, I’m not sure what improvement to the process itself would prevent these concerns.
What I see here is not a lack of transparency (if that’s the issue, what would you suggest as a solution?), but people who are ignorant of what is happening being taken advantage of by bad faith actors. And I don’t mean ignorant as a pejorative, people don’t tend to have the time or interest to learn these things. Some of them are falling for misleading information or outright lies (like the Maricopa County tabulation machines being broken).
I’m not sure any change to the election process itself could fix that. It’s a much deeper problem.
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Now this clearly cannot be correct. I was assured that the reason the counts were dragging out was because the Dems were cheating…
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1 hour ago, Brueggs said:
Transparency would be a great start. With all of the speculation after the last presidential election, you would think that everything would be above board as to not even give the slightest appearance of impropriety. Obviously you believe our elections are "free and fair", but half of the population does not. That, in and of itself is a problem everyone should be concerned with.
In that case, the problem isn’t with the elections themselves, but with an ignorant population easily moved by hucksters and bad faith actors.So how do you combat stupid?
I ask honestly because I don’t know if there is a real solution.
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When the whip count for Speaker is going well…
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2 minutes ago, T master said:
Well the highest inflation ever around the world was caused by what happened here first with the increase in spending & gas prices going higher than they have been in quite some time it's a snowball effect !
And the corporate profits had to go up because of the inflation it's all relative if something costs more due to inflation those companies raise the prices to make up for the increase in production costs to still make a profit so it's really not a huge profit it's about the same because of the high inflation .
1. Are you saying that the rise in global inflation was caused by the USA’s COVID recovery package?2. If corporations raised prices to meet the increased cost of production, the profit would stay them same. If it cost $1 to make a $10 widget, they pocket $9. If it now costs $2 to make it, and they raise the price by the same $1 increase to $11, they still make $9. But what we are seeing is they actually raise the price by more than the cost, up to $12 or $13, so they can now net $10 or more. Record profits are because they are raising the price by more than their increased costs.
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11 minutes ago, BillStime said:
👆 rock bottom
“Why do gays support the Dems?”ask people who support the GOP as they make unending homophobic and transphobic posts-
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1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said:
Yup.
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31 minutes ago, Tiberius said:
It's not Washington, it's Georgia
And I sure hope you are Trump's defense attorney!
Nah, they are able to string multiple sentences together without embarrassing themselves so they are way overqualified to be among Trump’s current attorneys.-
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4 minutes ago, B-Man said:
Hard to believe we’re almost a week out from the election and they STILL haven’t called the House.
Interesting how quickly they call things for Democrats but if it’s likely the Republicans will win it just goes on and on and on and on.
They called the Senate two days ago.
Buuuuuut not the House.
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We really do need better civics lessons in this country if this is how people understand what is happening.
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16 minutes ago, B-Man said:
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2 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:
It's all normal!
It should surprise nobody with two brain cells to rub together that this represents a gross misunderstanding of how elections work.
No state has ever counted all of its ballots on election night.
QuoteThese are the facts. No state, in the history of the United States, has counted all of its ballots on "Election Night." In fact, our Constitution and state laws have always recognized that it takes days or weeks to count all of the ballots.
State laws allow for weeks to officially certify election results, as we check and double-check the counts. This is as it should be. We have never truly "known" who won an election on election night. We only think we know, based on large margins, exit polls, and ballots counted to that point. But we only truly know who won when official results are certified — weeks later.
Yes, some states count faster than others and I think most people here would prefer that states counted mail in ballots before Election Day.
But the biggest reason the media has called some races and not others is because some races just weren’t close.
Unfortunately, instead of recognizing this, people are up in arms for the wrong reasons because they are either acting in bad faith or just ignorant.
We need better civics lessons in this country because the ignorance is staggering.
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Election Week Malfunctions, Anomalies etc...
in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
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You have a serious case of Very Online Brain. I suggest you log off for a bit and go touch some snow.