ChiGoose

In this scenario, what is happening? Someone is stacking a bunch of ballots in a truck somewhere and then they get to the clerk's office how? They just pull the truck up and hand deliver them? At which point the clerk is going to... verify the ballots to ensure they are legitimate?

I'm sorry, what is the nefarious scenario that you are worried about if someone mails their ballot in by election day but USPS neglects to postmark it?

How fast is the mail by you? If you drop an envelope in the mail, it arrives the next day? Do you think that maybe there's a reason they will accept with a postmark for four days but without one for only three?

How is counting ballots that were almost certainly mailed on or before election day a problem?

According to the law and court ruling, the clerk may accept ballots that are postmarked up to four days after Election Day and ballots without a postmark up to three days after Election Day. According to the court: "“If a voter properly and timely casts their vote by mailing their ballot before or on the day of the election, and through a post office omission the ballot is not postmarked, it would go against public policy to discount that properly cast vote,” the justices wrote in their order. “Rejecting timely mail ballots because of postal service omissions cuts against the strong public interest in exercising the right to vote,” the justices said. “Notably, the RNC presented no evidence or allegations that counting mail ballots without postmarks under [state law] would be subject to voter fraud, or that the election security measures currently in place are inadequate to address its concerns regarding these ballots.” (source) The logic here is that if a ballot arrives within three days after Election Day, it was almost certainly mailed before Election Day given the speed of the mail. If the Post Office neglected to postmark it, that is not the fault of the voter. Additionally, once a ballot is received by the clerk, it still undergoes verification before being counted.

The real racists are the people who don’t like racist jokes! -MAGA, apparently

Is that thread where the ABC whistleblower is hiding?

MSG was such a great show for Trump. His supporters should definitely share videos of it to their friends and on their social media. That comedian was hilarious. Everyone should see his bit from a podium with Trump’s name on it.

Not sure how fast the mail is where you are but if I dropped a card to be sent to my neighbor in the mailbox down the block, it’s probably going to take at least three days. Remember that mail in ballots are still verified before they are counted. This is just acknowledging the reality that if mail arrives, it was probably sent at least three days prior.

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So I want to be very clear, there’s a difference between counting all of the ballots (which has never been done on Election Day) and counting enough ballots for the media to be able to call the presidential election on Election Day. I’d be curious as to what percentage of ballots are outstanding after Election Day as well as what their cutoff is for ballots postmarked by Election Day.

Even in 2020 where we had higher than normal vote by mail due to the pandemic and we had states with outdated laws for counting vote by mail, it took fewer than 4 days for the media to call the election. Not sure where you're getting 10-14 days from. I agree that long counting times feed anxieties and conspiracies, which is why I think states should adopt laws similar to the first two columns my original post for quicker counting.

The election has never been officially decided by election night, it's just rarely been so close that the media isn't able to make projections (which they can do incorrectly like they did in 2000 when Florida was called for Gore by some outlets before they had to walk it back). We are incredibly polarized now and elections are closer, being decided by tens of thousands of voters across a couple of states. It's not surprising that this, combined with some of those states (*cough* Pennsylvania and Wisconsin *cough*) not updating their laws to allow for quicker counting.

Thanks for catching that. I've updated with the states I missed

A lot of people have (justifiably) expressed frustration at how long it takes for some states to count their ballots, especially with the rise in voting by mail. While there have been people proposing eliminating mail-in voting or early voting, the real solution is simple: update state laws to allow for faster counting. This is what Florida did after the disaster in 2000 and why it is now regarded as one of the best at counting ballots quickly. We also have several states that conduct all of their voting by mail without issue. To understand what we can expect for which states will take longer, I have bucketed the states based on when they process mail-in ballots (verification, prepping for counting, etc) and when they are actually counted. States that process and count before Election Day will be able to release results quickly, while those that have later timelines may take days if the race is close. (source) Process and Count before Election Day Process before Election Day; Count at start of Election Day Process before Election Day; Count at end of Election Day Process and Count at start of Election Day Process start of Election Day; Count at end of Election Day Up to local officials Process before Election Day; Count not specified Arizona Arkansas Alaska Pennsylvania Alabama Connecticut Ohio Colorado* California* D.C. South Carolina Mississippi Oregon* Delaware Georgia Idaho West Virginia New Hampshire Oklahoma Florida Indiana Illinois Wisconsin South Dakota Hawaii Iowa Maine Kansas Kentucky Massachusetts Montana Louisiana Minnesota Nebraska Maryland Missouri Nevada* Michigan New Mexico New Jersey Tennessee New York Utah* Texas North Carolina North Dakota Rhode Island Vermont Virginia Washington* Wyoming *State does all votes by mail Projected 2024 swing state

Even the guy who oversaw a massive Medicare fraud scheme thinks the MSG rally was a bit much

Looks like the Trump campaign is clutching its pearls

I’d never heard of this Tony Hinchcliffe guy before but based on his speech, I have to assume he’s a Dem plant intent on helping out the Harris campaign…

So you must agree with every claim about Trump, right? Who needs evidence when feels are all you require?

When I saw the claim that ABC had given questions to Harris before the debate, I thought it could be possible. It wouldn’t be the first time there were some shenanigans around debates. So I looked at the claims, I checked out the affidavit. I saw some comment about Disney Media Networks being defunct, so I looked into that and confirmed that it was disbanded years ago. At that point, I thought it was pretty clear that this was a hoax. So you have no evidence other than conjecture and your tacit acknowledgment that she performed well. Which is why you’re moving the goalposts away from the whistleblower story. But honestly, what question at the debate was not predictable? Where was the “gotcha” she needed to be prepared for that any campaign adviser wouldn’t have been able to predict and prepare for?

That sound you hear is Big Blitz moving the goal posts at the speed of light because he got caught falling for an obvious lie.

White Dude Pretending to Be Black Insurrectionist. Weird. Local Rochester weirdo pretends to be a black guy, thousands of gullible MAGA fall for it. "Last month, the account posted what Black Insurrectionist claimed was an affidavit from an ABC News employee, alleging Harris was given questions in advance of the network’s debate with Trump — which ABC News vigorously disputed. Trump approved, though, declaring, “I love the person.” More recently, Black Insurrectionist posted a baseless claim alleging inappropriate behavior between Walz and a student decades ago, a falsehood that U.S. intelligence officials said sprang from a Russian disinformation campaign." *** "The Black Insurrectionist account is linked directly to Jason G. Palmer, who has his own questionable backstory, starting with the fact that he isn’t Black, according to an Associated Press review of public records, open source data and interviews with a half-dozen people who interacted closely with Palmer over the past two decades. The records and personal accounts offer a portrait of an individual who has repeatedly been accused of defrauding business partners and lenders, has struggled with drug addiction and whose home was raided by the FBI over a decade ago. He also owes more than $6.7 million dollars in back taxes to the state of New York. “He’s far from African American,” said Kathleen Albano, who said her deceased husband was involved in a failed business venture with Palmer." *** " The suggestion that Palmer was involved with an account that spread falsehoods about the upcoming election was not a surprise to those who have had business and personal dealings with Palmer over the past two decades. “He owes me a ton of money,” said Albano, whose late husband had a business relationship with Palmer. “He has a way of roping people in. I always had his number. I knew exactly who he was. But unfortunately my husband got caught up in a lot of those dealings.” Albano said Palmer purchased a Webster, New York, home from her and her husband but failed to make payments. She said Palmer talked her husband into a investment venture to recoup the money, which also ended poorly. “None of it materialized ever,” Albano said." *** "In the mid-2000s, Palmer embarked on a real estate venture, buying up commercial properties in downtown Rochester. It ended with a string of lawsuits from creditors and former business partners, seeking tens of millions of dollars in unpaid loans and assets. Palmer blamed his troubles with the venture, in part, on an opioid addiction he had at the time. Some former business partners alleged Palmer tried to seize control of buildings using documents with their signatures forged, according to court records. In a 2020 case in Oneida County, New York, a forensic specialist conducted a detailed analysis of a document signing over an apartment complex to a company in which Palmer held a stake. The specialist concluded that “the evidence indicates that the signatures and the notary seal” were produced “by way of cut and paste or digital manipulation.” *** "Maureen Bass, a bankruptcy attorney in Rochester, said she wasn’t surprised by Palmer’s connection to an X account spreading conspiracy theories. Bass represented Wells Fargo in a commercial foreclosure case against Palmer and recalled that he once sent her old firm a lengthy email “manifesto” that accused local government officials of conspiring against him. “It was rambling. He had been a victim of the ‘Axis of Evil.’ Politicians had done things to him, and had taken his assets,” Bass said. “So this doesn’t surprise me.”"