OldTimeAFLGuy

....at some point, we need to have a top flight TE on this roster.......it's been years and the opposition has torched us with the position...

...at least they have a VERY long list to choose from, right??............

...pretty sad commentary.....with all of the problems we face today and in the future, we're obsessed with going azz backward to undo history....

...Duke Williams turns out to be surprise of camp as he resurrects his career with NFL big chance.............

...are they using FieldTurf?....seems to be the predominating brand... installation is underway..... https://www.buffalobills.com/photos/new-turf-installation-5158913#0a134c07-b689-48ef-8573-e56c2d153b81

....with the Chargers?...........

...agree...just hope it is in jest as was my comment...kid certainly worked his tail off to succeed, but he has not yet realized success..sure as hell hope he does in some fashion....dream hater is NOT my style...apologize if you thought so...chase your dream lad....

...just stop with your crusade....

..but but we did get you to opine.......

...hopefully most of these comments were in jest (know mine were).....as a 5th, the kid was/is chasing his life long dream as an NFL QB.....was proficient with rubber bullets in OTA's/pre-season but froze big time with live ammo....can he overcome it?...who knows?.....do I hope so?...yup, why not in some NFL QB capacity...good luck son....hating on a kid chasing his dream is ignorant period....

...agree....and it certainly seems like McBeane recognized those deficiencies, starting with FA and I'm sure he will continue in the draft.....to leave his hopeful franchise QB would be a major indictment.....Josh needs to be the long term franchise QB versus the short term exit on a gurney for putting too much of this club solely on his shoulders IMO...as I said, gimme something remotely close to Mahomes' "2nd year/sophomore slump".....

...as always, mucho thanks for your assessment bud...

...appreciate the insight and response bud.....here's a list of shorter NFL QB's as is the Murray kid...interesting... The NFL’s Best Short Quarterbacks of All Time By Dan Pompei The list of great short quarterbacks is, well, a short one. I defined “short” as 6-0 or shorter. I did not include quarterbacks o played before the 1960s because the game has changed so much since then. There were many great short quarterbacks pre-1960, including hall of famers Dutch Clark, Paddy Driscoll, Benny Friedman, Arnie Herber, Sid Luckman and Ace Parker. With that being said, here are my best short quarterbacks in the Super Bowl era. Who would you add to the list? 1. Fran Tarkenton, 6-0. This hall of famer was voted to nine Pro Bowls, played in three Super Bowls and is a former MVP. When he retired, he had every significant passing record. He won 124 games, which is tied for fifth most in NFL history even though he played the bulk of his career when the season was shorter than it is today. With his mobility, “The Mad Scrambler” probably would have fit in well in today’s game. 2. Sonny Jurgensen, 5-11. This great former Eagle and Redskin won three passing titles on his way to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, including one at the age of 40. Some thought he was the best passer of his era. 3. Drew Brees, 6-0. A six-time Pro Bowler, an offensive player of the year, a Super Bowl MVP and a comeback player of the year, Brees will likely be a first ballot hall of famer when he hangs up his cleats. His lack of height in the era of massive lineman means he needs to have a great idea of where the receivers and defensive backs are, even with obscured vision. 4. Russell Wilson, 5-11. The Seahawks signal caller has helped change the idea of what it means to be a quarterback in the NFL. He’s good from the pocket but his best strength comes from his elusiveness and making throws on the run. He was named to the Pro Bowl in four of his six seasons and led Seattle to one of the most lopsided Super Bowl victories when the Seahawks topped the Broncos 43-8 in Super Bowl XLVIII (48). 5. Len Dawson, 6-0. The MVP of Super Bowl IV and a hall of famer, Dawson was known for his accuracy and poise. He struggled early in his career with the Steelers and Browns before his career took off with the Dallas Texans, and then the Chiefs. 6. Joe Theismann, 6-0. He was NFL MVP in 1983, made it to two Pro Bowls and helped Joe Gibbs win a Super Bowl. He went 77-47 as a starter. Theismann was an athletic quarterback who could avoid pressure, but he wasn’t athletic enough to avoid Lawrence Taylor on the play that ended his career. (I’m not linking the play because everyone who has seen it has it permanently scarred in their memory.) 7. Michael Vick, 6-0. We think of Michael Vick as many things, but rarely do we think of him as a short quarterback. But he is. Vick gets away with being short because he is the greatest running quarterback ever. He has been invited to four Pro Bowls and won the NFL comeback player of the year award in 2010. 8. Eddie LeBaron, 5-7. The Little General is in the Redskins ring of fame and made it to four Pro Bowls. The Redskins listed him at 5-9, but LaBaron has fessed up to being 5-7. He was unprotected by the Redskins in the expansion draft in 1960, and the Cowboys claimed him, making him their first ever quarterback. The veteran of the Korean War never had a winning season, and he threw 37 more interceptions than touchdowns in his career. 9. Billy Kilmer, 6-0. He backed up both Jurgesen and Theisman at different points, but started 124 games himself and made it to the Pro Bowl in 1972. He is in the Redskins ring of honor. 10. Doug Flutie, 5-10. Flutie was a great college player, a great Canadian player, but an uneven NFL player. He had his moments over 12 NFL seasons for four teams (five if you count the Patriots twice), winning comeback player of the year and making the Pro Bowl in 1998, and winning 70 percent of his starts for the Bills over three years. His record as an NFL starter was 37-28, but he was 0-2 in the postseason. Flutie had exceptional movement skills, and ran for 1,634 yards in his career.

...need to depend on your usual expertise GB as I don't get to see college ball...is the Murray kid overhyped because of OU and the Mahones accomplishments?.....if not, what other reasons have him rated so high?.....

.....not sure work ethic and maturity in the collegiate ranks automatically translates to the NFL level in some cases....once the contract is inked and the wallet is loaded, things seem to change.....

....this dude is shrewd......gotta love it...check?...call?...all in?.........

...just a speculative, generic hunch.....but see McBeane trading down into the later teens+ to gain an additional 2nd...and then packaging up multiple lower picks to perhaps move into 3rd or 4th (something like that)...

...even simpler terms IMO.....need to invent the "Head 'N Heart Meter"...physical measurables and tape are a small part....once a lad is drafted and signed, is it "cashed and now coast"?...OR...does one's love for the game predominate, driving him to excel at the pro level despite a loaded wallet?.....unknowing health issues surfacing can also have a significant effect...may partially explain why a can't miss prospect ends up a bust.....invent THAT meter and you'd be an overnight billionaire IMO....

...WORSE.....JeffsMagic.......

...better get your tickets NOW.......

...wishing them carpal tunnel.................

....the ref.........easy..........

...is that Maxine???............

...we need a modern day version of "Mel vs Tobin-1994" to liven things up.....................