[The defense sucked....again]

4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Frazier is an old stubborn fool who regardless of the opponent or situation  will always go to his tired old rush 4 philosophy. It didn't work in Houston. It didn't work with 13 seconds and it didn't work yesterday. With as horrible as Josh played,  30 points in the NFL should be enough. But McD & Leslie are joined at the hip. 

 

They did blitz yesterday. Put our back-up DBs in man coverage. It didn't work out real well as I'm sure you could already figure.

[The defense sucked....again]

10 hours ago, BillsFan692 said:

Someone please explain to me why a QB s sneak (a play allen has already said he doss not like) is the best option for play call on 1st down from your own half yard line?

 

Seems scary AF to me. Someone explain it to me like I am a 2 year old plz

It's the quickest hitting play with the least amount of chance to allow a defender to shoot a gap for a TFL and the ball is only exchanged once.

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12 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

3rd year in a tow allowing a 70 yard plus run I believe.  All season the ru. D has been super soft.  No adjustment by Frazier or McD.  

 

What's the adjustment that should be made to stop that run yesterday?

12 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

poor fundamentals all over the secondary.  On Jefferson’s TD over Jackson, Jackson had his back to the ball the whole time

When you are out of phase this is what is taught - play the receivers hands not the ball.

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13 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

The 80 yard touchdown run was inexcusable. You can’t give up that type of play on the ground with a lead. If the opponent is going to run, at least make them use up some clock. The defense is quite depleted, but we constantly give up big runs. It reminded me of the long run Taylor had for the Colts when we got crushed at home last season. Being dominated by the run and giving up long runs has been a theme, regardless of who’s on the field. That’s a scheme/coaching issue imo. 

It's been a tackling issue. Scheme hasn't been the problem.

3 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said:

 

 

I would start by maybe blitzing an immobile QB to force more passes into severely inexperienced DB's who struggle to cover. That would be a pretty easy start. But Frazier will die on the "I dont blitz" hill for some reason. 

 

 

So you want to put our 6th round, 7th round, and undrafted back-up DBs in 1 on 1 man coverage?

 

EDIT: We tried this and got burned on it multiple times, btw.

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13 hours ago, ALLinALLEN said:

The D has been decimated with injuries but I'm still so confused as to the plan and the play of the guys up front.

 

Oliver, Miller, Epenesa, Phillips, Lawson, Settle, and Boogie and NOBODY can get pressure enough to make plays or force throws? And Leslie and sean (the D whisperer) dont have the brains to maybe adjust the scheme or plan when 6 defensive back/lb's are out? It's mind blowing no adjustments have been made there.

 

Will probably throw a 1st round pick there again next year thinking that'll solve it...

 

What is the scheme adjustment to be made in this situation? We're starting back-ups in over half of our defense - it is what it is. Keep everything in front of you and don't allow the big play.

13 hours ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

most of the threads here seem to be about Allen and his horrid play of late (and I'll be the first to say that he has been really bad), but is the defense getting yet ANOTHER free pass today?

 

The Vikes had their highest yardage output of the season today and converted countless 3rd & 4th and long plays.  I frankly don't even remember the last time Minnesota punted.    Did anyone honestly think that the D would force a punt in OT?  

 

Up 27-10 late in the third quarter, the Vikes gash the Bills for an 81-yard TD (let me guess, Sean - bad run fit, and you'll get that fixed!), score a TD on their next drive, and then march 75 yards, only to get stopped on 4th and goal from the 1.  In OT, they fairly easily drove downfield for the GW FG.

 

Is this the mark of a good defense?

 

Missed tackle.

[Anybody see replay of Dion's holding penalty]

18 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Such a huge play and call. 1:43 left and Diggsy makes an amazing catch. Instantly put us at NYJ49. Was it an egregious flag by Land Shark? If that flag isn't thrown, Josh does get hurt.  Anyone see it on tape or all22?

If it was truly called on Dawkins it was a bad call. The DE Dawkins was blocking tripped over someone else's foot and fell which made it look worse than what it was. However, Q held for sure on the same play so it's a wash.

[are receivers open question - with crappy film snaps]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Thanks!

 

So on that play, def. confirms that Allen had multiple open options that were better choices.

 

See anything to refute the notion that Allen had open options on some of the other plays discussed in this thread?

 

The genesis of this is a thought/claim in other threads laying responsibility at Dorsey for poor scheming which is not getting receivers open.  My take is that there are usually (on all but 1-2 plays I've looked at) receivers who appear open to me but Josh is passing them up in favor of deeper shots.  Secondary conclusion is that claims the #3 or slot receiver and Knox are "ineffective" would be evaluated "not proven", since they often appear to be open but not getting any Loooooooooovvvvvve.

Guys are definitely open - Allen is pushing the ball downfield. I think that Steelers game was the worst thing that could have happened to him. He pushed the ball multiple times when he had better options underneath, but the Steelers were so bad we hit on them anyway. That success makes him think he can do it every time.

[are receivers open question - with crappy film snaps]

39 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Yeah, Shakir is so open he has time to dial up Jimmy Johns, accept delivery, and take two bites before he catches it.  I'm not sure it gets us 15-20 yds, but it's 2nd and 17; getting 10 yds and making 3rd down more manageable would help.  I'm not sure Josh has a passing lane to him by the time he finishes his route though?

 

The pick itself, unless we see a tip on the all-22, seems pretty clearly a miscommunication.  Either Davis didn't run the route Josh expected or one of them read the coverage differently.  Film:

 

 

I think they confused him. Jets showed a double A gap pressure with Cover 1 pre-snap alignment and post-snap rolled Cover 2 and dropped the backers. Allens eyes looked Gabe the whole way. Think he thought he was gonna have a 1-on-1. The unfortunate part is they had a Smash concept to that side which is a Cover 2 beater. If Sauce carries he throws the out to Cook. What REALLY sucks is he had Dawson 1-on-1 with a backer in the middle of the field...

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1 hour ago, cage said:

I'm not sure why they didn't try 3 DTs when the Jets were backed up on their own 4 in the last quarter.  They should have been expecting heavy run and not trusting Wilson.  Settle+Jones+Phillips+Lawson may been a better shot at shutting them down deep in their own territory

 

That play wasn't a personnel issue. It wasn't even a fit issue. It was a missed tackle issue.

[This season it really is just Allen and Diggs]

32 minutes ago, Robert Paulson said:

This is Dorsey's chance to show he can counter punch because for the last 6 qtrs. he has been found out. 

 

good defenses or not- if our team is so great we should be scoring on everyone (yes, josh has been off but runs some plays to make it easy for him)

This past game there were easy outlets. Josh didn't take them. Instead he pushed the ball downfield. Josh has been the issue the last 6 quarters.

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2 hours ago, cwater10 said:

I think his point is that where as most teams have a "front 7", we don't.  We have a front 6 which at times like yesterday turns out to be a bad match up.  

 

Interesting to me that we hear endlessly from the offensive players and staff how they put such value in being "multiple", with infinite variations and personnel combinations.  Why is that not of value to the defense?

We do have a front 7 - It's our defensive line, two linebackers, and our nickel. Guys, the box is determined by the call and the offensive formation!!! It doesn't matter what personnel you trot out there. If they give you true empty you're going to have a 5 man box regardless of personnel. Likewise if they give you an Ace set with two tight ends you'll get a 7 man box with potential to add more from the Safeties based on coverage. PERSONNEL GROUPINGS ARE NOT FORMATIONS!

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10 hours ago, brianthomas said:

Ah so you think our coaching staff is great at making adjustments then & theres nothing to improve? Well i admire your perception of things.

To me correlation is not causation.  We have countless examples discussed in these forums from the past couple seasons where we're not switching things up.  We have glaring examples from just the past couple games... today even. If u cant see that then i dont know what to tell you either lol.

 

The saving grace is we have a superstar QB & playmakers who can usually make enough plays to get a win, on both sides of the ball. But when defenses shut down Josh & u dont adjust thats an issue. If you're playing a 2nd year JETS QB coming off a meltdown vs the Pats, who isnt very threatening as a passer, perhaps you shouldnt be playing nickel all day, especially on critical drives when theyve ran 8 times in a row & you're having trouble stopping it. That seems like a good time to change it up just a little no?

 

Statistically our defense is great. But if you had 1 play where you needed your defense to step up & make a stop, would you pick ours as that defense? Last year obviously that was a no. Von Miller changed that equation a bit. Not today tho.... we just couldnt stop the run & didnt seem overly concerned about adjusting to do so either.

 

I'll say it for the 100th time - Nickel personnel wasn't the issue on the final drive. Taron Johnson being in the game instead of another linebacker did not make a difference. The lapses came from mostly front 7 players on the defensive line. I can not make this any more clear.

[This season it really is just Allen and Diggs]

45 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I do think that there is an obvious question to be asked of why this offense looks so out of sorts.  
 

Lots of the same pieces on offense as the team that finished the season last year on fire. 
 

Then again, this is a yearly issue around this time of year.  

Sure, but I was genuinely curious as to why the poster landed on Dorsey being the issue.

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5 minutes ago, brianthomas said:

I understand our philosophy & its successful when executed well. I'm more concerned about the lack of in-game adjustments.

We're slow to adjust game in/game out & its a bit of a headscratcher, and on both sides of the ball.

I'd think that the best coaches constantly adapt to the changing environment, not only to the plays themselves on the field but to the players as well.

Much has been said about Sean McVay & his halftime adjustments.

Our coaches are constantly panned as being some of the best too.

They deserve a lot of credit, but a lot of criticism as well.

Its time to see some of that top tier coaching & not just rely on Josh pulling the W out of his arse every week. Dude cant do it alone

Buffalos defense has allowed an average of 10.1 points in the 1st half of games which ranks 12th in the league. They’ve allowed an average of 3.9 in the second half which ranks 1st in the league. If that’s not being able to make adjustments then I don’t know what else to tell you.

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5 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

The long drive that started at the 4 where I think they ran all but 1 play, what's the purpose of nickel there?

 

 

Go to the Edmunds thread where I broke every one of those big plays down. The majority of the issues were missed tackles/fits by box players at the line of scrimmage. Taron Johnson wasn’t the problem.

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8 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

I've legit never heard of the defensive philosophy that says if they are running on you with big personnel packages, the answer is to have more DBs on the field.  

 

Sounds like a great idea.  Guess we should start playing dime near the goal line.

They didn’t though. They sat in 11 personnel the majority of the game.

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9 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Disagree completely.  Extra DBs will never be a substitution for filling gaps and holes, which is what Lineman and LBs are trained to do at the point of attack.  That's just a plain and simple fact.  If you're getting ran on play after play and you refuse to bring in an extra lineman or backer, you're going to have a long day.

 

And the formations and personnel packages the Jets had in the game today, especially in the second half, they screamed run and late in the game they ran the ball almost exclusively with no adjustment by Frazier on Defense.

 

We were playing Zach Wilson, not Patrick Mahomes.

By design our Nickels more often than not are force players. They are covered by a 3 and 5 technique so that they are not interior gap fitters. In other words they are protected. It’s no different than a Safety force coming down from 10 yards. Their job is to turn everything back inside to the big bodies. Safeties are C gap fitters in the run all the time. We just walk ours up instead of playing it from depth.

 

At the end of the day offensive run blocking schemes are designed to force DBs to make tackles. That has and always will be the case.

[This season it really is just Allen and Diggs]

3 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

Dorsey is a problem.  

Why do you say this? Explain.

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4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Having an extra LB in there rather than a smaller DB can make all the difference in the world when it comes to run defense.

 

Tell me why you would be playing a defensive scheme (nickel), which is designed to stop the pass, when the opposing offense has committed to running the ball and is pushing you down the field and the opposing QB is Zach Wilson?  Is Frazier really that scared of him?

 

He's talking about the corners and safeties, not the Nickel, which is why I am asking why he believes the front 7 personnel dictates more or less run responsibility for those guys.

 

As far as our scheme - it's not "designed to stop the pass" - it's designed to put better athletes on the field. Our issue in the run game hasn't been with our Nickel getting mauled. Our issue has been our DL not commanding double teams the past two weeks or not even attempting to get hands on OL so that they can't free release to second level defenders. The notion that adding a single LB that weighs 20lbs. more but moves slower will solve the problems in the run game is absurd. I think people hear 4-3 personnel and assume that it's a "formation" like an offensive formation. That's not how defense works. Alignments are based on the call and what formation the offense comes out in.

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2 minutes ago, Turf Toejam 34 said:

As a matter of semantics, I am not opposed to the scheme.     I was just pointing out that the scheme put a more intense tackling penalty on our secondary due to the natural alignment.   This was not a response to a single game, or really even a particular season.   

 

I want to know your thought process here. How does 4-2 personnel "put a more intense tackling penalty on our secondary" than 4-3 personnel?

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2 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:

Well, looking to the future, if they’re going to continue with this scheme, they need to look at drafting a big safety like Kam Chancellor. (6-3, 225). who could be a fast big hitting college linebacker.

 

They did. His name is Matt Milano.

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26 minutes ago, Turf Toejam 34 said:

Just a thought---the lack of heavy back side personnel is going to cause injuries----Poyer---Hyde---etc.   

 

McD's defense puts a heavy load on non-LB's to support in run defense.    There is no doubt in my mind that this exposes both the CBs and safeties to play a larger role in run support and puts them in a position where they are putting themselves in situations to get injured.   

 

If the team is totally committed to this fact, then I'm okay with it, but it will mean that we will need a steady supply of replacements.   

 

The personnel on the field has nothing to do with their role in run support. The scheme/offensive formation dictates that.

[Are they over-coaching Allen?]

5 minutes ago, hemma said:

I know you are a Coach and undoubtedly spot small stuff - Have you noticed anything different in his mechanics?

Everyone since Baltimore has played really wide high box players (edge rushers), but since KC Josh has been reluctant to step up into the pocket that is being given to him. He’s throwing off his back foot a lot more. Everything else mechanically has looked normal.

[Are they over-coaching Allen?]

Allen hasn’t been stepping up into the pocket since the KC game.

[WR2/SLOT & Allen/Dorsey]

4 minutes ago, SCBills said:

If someone doesn’t believe this is worthy of its own thread, feel free to merge. 
 

A lot of talk about the passing game and Allen/Dorsey. 
 

We have no move the chain passing game.   How many teams do you see out there, with functioning offenses, that don’t have a slot or tight end to move the chains?

 

Dorsey is calling games like Madden.  Deep shots or check downs to RB’s.  
 

Why?  Is Dorsey a 15 year old with an XBox?  Did Allen forget how to throw short/intermediate?  
 

(Hopefully) No and No.  I know this because Allen will throw chain movers to Diggs. 
 

The loss of a Cole Beasley type safety blanket looms large, it seems. 
 

Davis is a deep threat who has not shown a development into WR2 route tree capability.  
 

Knox has been blocking, a lot, and also has been going through the loss of his brother. 
 

Shakir is a rookie and they don’t trust him yet.  
 

McKenzie is not a full time slot WR.  Experiment failed. Halfway through the season.  Big enough sample size, and I’m of the impression Allen doesn’t trust him on hot/tight routes. 
 

Allen didn’t forget how to throw chain movers.  I don’t think Dorsey is an idiotic Madden play caller.  
 

We. Don’t. Have. The. Dudes.  
 

We weren’t coughing up picks for Claypool or Cooks, so we traded a pick for a RB that Beane talked about as a slot WR in his presser. 
 

Teams have keyed on Diggs and Davis. Bracket Diggs and put your CB1 on Davis.   They know we don’t have a running game that we’ll stick with, and nobody is currently worried about McKenzie, Knox, Shakir or a RB. 
 

We have a Jimmy’s and Joe’s problem right now more than an X’s and O’s one. 
 

 

I dunno, I saw multiple times today that Allen had an underneath route wide open and he chose to push the ball downfield instead. That one that was thrown way behind Diggs late in the game on a 2nd down that almost got picked off was one of them. It's frustrating to watch.